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Posted: 5/9/2002 2:20:55 PM EDT
I have handguns, shotguns, AK's, AR's, SKS's and Mini's for work starting in the 0-200 yd range. When going past that I would probably grab my M1 Garand, which is my only battle rifle. For more precise shots I have dressed up a Winchester Model 70 .270 rifle for this role. I have added a Bell and Carlson kevlar and fiberglass stock which allows the barrel to free float......done some minor trigger work...installed a Harris bipod.....and topped it off with a Simmons 44 Mag 3.5-10 X 44mm scope since I don't have the time to learn or money for $1,000 dollar mil-dot scopes. It shoots very tight groups, the action is slick and I feed it Federal Premium 130 gr. BTSP loads. I know most people like the .308 but I find the .270 a very flat shooting round and prefer it for shooting out to the max range I need......400 yds. I have the rifle zeroed 3 inches high at 100 yds so I can take advantage of dead on aiming out to about my max range of 400 yds. What do you folks think about this set-up and what rifles and loads do you like? Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 2:25:39 PM EDT
M1A is mine past 400m, AR for 0m to 400m.
GG
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 2:53:22 PM EDT
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.

Link Posted: 5/9/2002 3:09:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.




I'm hyperventilating.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 3:18:25 PM EDT
The .270 gets my nod also. Mine's a Ruger M77 with a Weaver 2.5X7 wide-view. Honestly haven't shot at anything over maybe 325 yards. Currently suits my needs, but I'm about to aquire a 30-06 and plan to see what it can do in the 400 yard department.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 3:25:46 PM EDT
The only reason the .308 causes such a stiffy is cause the military uses it, the military uses it cause they don't know better(also the can't us expanding point ammo) the .308 with boat tail match 168grain ammo provides wonderful accuracy while leaving less in the terminal ballistics dept. I think the .270 is a wonderful choice sine we don't have to follow any convention rules amount ammo.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 3:56:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.




Will you marry me?
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:05:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 4:12:06 PM EDT by Wadman]


Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:07:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 4:09:35 PM EDT by schapman43]
The 308 can be a very effective round out to 1000 yards. My load using a 175gr Sierra MK BTHP stays subsonic out past 1200 yards. I have a 700VS in 308, and a Sendero in 300 win mag on the way.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:08:33 PM EDT
AR-10(T) in .308 and I have ArmaLite's new AR-30 bolt-gun in .300 WinMag on order.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:11:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By schapman43:
My load using a 175gr Sierra MK BTHP stays subsonic out past 1200 yards.



It stays subsonic out to 1200? That's an interesting load.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:17:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tatjana:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.

...snip...



Will you marry me?



---> ---->

I guess my Rem 700 .308 just doesn't hold a candle to an HK. hehehehe
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:22:25 PM EDT
Barrett M95 .50 BMG
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 4:24:12 PM EDT
Mine is a Remington model 700 synthetic in .270 Lots of people like the round, and you can count me as one. Just has a cheap-0 Bushnell 3-9x on it right now (terrible field of view) but that'll change soon.

-Gloftoe
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:10:51 PM EDT
Many of you folks shoot far better and more often than I do but I'm always curious about various distance claims.
My personal 'opinion' (that's opinion and not facts) indicate the following:
.223 - about 400 yards
.308 - about 700 yards
.300 WinMag - about 1000 yards
.338 Lapua - about 1200 yards
.408 - Beats the heck out of me but probably good to at least 2500 yards
.50 cal - I don't have a clue

Other opinions ? Facts would probably be alright too !
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:14:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 5:15:31 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:37:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tatjana:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.




Will you marry me?




DAMN! I need to buy one of those!!!!
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:38:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 5:39:03 PM EDT by cnatra]

I've got a Winchester M70 Laredo .300 WinMag

and a Savage 10FP .308 and a couple DSA FAL's
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:02:11 PM EDT
For medium to long distance work, I love my Stoner SR-25 RAS Match. It's just a beautiful weapon. It has a 24" Obermeyer Military Match bbl, and shoots .25" groups at 100 yards. It's a 7.62 NATO. I usually stick with match-grade 168gr sierra match king bthp (suggested by manufacturer).
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:16:10 PM EDT
I use a Rem 700 with a 24" barrel in .308 with 175 SMKs in tactical matches where we shoot from 200 yards out to 1000 yards. I am still working on load developement so haven't yet been real accurate at 900 and 1000. BUT...

One of the guys who consistently finishes in the top 5 also uses a .308 - in a 22" barrel!, and his rounds are still supersonic at 1000.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:21:22 PM EDT
100-200yards: AR-15,16" pre-ban M4gery. 100-400 new SPR being built now on Stoner SR-15 Match rifle.
100-600 yards: M24 SWS in .308



300-1000 yards: M40A3 in .300 Win-Mag

Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:21:49 PM EDT
I use a Remington 700 VLS in .308 for the long range stuff. It shoots further than I do but I working on it. I know there are better rounds but .308 is cheap shooting and I get sub-moa with Portuguese or Radway Green.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:23:06 PM EDT
Sure would suck to have the bench right next to that cinderblock wall. The rounds would bounce right back at you.

M16 for short range
M14 for more distance
M1 Garand for a little more
AR50 for extreme distance 1000+ yards.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:26:23 PM EDT
I must be psychic or is that psychotic, I dont remember what the doc said.
Anyway I had independently come to the conclusion that I am VERY interested in a Winchester Coyote in the new .270 WSM and here we are with several votes for the standard .270.
I dont want to lug around some heavy ass "sniper" rifle that looks cool, and I DO like the M1A but I want a medium weight bolt gun with a barrel somewhere between a standard and bull, chambered in something better (IMO) than .308 but not bone jarring in a 9ish pound rifle like I hear a .300 Win Mag is. Not to mention its versatile enough to use on coyotes and such. At least thats what I was thinking. I probably wont do more than punch holes in paper but it seems to have more potential and still is probably 1" MOA or close. I just wish it did come in a black stock. Hell I cant even find out if they are available yet.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:29:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:37:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 6:40:12 PM EDT by Wadman]

Originally Posted By 7:
Sure would suck to have the bench right next to that cinderblock wall. The rounds would bounce right back at you.



Actually, the brass gets deflected forward of the bench. The Shrubby FAL ejects them forward anyway.

Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:40:55 PM EDT
Husqvarna Sporter (Mauser 98 w/ 24" lightweight barrel). Shoots 1/4 inch 3 shots at 100 yards, but that thin tube starts moving after that. Special load my grandfather developed for 800 yard high power-scoots a 165 BT out at 2950 fps...kicks like a 300 win mag for some reason...

Nick
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:46:45 PM EDT
Man... lets get a little velocity going here. What happened to the theory that speed kills...
Rem 700 floated and bedded, Jewell triger, lugs lapped, Vais magnum brake in a 300 rem ultra mag. I know this isn't "boltgun.com", but for seriously long work, wouldn't you rather have a good solid bolt gun? Don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to start arguements. My Bushy is one of my favorite weapons, the one I probably carry most. But,if the distance is long, and what I'm shootin' at needs to be hit hard the first time....gimme a bolt.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:55:02 PM EDT
Here is my list:
AR15 20" Heavy Barrel in a Colt Delta configuration.
My Bushmaster Variminter Rifle. I just got it and I need to test it.
HK91
M1903A3
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:05:38 PM EDT
FN Ultima Ratio Intervention in 300WSM, or Accuracy International AWM in 338 Lapua. Scoped with Nightforce NSX.

To go even further, Accuracy International AW50, or FN Hecate II in 50Cal. Again a nice Nightforce NSX to round out the package.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:15:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wadman:

Originally Posted By 7:
Sure would suck to have the bench right next to that cinderblock wall. The rounds would bounce right back at you.



Actually, the brass gets deflected forward of the bench. The Shrubby FAL ejects them forward anyway.




I couldn't use that bench. First I'm a lefty. Second, my AR50's concussion would bounce off the wall and make my eyeballs explode.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:19:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 7:23:38 PM EDT by LARRYG]
I just have this lowly Savage 110FP in .30-06 with a BSA scope and a Choate Ultimate Sniper stock

and these 3 lowly Garands (the one with the scope has match barrel and op rod)



with which to reach out and touch someone.

Of course, I have ARs for up close and personal.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:36:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wadman:

Originally Posted By schapman43:
My load using a 175gr Sierra MK BTHP stays subsonic out past 1200 yards.



It stays subsonic out to 1200? That's an interesting load.



DOH!! I'm guessing you all caught what I was trying to say. SUBsonic, SUPERsonic, its all the same right?
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:40:54 PM EDT
Check out

http://www.snipercentral.com/index.phtml

Some interesting info here.

Scroll down to Equipment and click sniper rifles.
It might not be exactly what you are looking for, but it will make you want to spend some hard earned coin. If I remember correctly, the Tango 51 shoots 1/16 MOA at 100 yards.

ARH
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 8:31:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
I just have this lowly Savage 110FP in .30-06 with a BSA scope and a Choate Ultimate Sniper stock

What model BSA is that, and how do you like it? They're Chinese, aren't they? How's it hold up?
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 8:35:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coltshorty14:
The only reason the .308 causes such a stiffy is cause the military uses it, the military uses it cause they don't know better(also the can't us expanding point ammo) the .308 with boat tail match 168grain ammo provides wonderful accuracy while leaving less in the terminal ballistics dept. I think the .270 is a wonderful choice sine we don't have to follow any convention rules amount ammo.



I agree 100%. We don't have to use FMJ only so we can use smaller calibers which stay supersonic longer.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 8:50:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 8:52:38 PM EDT by Tall_Shadow]


Can You say 650 grains of diplomacy?

Tall Shadow


{edited cause I'm new to the picture thing.......and a bonehead sometimes
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 9:04:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DarkHelmet:

Originally Posted By tatjana:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:
I make due with this, but it's out of steam at about 800-1000.

...snip...



Will you marry me?



---> ---->

I guess my Rem 700 .308 just doesn't hold a candle to an HK. hehehehe



In a world of compromise, some don't.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 10:35:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 10:36:20 PM EDT by FNC80]
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 11:03:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 11:04:24 PM EDT by cnatra]

Originally Posted By ARH:
Check out
www.snipercentral.com/index.phtml

Link Posted: 5/10/2002 12:35:26 PM EDT
This is my little long range gun, at a hundred, it can print a 1/2 MOA with surplus ammo.



Rem 700 VSS with 20 inch barrel, and customized trigger, AICS chassis stock, Leupold M3 long range tactical, and ARMS ring and GG&G mount.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 12:54:43 PM EDT
CitadelGrad,

I think I wet myself.

Your a lucky man.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 1:27:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2002 10:03:13 PM EDT by Waverunner]
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 3:00:35 PM EDT
I realy enjoy my STG58
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 3:25:20 PM EDT
Remington Sendero, originally in 300 Win Mag, rebarreled to 30-338, action trued, action actually bedded square to aluminum posts in stock and topped with a Nightforce 12x42 that has been lapped into Badger rings. Works extremely well with 190 grain Seirra bullets. For real fun I have 585 Nayti on a CZ action. Yeah I know that a 50 BMG is better but try firing a 750 grain bullet at 2400 fps from a 13 pound, shoulder held rifle.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 3:44:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 5:43:30 PM EDT
Mine, Mine!!!

other shots here
community.webshots.com/user/dennismuldrew
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 6:16:52 PM EDT
Dennis....sweeeeeet. I knew there was a bunch of "bolt people" hiding out there. It's nice to see the pictures of the gear everyone's shooting. Sort of like show & tell. Dennis, what have you brought to share with us today!
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 6:33:35 PM EDT
Long range - Steyr/McMillan SSG .308 with Premier Reticle 6.5x20x50 long range tactical scope.

Medium range - Colt CR6724 with 4x12x56 Microdot scope

Short range - ..........You Know
Link Posted: 5/11/2002 3:51:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FNC80:
Here's mine:

www.members.cox.net/fnc80/m24.html





FNC80, nice looking stick. Who built it?
Link Posted: 5/11/2002 4:20:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2002 4:22:22 PM EDT by garheadjr]
Here's mine....it's only .243, and I have only taken it to 650 yds. I do run some wicked little handloads through it that are pushing a nosler balistic tip at almost 4,000 fps.

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