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Well, I have seen them used to stop a car before...maybe not a DD, but a Dangerous Device.
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Delete my phone number
Throw it away in your garbage at 10:32PM CST tonight. Thanks |
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Pop that sucker off and video it. Give them the expended cartridge.
ETA, get a receipt, because I think they are wrong. |
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Better yet, when you see them drive up: "Hey y'all, the place you're looking for is over here!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pop that sucker off and video it. Give them the expended cartridge. ETA, get a receipt, because I think they are wrong. Better yet, when you see them drive up: "Hey y'all, the place you're looking for is over here!" This. |
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Dot explosive hazzard class. HE would be D or E View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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1.2 G Tell them to pound sand. You fired it last night. What's that mean? Dot explosive hazzard class. HE would be D or E Uh, no. The letter represent compatibility. The first 1 is Class. The second number, in this case a 2, is Division. 1.2 is a mass fragmenting device. In this case, the correct designation is 1.2.2 G for M992 |
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Contact a 2A attorney and surrender the device under protest.
Or fire it off tonight. On video. Your call. |
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Better call Nolo. He needs another NFA case going concurrently with his other two.
Paging Nolo to the white phone. |
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and you lost it when...... wow freely giving it up.........turn in man card
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You first... If it were me I wouldn't be poking the bear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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1.2 G Tell them to pound sand. You fired it last night. You first... If it were me I wouldn't be poking the bear. After working with eod every work day for the past 8 years, they are not getting the round. |
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should have given them a really vuage adress and told them to call you when close, then with them close and on the phone, "Here, I'll pop a flare so you can find me easier" *poop*.
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Quoted: should have given them a really vuage adress and told them to call you when close, then with them close and on the phone, "Here, I'll pop a flare so you can find me easier" *poop*. View Quote |
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After working with eod every work day for the past 8 years, they are not getting the round. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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1.2 G Tell them to pound sand. You fired it last night. You first... If it were me I wouldn't be poking the bear. After working with eod every work day for the past 8 years, they are not getting the round. Like I said you first... |
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googled and found a patent for an IR flare round, nitrocellulose, nitro glycerin, lots of other nasty stuff as well. If yours is made the same way, I could see how it could be considered an explosive round, and a DD if the weight of the flare was heavy enough to be over whatever is the cut off.
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googled and found a patent for an IR flare round, nitrocellulose, nitro glycerin, lots of other nasty stuff as well. If yours is made the same way, I could see how it could be considered an explosive round, and a DD if the weight of the flare was heavy enough to be over whatever is the cut off. View Quote You know most common propellants used today are double based propellants with nitrocellulose and nitro glycerin. It's not HE. It doesn't matter what they think dot rules it's illum/1.3G it's 1.3G |
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Quoted: You know most common propellants used today are double based propellants with nitrocellulose and nitro glycerin. It's not HE. It doesn't matter what they think dot rules it's illum/1.3G it's 1.3G View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: googled and found a patent for an IR flare round, nitrocellulose, nitro glycerin, lots of other nasty stuff as well. If yours is made the same way, I could see how it could be considered an explosive round, and a DD if the weight of the flare was heavy enough to be over whatever is the cut off. You know most common propellants used today are double based propellants with nitrocellulose and nitro glycerin. It's not HE. It doesn't matter what they think dot rules it's illum/1.3G it's 1.3G I also know that if I load a projectile with double based propellants over a certain amount that it's bad juju. Notice in my statement, I was strictly speaking of the composition of the flare itself. Just because it's not HE doesn't mean a thing. Also, saying "it doesn't matter what the ATF" thinks, and stating that the DOT determines what the ATF can enforce is RIDICULOUS. |
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Seems to me consumer fireworks mortars would also be subject to confiscation under that determination.
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You know most common propellants used today are double based propellants with nitrocellulose and nitro glycerin. It's not HE. It doesn't matter what they think dot rules it's illum/1.3G it's 1.3G View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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googled and found a patent for an IR flare round, nitrocellulose, nitro glycerin, lots of other nasty stuff as well. If yours is made the same way, I could see how it could be considered an explosive round, and a DD if the weight of the flare was heavy enough to be over whatever is the cut off. You know most common propellants used today are double based propellants with nitrocellulose and nitro glycerin. It's not HE. It doesn't matter what they think dot rules it's illum/1.3G it's 1.3G Pls stop posting inaccurate information. It has a bearing on the discussion of this topic. Thanks. |
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The irony to this is that once the ATF agent orders you to forfeit your property, he'll put it in the back seat or trunk of his car and drive off, violating the same transportation & storage laws and regulations that were the reason for taking it in the first place. But that's OK, because 18 USC 845(a)(3) and 27 CFR 555.141(a)(3) says that they are better then us and don't have to abide by the same rules. As usual, some pigs are more equal then others.
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The dealer just sent me a copy of the letter he received. Seems to me by ATF "logic" they could consider all 40mm ammo "low explosive" <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter2.jpg</a> View Quote Yep, it sure does sound like they are trying to regulate all 40mm ammo out of existence. I'm sure that they will go after the regular colored parachute flares next, and then the blue plastic M781 chalk rounds after that. Going after ammo seems to be ATF's new tactic, 7N6, M855....can't ban the guns? Ban the ammo. |
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The dealer just sent me a copy of the letter he received. Seems to me by ATF "logic" they could consider all 40mm ammo "low explosive" <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter2.jpg</a> View Quote If people would just stop asking the ATF things... ![]() |
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The dealer just sent me a copy of the letter he received. Seems to me by ATF "logic" they could consider all 40mm ammo "low explosive" <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter1-1.jpg</a> <a href="http://s887.photobucket.com/user/txmod1911/media/40mmM992letter2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/txmod1911/40mmM992letter2.jpg</a> View Quote or maybe even European military surplus 26.5mm (1") flares ![]() ![]() |
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I know I'm not saying anything new here, but I have a white hot hate for the ATF.
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What distinguishes this flare round (aside from the fact that it is IR) from other flare rounds that would be fired from a flare gun?
![]() I truly don't know, so this may be an obvious question. ![]() |
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What distinguishes this flare round (aside from the fact that it is IR) from other flare rounds that would be fired from a flare gun? ![]() I truly don't know, so this may be an obvious question. ![]() View Quote DOT Hazard Class. |
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The irony to this is that once the ATF agent orders you to forfeit your property, he'll put it in the back seat or trunk of his car and drive off, violating the same transportation & storage laws and regulations that were the reason for taking it in the first place. But that's OK, because 18 USC 845(a)(3) and 27 CFR 555.141(a)(3) says that they are better then us and don't have to abide by the same rules. As usual, some pigs are more equal then others. View Quote Maybe you missed the mention of the bomb squad. When they came and took out black powder they called bomb disposal. Poor bastards were embarrassed to carry that cardboard box out but when the atf man calls you answer. |
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