Thought it was barrett or somebody? I swear they had a prototype with all the us parts needed etc.?
Anyone remember what happened with this?

I could be worng, but I thought there was a few pictures of the 2003 or 2004 SHOT SHOW with a woman from Barret Firearms with a TAVOR bullpup.

Barret was, but it fell through. I don't remember why.

From what I understand, they were going to make the whole thing here. That way, Israel could use US aid money to buy it.

Quoted: I could be worng, but I thought there was a few pictures of the 2003 or 2004 SHOT SHOW with a woman from Barret Firearms with a TAVOR bullpup.

Shot Show 2002

Sweet looking little rifle.

Quoted: Sweet looking little rifle.

I think its ugly but I would still love to have one.  Like it better like this.





I think it is the same as the Galil Israel gets guns for free from U.S. so they do not need to produce it and it is not a seller elsewhere.  If the FOPA and 89 EO were removed these things would come in floods.

Also Barret would have overpriced it big time, need another importer.  Is that Shot Show pic a post/during Ban model?

Indian Special Forces just purchased a large quantity of the Tavor to replace the locally produced INAS rifle.

Tavor in US is like the talk of Steyr AUGA3, SIG 55x...list go on and on.....

I don't see how anyone gets comfortable w/ bullpups, especially w/  body armor, unless you have gorilla arms.

The LOP on that thing has to be outrageous!

I'd still like to see them on the market though.

The AUGA3 is now available on preorder from impactguns.  It says available 1st qtr of 2006.

first i am hearing of this.....

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It was supposed to be produced by Barrett. They couldn't come to an agreement on licsensing from the Izzy's. Deal went sour.

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Mee too...heard rumors but (from link from) forums.impactguns.com/showthread.php?s=98ab8f1bbb092c3bba5725f4bb7c59a8&t=271

Price: $1,567.99 Manufacturer: Steyr Manufacturer Item #: AUG-SA-16 Impact Item #: STEYR-AUGA3-16 Out of stock: Available '06 Accepting orders. [Add to Cart] [View Cart] Related Items: • Steyr AUG Stock Assembly to convert to M-16 Mags $379.99 [Add to Cart] MIAMI BEACH: STEYR ARMS, INC. introduces its new 5.56 mm AUG A3 modular weapon system at the 2005 IACP convention to the US and international law enforcement community. According to Karl Walter, CEO of STEYR ARMS, INC., "The AUG A3 is the result of Steyr's continuous development of the AUG A1 and A2, which have been in use with numerous US and international security forces since 1977". The new STEYR AUG A3 features a number of Picatinny rails (Mil-STD. 1913), which allows for the quick and easy mounting of various accessories, such as a grenade launcher, illumination and target acquisition devices, including a variety of optics and night vision devices, as well as training and recording devices. The AUG's "Bull Pup" design shortens the overall length by approx. 14", when comparing it to conventional weapon designs, without compormising barrel length and designed energy levels of various ammunition types. In essence, the AUG A3 provides high mobility qualities in confined quarters, fastest target acquistion accurate shot placement. It is available in various configurations, as well as in a selective fire version for police and military use. 16" bullpup, 1.5x integrated optic, black stock and 20 rnd mag.

What optics are on the tavor fired by the man in digi camo?  Man I want a Tavor bad, and not the barrett one, looks like a steaming pile of dog squeeze.

the israelis don't particularly like the m16.  they only use it because it is essentially free.  the galil was designed to counter many of the shortcomings of the various european and american rifles--they like to jam in the sand.  the galil was the answer as it fired standard nato ammo but was much like an ak as far as reliability.  

they have also realized the need for a bullpup rifle in that much of the actions they are involved in are urban or indoors.  therefore they have designed a weapon taht will function flawlessly in the sand and is compact enough for their needs.  iirc they are using a very nifty red-dot sight as a permanent sight as opposed to ironsights.

With the mag block to take M-16 mags, that is a sweet set up...........I was going with an Arsenal stamped 5.56 rifle, but I might just have to have one of these now

Quoted: Quoted: first i am hearing of this..... tag Mee too...heard rumors but (from link from) forums.impactguns.com/showthread.php?s=98ab8f1bbb092c3bba5725f4bb7c59a8&t=271 Price: $1,567.99 Manufacturer: Steyr Manufacturer Item #: AUG-SA-16 Impact Item #: STEYR-AUGA3-16 Out of stock: Available '06 Accepting orders. [Add to Cart] [View Cart] Related Items: • Steyr AUG Stock Assembly to convert to M-16 Mags $379.99 [Add to Cart] MIAMI BEACH: STEYR ARMS, INC. introduces its new 5.56 mm AUG A3 modular weapon system at the 2005 IACP convention to the US and international law enforcement community. According to Karl Walter, CEO of STEYR ARMS, INC., "The AUG A3 is the result of Steyr's continuous development of the AUG A1 and A2, which have been in use with numerous US and international security forces since 1977". The new STEYR AUG A3 features a number of Picatinny rails (Mil-STD. 1913), which allows for the quick and easy mounting of various accessories, such as a grenade launcher, illumination and target acquisition devices, including a variety of optics and night vision devices, as well as training and recording devices. The AUG's "Bull Pup" design shortens the overall length by approx. 14", when comparing it to conventional weapon designs, without compormising barrel length and designed energy levels of various ammunition types. In essence, the AUG A3 provides high mobility qualities in confined quarters, fastest target acquistion accurate shot placement. It is available in various configurations, as well as in a selective fire version for police and military use. 16" bullpup, 1.5x integrated optic, black stock and 20 rnd mag.

Quoted: Quoted: I could be worng, but I thought there was a few pictures of the 2003 or 2004 SHOT SHOW with a woman from Barret Firearms with a TAVOR bullpup. Shot Show 2002

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In the bull pup config. is that a 16" brl. ?

I have never been able to understand why a bullpup is any good in a combat type activity, OR house to house clearing activities. You can shoot it from one side only, what good is that if you want clear corners and such? Don't people shift right to left as they clear to keep their exposure limited? I cannot see using a one side only rifle. And yes I shoot both ways with a propensity to shoot handguns right handed and rifles left handed.

I believe some people like bullpup rifles to have AR power in a SMG size package. I believe it's just a case of different strokes for different folks kinda like why some people prefer Glocks to HK, Sig, or Beretta... or even AR15 to AK's, Sigs, HK, or any other rifle.

I hope they get the Tavor here somehow. They take the AR mags, and would be much cheaper than the AUG.
Agree that the original version looks better. Same with the AUGa1.

One of the great things about the bullpup for military is that its easier to fit them in APC and tanks than regular rifles and carbines. Also supposed to be easier to retain the weapon if someone is trying to grab it, which is good for cbq and police units.

Bullpups are way to get a longer barrell into a shorter package w/o violating the NFA (at least in America).

Saw the austrailian AUG that thing is the S***. The trigger wasnt clanky or anything. The austrailian guy that had it was telling me that they are very reliable even in the desert and they are completely modular. I watched as he pulled the barrel on and off. He said caliber conversion is real easy also.

Too bad bolt action AUGs are all that's legal down under anymore.

that lady is guilty of at least 2 unsafe weapon handling violation's, finger on trigger and pointing in unsafe direction

Quoted: the israelis don't particularly like the m16.  they only use it because it is essentially free.  the galil was designed to counter many of the shortcomings of the various european and american rifles--they like to jam in the sand.  the galil was the answer as it fired standard nato ammo but was much like an ak as far as reliability.   they have also realized the need for a bullpup rifle in that much of the actions they are involved in are urban or indoors.  therefore they have designed a weapon taht will function flawlessly in the sand and is compact enough for their needs.  iirc they are using a very nifty red-dot sight as a permanent sight as opposed to ironsights.

Sorry, Galil is issued to REMFs and other non frontline soldiers.  Israelis prefer the M16 sepcifically the M4 and Spec Forces love the Commandos.  Dont know where you got your info but its wrong. Tavor was also designed with BUIS.

Quoted: I have never been able to understand why a bullpup is any good in a combat type activity, OR house to house clearing activities. You can shoot it from one side only, what good is that if you want clear corners and such? Don't people shift right to left as they clear to keep their exposure limited? I cannot see using a one side only rifle. And yes I shoot both ways with a propensity to shoot handguns right handed and rifles left handed.

No most people do NOT shift left right clearing buildings who do it for a living.  Its much too slow and a bad practice in a dynamic environment.  Very easy to get caught mid transition. If you have time or know someone is around the corner then yes but usually its not done.  Also new bulpups like the P90 and F2000 can be fired from either shoulder.

Isreal was given large numbers of surplus American weapons ranging from WWII vintage to M14's and M16's. Israel still maintans a large stockpile of these weapons and many are still in active service with paramilitary security and police forces, not to mention civilians.The IDF has a very large variation of weapons with very little standarziation, until recently anyways... Israeli's seems to be quite fond of the M1 Carbine. They are very popular for use as PDW's by police and civilians. So much so that IMI has made updated the platform and even made micro Galils chambered for 7.62x33 .30 carbine which uses 30 round magazines and is employed by both police and the IDF.
1919A4's in 7.62 Nato are still used by some secondary units. M21's are widely used for the DMR role and standard M14's are still in service. I recently saw two IDF soldiers patroling with

M14's with selectors intact. Older M16 variants like the 653 and Commando are still in service and widely used. Israel seems to really like the 11.5 inch barrel length and issues them widely, sometimes even with scopes, usually the 4x20 Realist carry handle unit. The Galil is still used, but primarily in the SAR form by mechanized and artillery units. The Galatz is also used for the DMR role, but is less common than the M21. The IDF also uses Ruger 10/22's with suppresors and scopes to "intervene" in riots. Special and Elite units are well equipped with new weapons but there is a wide variety of weapons in use by everyone else. Israel is in the process of upgrading and standardizing with the M4 and others, including the Negev. Its doubtful that they will ever adopt the Tavor, at least any time soon. The Tavor will likely be nothing more than a footnote.
The United States does not just give Israel brand new M4's. They pay just like everyone else.
We haven't "given' them weapons since the 70's.

I have a friend who was in Lebanon when the Israelis came. Nobody was using M16's, they had long been ditched for AK47's. M16 is fine for executing old women and children in there houses and on the street though

Quoted: I have a friend who was in Lebanon when the Israelis came. Nobody was using M16's, they had long been ditched for AK47's. M16 is fine for executing old women and children in there houses and on the street though

I'm willing to bet those were Galils seen from a distance.

Yes at one point Barret was going to start importing them and the deal fell through. I contacted barret on it as I really really really want a Tavor.  I may still have the email someplace. I'll look for it.
I don't have the email anymore.

Actually, Israel has captured a substantial quantity of AK-47s and IDF soldiers can sometimes be seen with AK's. This is rare these days, but was a common occurance in the past. The Galil was never really liked, especially by soldeirs who remembered th punch of the FAL. The AK was a better fit for these soldiers and for those who have had to fire at vehicles with a 5.56....not useless, but not as good as a 7.62. The AK was also very popular because it always worked in the harsh desert conditions whereas the FAL did not. Another popular modification was to use the AKM underfolder on a 5.56 Galil AR. This is still seen every once in a while today....not sure why, considering the FN folder on the Galil is second only to that on the Sig 550. Most of the captured AK's have been run into the ground or have been replaced by M16's. However, Israel still maintains a large stockpile of AK's. If you see any soldier carrying an AK when he has access to an M16 or a Galil you know he is a moron. I guess Id like a little accuracy and more wounding power than a .38 Special which is why I will stick with an M16 or settle for a Galil. If you see an IDF soldier carrying a clearly defined AK, not a Galil with an underfolder, its likely that the picture was taken in the late eighties or earlier....