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Posted: 10/19/2016 12:56:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/19/2016 1:04:56 PM EDT by pgaplayerless]
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/591599295


I noticed the listing and call them on the phone inquiring about the bolt because it looked like a standard SCW bolt. While on the phone they tried all sorts of rounds, none chambered. They states they "will look into it" and took the auction down.

I kept in communication with them telling them which parts are unique Polish modified parts and asked for pictures. They asked me for an offer, so I made one based on buying as "wall hanger" with incorrect and missing parts since at that point I have no ideal what it lacks of if it is still chambered in 8mm.

After couple of days, first email I got was as follows with picture of the bolt attached here too:

",The bolt conversion is not hard to do,took me two hours and no heat needed.I think I did it just as my cousins would have(I am 34% Polish!).I will continue with the conversion and test fire the weapon,but there will be no Polish stamps"

I told them that is not the proper way the Poles done the conversion and either will this "reporoduction" affect the collectible value in a good way.

I them process to push them for picture of the magazine housing as well as the follower. To that I received the following reply and pictures also show here:

"here you are.8mm will not fit a standard 7.62X54R mag and it looks like tey just expanded it to fit and opened up the wood.Thanks,Dan"

Instantly, they are caught in a lie. A very easy comparison of the old auction pictures vs the pictures they sent showes they beat the magazine housing open, in similar fashion as Bannerman or Blindee conversion, and then cut a relief in the ORIGINAL stock to make this humped magazine fit.

So this should be a warning to all collectors to steer away from Pasadena Pawn as they are dishonest pricks.

*****Feel free to cross post it on any other forum to prevent people from getting burned on 4 figure mosin****

The "F.L.P Riga" itself might be faked give in the original listing they pushed for the story behind it's meaning and the fact they "lied" directly to my face.



Here is the "original" magazine pictures from the auction:





Here is after they beat on it and claims "poles did it:







And now the original stock they chopped the magwell on to get the bubba mag to fit:





Picture of the bolt they quickly reworked to make it appear as original:












Link Posted: 10/23/2016 3:05:05 PM EDT
i live 10 minutes from these fuck stains and refuse to stop in there anyore
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 10:14:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2016 10:18:43 PM EDT by pgaplayerless]
Well in what turned out to be an odd twist, I own this gun now.

After these guys insisted couple of times that "they only modified the bolt", I finally decided to call them out by sending them their own pictures back with the comment to review these pictures carefully before commenting further and warned them that their conduct will be exposed on forum that collectors frequent.

They instantly pulled the auction and sent me a lame reply that they decided to keep it as "display item" and won't be available to purchase "for anymore"...."good conversation piece" blah blah

But roughly 1.5 hours later they followed up with another email claiming that after "talking it over with the boss" they decided it's "too ugly" of a gun to be displayed and I can have it is I pay shipping.

Not wanting to have them spring this gun on unsuspecting buyer, I took them up on the offer and the gun arrived today. Still have to write them the check for the postage.

Luckily, the mag well they messed up was not actually Pole modified one so it will get clamped back into the original shape.


Big warning here is that these guys are 07 FFL (manufacturers) so that is why they were so quick at making fake parts and trying to pass them off as the real thing.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 11:17:53 PM EDT
I don't understand these posts.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 11:42:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2016 11:43:15 PM EDT by K1rodeoboater]
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Originally Posted By GNRNR:
I don't understand these posts.
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From my understanding of it.....

OP finds auction for a "rare" 8mm polish converted Mosin and asks seller for more info and pics. Seller is wishy washy and sends pics and info showing/admitting they bubba'd the gun themselves and that it's really just a bubba smithed MN they're trying to pass off as a "rare" gun. OP calls them out, they backpedal and pull the ad. The seller then comes back a short while later and offers the gun for the price of shipping to the OP, the OP takes the offer. /thread.

OP...so does it sport an 8mm barrel or not?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 7:34:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2016 7:38:22 AM EDT by pgaplayerless]
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Originally Posted By K1rodeoboater:


From my understanding of it.....

OP finds auction for a "rare" 8mm polish converted Mosin and asks seller for more info and pics. Seller is wishy washy and sends pics and info showing/admitting they bubba'd the gun themselves and that it's really just a bubba smithed MN they're trying to pass off as a "rare" gun. OP calls them out, they backpedal and pull the ad. The seller then comes back a short while later and offers the gun for the price of shipping to the OP, the OP takes the offer. /thread.


OP...so does it sport an 8mm barrel or not?
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Originally Posted By K1rodeoboater:
Originally Posted By GNRNR:
I don't understand these posts.


From my understanding of it.....

OP finds auction for a "rare" 8mm polish converted Mosin and asks seller for more info and pics. Seller is wishy washy and sends pics and info showing/admitting they bubba'd the gun themselves and that it's really just a bubba smithed MN they're trying to pass off as a "rare" gun. OP calls them out, they backpedal and pull the ad. The seller then comes back a short while later and offers the gun for the price of shipping to the OP, the OP takes the offer. /thread.


OP...so does it sport an 8mm barrel or not?


Yes, the barreled action and many of the parts are geniune Polish wz91/98/26. But it was missing several important Polish modified parts that the seller bubba'ed themselves and tried to pass off on me as geniune.

I sent him numerous emails trying to find out which parts are correct Polish parts since a lot of time these guns are missing the unique parts which affect value. I even sent him pictures of what the parts should look like( I have two of these guns already). And well instead of them telling me that that's not what the gun has, they decided to fabricate copies themselves and try to fool me with them.

The bolt is not geniune and looks to be SCW era Izhevsk that was completely "standard" before the seller mocked it up after they couldn't get it to work with any ammo while I was on the phone with them. . Same story for the magazine housing, nice standard imperial era housing that they mocked up.

Barreled Action and stock set are vintage though they hacked it up a little to make the fake mag housing fit. The 2 piece ejector/mag disconnector is geniune. The follower assembly appears to be polish modified as well.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 9:06:45 AM EDT
These are the guns the Poles modified to use German ammo so the Germans would have extra rifles after the Poles surrendered?
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 9:42:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2016 9:42:36 AM EDT by pgaplayerless]
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
These are the guns the Poles modified to use German ammo so the Germans would have extra rifles after the Poles surrendered?
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No, not exactly. These are Interwar period modifications. Made in the middle 1920s when Poles gained independence and decided to re-arm into Mauser systems and the 8mm caliber as standard caliber.

With having bunch of Mosin left from WWI, they covered bunch of them so they use the new standard caliber.

This particular example appears to have been captured and processed through a German repair depot during WWII, thanks to the "FLP Riga" arc etching on the top of the receiver which the seller incorrectly stated as belonging to Latvian firefighter unit.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 10:36:52 AM EDT
The skill and knowledge here always amazes me.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 10:55:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pgaplayerless:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/591599295


I noticed the listing and call them on the phone inquiring about the bolt because it looked like a standard SCW bolt. While on the phone they tried all sorts of rounds, none chambered. They states they "will look into it" and took the auction down.

I kept in communication with them telling them which parts are unique Polish modified parts and asked for pictures. They asked me for an offer, so I made one based on buying as "wall hanger" with incorrect and missing parts since at that point I have no ideal what it lacks of if it is still chambered in 8mm.

After couple of days, first email I got was as follows with picture of the bolt attached here too:

",The bolt conversion is not hard to do,took me two hours and no heat needed.I think I did it just as my cousins would have(I am 34% Polish!).I will continue with the conversion and test fire the weapon,but there will be no Polish stamps"

I told them that is not the proper way the Poles done the conversion and either will this "reporoduction" affect the collectible value in a good way.

I them process to push them for picture of the magazine housing as well as the follower. To that I received the following reply and pictures also show here:

"here you are.8mm will not fit a standard 7.62X54R mag and it looks like tey just expanded it to fit and opened up the wood.Thanks,Dan"

Instantly, they are caught in a lie. A very easy comparison of the old auction pictures vs the pictures they sent showes they beat the magazine housing open, in similar fashion as Bannerman or Blindee conversion, and then cut a relief in the ORIGINAL stock to make this humped magazine fit.

So this should be a warning to all collectors to steer away from Pasadena Pawn as they are dishonest pricks.

*****Feel free to cross post it on any other forum to prevent people from getting burned on 4 figure mosin****

The "F.L.P Riga" itself might be faked give in the original listing they pushed for the story behind it's meaning and the fact they "lied" directly to my face.



Here is the "original" magazine pictures from the auction:
<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/pix706590138_zpseomb7cos.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/pix706590138_zpseomb7cos.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/pix534800632_zpsgbwb3uos.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/pix534800632_zpsgbwb3uos.jpg</a>


Here is after they beat on it and claims "poles did it:
<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/polemag%20002_zpsrxzitkei.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/polemag%20002_zpsrxzitkei.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/polemag%20003_zpsd0uszxh2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/polemag%20003_zpsd0uszxh2.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/polemag%20005_zpsgryb19oe.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/polemag%20005_zpsgryb19oe.jpg</a>


And now the original stock they chopped the magwell on to get the bubba mag to fit:

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/polemag%20006_zps57zru44p.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/polemag%20006_zps57zru44p.jpg</a>



Picture of the bolt they quickly reworked to make it appear as original:


<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/poleconv%20002_zpszifbjp27.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/poleconv%20002_zpszifbjp27.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/poleconv%20001_zpsisumkgrv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/poleconv%20001_zpsisumkgrv.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s628.photobucket.com/user/pgaplayerless/media/poleconv%20003_zpsk7kwi5xc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu4/pgaplayerless/poleconv%20003_zpsk7kwi5xc.jpg</a>





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Tagged for the after pics
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 1:27:57 PM EDT
^^^ not much will be changing any time soon. Geniune polish 8mm parts aren't easy to find but bubba'ed sporters do pop up from time to time.
Link Posted: 10/25/2016 5:51:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pgaplayerless:


No, not exactly. These are Interwar period modifications. Made in the middle 1920s when Poles gained independence and decided to re-arm into Mauser systems and the 8mm caliber as standard caliber.

With having bunch of Mosin left from WWI, they covered bunch of them so they use the new standard caliber.

This particular example appears to have been captured and processed through a German repair depot during WWII, thanks to the "FLP Riga" arc etching on the top of the receiver which the seller incorrectly stated as belonging to Latvian firefighter unit.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: These are the guns the Poles modified to use German ammo so the Germans would have extra rifles after the Poles surrendered?


No, not exactly. These are Interwar period modifications. Made in the middle 1920s when Poles gained independence and decided to re-arm into Mauser systems and the 8mm caliber as standard caliber.

With having bunch of Mosin left from WWI, they covered bunch of them so they use the new standard caliber.

This particular example appears to have been captured and processed through a German repair depot during WWII, thanks to the "FLP Riga" arc etching on the top of the receiver which the seller incorrectly stated as belonging to Latvian firefighter unit.


I think that's what I said. The Poles were looking forward.
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