so  yeah, took apart my V93 yesterday to clean it....

inside of reciever is not finished, just bare metal....and well, i see signs of surface rust starting to form!!!

not supposed to have that are of gun coated with oil, for functionality...so how do i prevent this?

are real HKs finished on the inside to prevent rust?  ive NEVER ran corrosive ammo in this thing...so..

im a bit pissed, its a $1200 rifle and its rusting from inside out.

Just ordered one of those myself. I plan on duracoating the inside or something. It should be parked first but what can you do......

Quoted: Just ordered one of those myself. I plan on duracoating the inside or something. It should be parked first but what can you do......

your in CA...how you plan on owning a V93

also how hard is it to duracoat it?

I need to save this in Word so I can just cut and paste this into every like inquiry. In CA one needs only to utilize a mag lock or, "Bullet Button" and a 10 round to be compliant. For all the liberated folk, a Bullet Button (BB) is a device that replaces the original magazine release button with a button where only the very center post of the release button can move in and out to release the mag. The net result is that you have to use a bullet point or sharp object to activate the button and release the mag. DOJ defines a fixed magazine as a magazine that requires a tool for removal from the offending weapon, and the BB satisfies this requirement. If you have a fixed mag, you can have as many "evil" features that you want as long as the rifle isn't specifically named on the ban list. Vectors and PTRs are not named, HKs however, are. That is what all the "off list" lower buisness is about. Since the BB is just an replacement magazine catch, no permanant modifications to the weapon are required, and therefore when you move out of CA, you can replace with the original parts. Same is true with XCRs, 556s and such. They are all "off list". LMT, Noveske, Stag, and etc.... AR lowers are all legal in CA, provided you keep them stripped or build them in a legal configuration. Vectors and PTRs can expediantly be made legal by removing the pistol gripped trigger housing.

I've got plenty of registered stuff that I can have fun with, all new stuff is just to stash while I can. Never know when the window is gonna close for us Californians.

Finally,,,,,, I've never used duracoat, but I'm sure that it's better than spray paint! Maybe I'll send it off ARS for refinish. I believe they are the ones doing good factory HK type finishes these days.

Quoted: I need to save this in Word so I can just cut and paste this into every like inquiry. In CA one needs only to utilize a mag lock or, "Bullet Button" and a 10 round to be compliant. For all the liberated folk, a Bullet Button (BB) is a device that replaces the original magazine release button with a button where only the very center post of the release button can move in and out to release the mag. The net result is that you have to use a bullet point or sharp object to activate the button and release the mag. DOJ defines a fixed magazine as a magazine that requires a tool for removal from the offending weapon, and the BB satisfies this requirement. If you have a fixed mag, you can have as many "evil" features that you want as long as the rifle isn't specifically named on the ban list. Vectors and PTRs are not named, HKs however, are. That is what all the "off list" lower buisness is about. Since the BB is just an replacement magazine catch, no permanant modifications to the weapon are required, and therefore when you move out of CA, you can replace with the original parts. Same is true with XCRs, 556s and such. They are all "off list". LMT, Noveske, Stag, and etc.... AR lowers are all legal in CA, provided you keep them stripped or build them in a legal configuration. Vectors and PTRs can expediantly be made legal by removing the pistol gripped trigger housing. I've got plenty of registered stuff that I can have fun with, all new stuff is just to stash while I can. Never know when the window is gonna close for us Californians. Finally,,,,,, I've never used duracoat, but I'm sure that it's better than spray paint! Maybe I'll send it off ARS for refinish. I believe they are the ones doing good factory HK type finishes these days.

so instead of having a rifle that looks like this




your CA compliant one probally ends up looking like...



poor poor 93...

tell me how its even functional without a pistol grip...unless you got one of those coat hanger type pistol grip stocks like ive seen on the AR abominations in CA

Quoted: Quoted: I need to save this in Word so I can just cut and paste this into every like inquiry. In CA one needs only to utilize a mag lock or, "Bullet Button" and a 10 round to be compliant. For all the liberated folk, a Bullet Button (BB) is a device that replaces the original magazine release button with a button where only the very center post of the release button can move in and out to release the mag. The net result is that you have to use a bullet point or sharp object to activate the button and release the mag. DOJ defines a fixed magazine as a magazine that requires a tool for removal from the offending weapon, and the BB satisfies this requirement. If you have a fixed mag, you can have as many "evil" features that you want as long as the rifle isn't specifically named on the ban list. Vectors and PTRs are not named, HKs however, are. That is what all the "off list" lower buisness is about. Since the BB is just an replacement magazine catch, no permanant modifications to the weapon are required, and therefore when you move out of CA, you can replace with the original parts. Same is true with XCRs, 556s and such. They are all "off list". LMT, Noveske, Stag, and etc.... AR lowers are all legal in CA, provided you keep them stripped or build them in a legal configuration. Vectors and PTRs can expediantly be made legal by removing the pistol gripped trigger housing. I've got plenty of registered stuff that I can have fun with, all new stuff is just to stash while I can. Never know when the window is gonna close for us Californians. Finally,,,,,, I've never used duracoat, but I'm sure that it's better than spray paint! Maybe I'll send it off ARS for refinish. I believe they are the ones doing good factory HK type finishes these days. so instead of having a rifle that looks like this www.internationalpolicesupply.net/hk33a2_s.jpg your CA compliant one probally ends up looking like... i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dieter122/hk33a2_sx.jpg poor poor 93... tell me how its even functional without a pistol grip...unless you got one of those coat hanger type pistol grip stocks like ive seen on the AR abominations in CA

That is not at all like he described the mod.  Why would anyone from NY even think that gun control is funny?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I need to save this in Word so I can just cut and paste this into every like inquiry. In CA one needs only to utilize a mag lock or, "Bullet Button" and a 10 round to be compliant. For all the liberated folk, a Bullet Button (BB) is a device that replaces the original magazine release button with a button where only the very center post of the release button can move in and out to release the mag. The net result is that you have to use a bullet point or sharp object to activate the button and release the mag. DOJ defines a fixed magazine as a magazine that requires a tool for removal from the offending weapon, and the BB satisfies this requirement. If you have a fixed mag, you can have as many "evil" features that you want as long as the rifle isn't specifically named on the ban list. Vectors and PTRs are not named, HKs however, are. That is what all the "off list" lower buisness is about. Since the BB is just an replacement magazine catch, no permanant modifications to the weapon are required, and therefore when you move out of CA, you can replace with the original parts. Same is true with XCRs, 556s and such. They are all "off list". LMT, Noveske, Stag, and etc.... AR lowers are all legal in CA, provided you keep them stripped or build them in a legal configuration. Vectors and PTRs can expediantly be made legal by removing the pistol gripped trigger housing. I've got plenty of registered stuff that I can have fun with, all new stuff is just to stash while I can. Never know when the window is gonna close for us Californians. Finally,,,,,, I've never used duracoat, but I'm sure that it's better than spray paint! Maybe I'll send it off ARS for refinish. I believe they are the ones doing good factory HK type finishes these days. so instead of having a rifle that looks like this www.internationalpolicesupply.net/hk33a2_s.jpg your CA compliant one probally ends up looking like... i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Dieter122/hk33a2_sx.jpg poor poor 93... tell me how its even functional without a pistol grip...unless you got one of those coat hanger type pistol grip stocks like ive seen on the AR abominations in CA That is not at all like he described the mod.  Why would anyone from NY even think that gun control is funny?

have you seen the ultra thin wannabe pistol grips for ARs that were made for CA people?  I am guessing no.

the mods are as pictured id imagine...probally a bare muzzle, or fixed MB.  low cap mag (10rnder or a blocked 30/40 to 10rnds), no pistol grip.   i dont see how my image is far off from the truth..

Id call them up and get it sent back in to be refinished correctly. Make them parkarize and repaint it.

Quoted: Id call them up and get it sent back in to be refinished correctly. Make them parkarize and repaint it.

i will call tomorrow.

i had to ship my V93 back already once....as a pin was missing and on my lower I had "Safe", "semi" and 3rnd burst option...and YES it worked everytime, fail safe...12 bursts later I had a huge ass grin on my face and i called up Vector saying there was a slight issue with the rifle.

additionally they burned a freakin hole through rear of reciever at base of the rear sight, just a pit there, not good....when i shipped it back to fix the 3rnd burst problem, they also lost my letter explaining what was wrong with it, along with the flash hider i sent to have installed.

Guys,
We can have pistol grips on our guns out here ,we just need to run a "Bullet button" with it.

"tell me how its even functional without a pistol grip...unless you got one of those coat hanger type pistol grip stocks like ive seen on the AR abominations in CA"

Incorrect, perhaps I was not clear enough. with the BB mag lock device I CAN HAVE ALL THE "EVIL" FEATURES I WANT. Looks more original than your NY filled in flash hider job. I just have to use a bullet to release the magazine. With the hatchet job you depicted, you could legally run hi cap mags. I'd prefer to keep the rifle original and run 10 rounders as I've got enough registered pre ban stuff to keep me content. The BB device is easily reversible should I leave the land of fruits and nuts. Its just a quick and easy way to get more black rifles.

Quoted: Id call them up and get it sent back in to be refinished correctly. Make them parkarize and repaint it.

I belive that it is a well known fact that Vector recievers are not finished inside. They will probably contend that they never advertised an internally parked and painted finish. Do you have one that came with a correct internal finish? It'd be great if they started putting a better finish on them.

Quoted: Quoted: Id call them up and get it sent back in to be refinished correctly. Make them parkarize and repaint it. I belive that it is a well known fact that Vector recievers are not finished inside. They will probably contend that they never advertised an internally parked and painted finish. Do you have one that came with a correct internal finish? It'd be great if they started putting a better finish on them.

+1, I believe that none of the Vector guns are finished inside. ARKAR

Quoted: Quoted: Id call them up and get it sent back in to be refinished correctly. Make them parkarize and repaint it. I belive that it is a well known fact that Vector recievers are not finished inside. They will probably contend that they never advertised an internally parked and painted finish. Do you have one that came with a correct internal finish? It'd be great if they started putting a better finish on them.

Oh, got an email back from Vector, this is what they wrote...  what do I reply with?  I was HOPING they would offer to do it upfront, instead it makes me believe it will cost me $$$.

"At your house, the only thing I can think of is to buy some cold bluing solution at the gun shop and rub it over the inside with a q-tip or something.  Then smear a light oil over that.

We can parkerize it if you want to go that far.

Rex Merrill

Vector"

Quoted: "tell me how its even functional without a pistol grip...unless you got one of those coat hanger type pistol grip stocks like ive seen on the AR abominations in CA" Incorrect, perhaps I was not clear enough. with the BB mag lock device I CAN HAVE ALL THE "EVIL" FEATURES I WANT. Looks more original than your NY filled in flash hider job. I just have to use a bullet to release the magazine. With the hatchet job you depicted, you could legally run hi cap mags. I'd prefer to keep the rifle original and run 10 rounders as I've got enough registered pre ban stuff to keep me content. The BB device is easily reversible should I leave the land of fruits and nuts. Its just a quick and easy way to get more black rifles.

ill take a sleeved flash hider, 40rnd mags and true detachable mags over a 10rnd fixed mag with a real flash hider  

Dude, if your gonna send it in somewhere and foot the bill, go with Arizona Response Systems. They claim that they're the refinisher for HK USA. Their stuff looks pretty good. You arleady bought a sub standard finish from Vector once, don't do it twice.

Quoted: Dude, if your gonna send it in somewhere and foot the bill, go with Arizona Response Systems. They claim that they're the refinisher for HK USA. Their stuff looks pretty good. You arleady bought a sub standard finish from Vector once, don't do it twice.

thats IF i gotta foot the bill.

I really shouldnt have to, it should of been dont right the first time around.

I still dont feel too bad, $1100 gun vs a $2400 HK.  Could own 2 Vector V93s vs 1 HK93.

I do find it amusing when some one says "What do you expect for a grand?" or "Vectors are pretty good for the price." Clearly these folks don't remember the days before the import ban when real HK 9X series rifles were being sold for ~$750.  It's the ban that drove the prices up not "unobtainium" materials or "unequaled" build quality of the HK rifles. Some folks complain about the weld quality on Vectors/JLDs. HKs turned out some pretty shadey looking welds on their rifles also. Not saying that they all were, but some were pretty sloppy. I've owned the real HK rifle, and it was nice, it's just that I think people see the prices of pre-ban stuff and just assume its all attributed to quality.  Not true.

Quoted: Quoted: Just ordered one of those myself. I plan on duracoating the inside or something. It should be parked first but what can you do...... your in CA...how you plan on owning a V93 also how hard is it to duracoat it?

http://www.metroshotfirearms.com/shop.html  There pinning the mags on almost everything .

well Vector made good

they said ship the rifle in, they would take care of this problem, 1 week turn around too!

also would install a IGF fake flash hider for me free of charge!  just got to order the part...

Good to know.

Vector is a great company.  Communication works out 99% of any problem.

Maj

check this..

im debating...

http://ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=608721