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Posted: 3/30/2003 12:04:03 PM EDT

Has anybody here ever heard of the PTR-91? It seems to be a US clone of the HK 91. It looks like an alright rifle, but it is new and I am wondering if anybody has one. If you do, does it have any reliability or disassembly problems?
Here is the advertising site.
JLD Enterprises: PTR-91

Thanks,
Patrick

Posted: 3/30/2003 12:36:46 PM EDT

[#1]

I PUT ONE IN LAY AWAY AT A LOCAL DEALER. HE LET ME TAKE IT APART BEFORE I PUT ANY MONEY DOWN. THE BOLT AND BOLT CARRIER ARE MARKED HK. THE STOCK IS A LITTLE CHEAP, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE A DECENT RIFLE FOR THE MONEY. I WILL PROBABLY PICK IT UP IN 3 OR 4 WEEKS. I WILL POST HOW IT SHOOTS.

Posted: 3/30/2003 1:03:35 PM EDT

[#2]

I'd really like to buy one of those.

Posted: 3/30/2003 10:50:30 PM EDT

[#3]

how much was it?

Posted: 3/31/2003 8:54:13 PM EDT

[#4]

The shop/range I frequent in Belleville, IL (Belleville Shooting Range) just ordered two of them. The folks that ordered them want to make MSG-90/PSG-1 clones. I hope it works out for them. The shop manager told me that the reviews he has seen are VERY positive, and H&K folks attending the SHOT Show were amazed by the quality of this gun.

Posted: 3/31/2003 10:33:21 PM EDT

[#5]

was it able to do 1 moa?

Posted: 4/1/2003 5:48:13 AM EDT

[#6]

Damn you are getting me excited

How much is this? If it can hold 1.5-2 MOA and is reliable I'm definetely buying this rifle, provided it is under $1250. This is a battle rifle, not a match rifle anyways.

But its not chrome lined like Hk91's barrel, is it? (or is Hk91's barrel not chrome lined?)

Posted: 4/1/2003 11:25:04 PM EDT

[#7]

it's a match rifle. PTR-91(ptr = precision target rifle) so it should do at least 1 moa. I'm hoping it holds a 1 moa guarantee. remember the sr9s were old about 1k themselves when they were available for importation..

Posted: 4/2/2003 3:57:34 AM EDT

[#8]

So what's the median price on one of these?

Posted: 4/2/2003 7:52:45 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
it's a match rifle. PTR-91(ptr = precision target rifle)

Damn.

It shouldn't be reliable in the field and I cannot play with it roughly then.

Posted: 4/2/2003 9:22:17 AM EDT

[#10]

There is one for sale, with pics, on www.hk91.com for $775, I think. Looks like a nice rifle.

Keep in mind you can find Greek SAR8s in the $1000 range, which is damn near a German gun in quality.

Posted: 4/2/2003 1:55:08 PM EDT

[#11]

so does anyone know the full accuracy potential of the weapon?

Posted: 4/12/2003 2:01:08 PM EDT

[#12]

Don't know about accuracy or anything but I saw 3 of these today at a gun show. Price was $769 to $995. Finish looked perfect.

TheMao - your from Belleville, Il. Small world, thats my home town, class of 71. How are things there nowdays? I think I might have been to the Belleville range once. Is that the indoor one?

Posted: 4/12/2003 2:12:32 PM EDT

[#13]

SteyrAUG is running a limited group buy on these.

The price is $885 + $25 shipping. There are only a few left.

Posted: 4/12/2003 2:47:15 PM EDT

[#14]

Even fewer now.

Posted: 4/13/2003 2:14:43 PM EDT

[#15]

Just because they call it a "precision target rifle" doesn't mean it is (or that it's not). They might be calling it "target" to make it sound more PC. "Badass Clone of a German Army Rifle" might not fly these days.

From what very little that website says it looks basically like an HK91 except for the trigger and the rear sight adjustment.

Oh and the Scorpian on the side.

Posted: 4/13/2003 4:37:23 PM EDT

[#16]

Is this reliable? Like, is the barrel chrome lined or something (or do they chrome lined real deal G3s at all?)

Man if I'm going to get a battle rifle, this one will be the first when I get the DAMN money.

Posted: 4/13/2003 5:32:27 PM EDT

[#17]

www.edssportshop.com
Had one at a gun show in PA this weekend for $895.

Posted: 4/15/2003 6:02:37 PM EDT

[#18]

My local shop has one. I checked it out today. The fit and finish on the gun looks perfect. Nicest welds I have seen on ANY H&K style receiver I have seen. The price was $895.

Posted: 4/16/2003 8:56:51 AM EDT

[#19]

I PICKED UP MY PTR 91 RIFLE LAST FRIDAY. I WENT TO THE RANGE THIS MORNING. IT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF LONG AGO WHEN I OWNED AN HK91. I FIRED APPROX. 300 ROUNDS OF VARIOUS SURPLUS AMMUNITION WITH ONLY ONE MALFUNCTION. THAT WAS WHEN THE RIFLE WAS EXTREMELY DIRTY. THE EMPTY FAILED TO COMPLETELY EJECT. THE REST OF THE MAGAZINE FIRED WITHOUT INCIDENT.
ACCURACY AT 50 YARDS WAS AMAZING. I COULD KEEP ALL TWENTY ROUNDS IN A MAGAZINE WITHIN A 2 INCH CIRCLE. THIS WAS USING MY RANGE BAG AS A REST.

Posted: 4/16/2003 11:40:03 AM EDT

[#20]

Thats pretty combat-accurate

Is the barrel chrome lined?

ME WANT! ME WANT!

Posted: 4/16/2003 3:17:33 PM EDT

[#21]

Come on, guys! I created this thread to hear some reviews of this rifle. So far I only have one. Help me out here

!

Thanks,
Patrick

Posted: 4/18/2003 5:28:13 PM EDT

[#22]

I'll post a review as soon as mine gets in!

What is your deadline for buying/not buying one?

Posted: 4/19/2003 8:30:01 AM EDT

[#23]

markm, the deadline is.... probably the end of next month

I have lots of time...

Thank you,
Patrick

Posted: 4/19/2003 3:20:20 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Come on, guys! I created this thread to hear some reviews of this rifle. So far I only have one. Help me out here !

Thanks,
Patrick

Here you go:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=182309&w=myTopicPop

Posted: 4/19/2003 3:20:54 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Thats pretty combat-accurate
Is the barrel chrome lined?

ME WANT! ME WANT!

Even better, POLYGON.

Posted: 4/19/2003 4:02:33 PM EDT

[#26]

ACCURACY AT 50 YARDS WAS AMAZING. I COULD KEEP ALL TWENTY ROUNDS IN A MAGAZINE WITHIN A 2 INCH CIRCLE. THIS WAS USING MY RANGE BAG AS A REST.

I'm sorry but I don't count shooting a battlerifle at 50yds my SKS can shoot that well at 50yds....any battlre rifle can shoot that small of groups at that close range.... try 200yds or longer.. THAT will tell if the rifle is accurate or not

Posted: 4/19/2003 7:07:45 PM EDT

[#27]

Local shop has them for $799.99, are they worth it? Same shop sells CETME's for $349.99. Are the PTR-91's worth more than 2 Century built CETME's?

OSA

Posted: 4/19/2003 8:12:43 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Local shop has them for $799.99, are they worth it? Same shop sells CETME's for $349.99. Are the PTR-91's worth more than 2 Century built CETME's?

OSA

Well that depends.

If you think the CAI CETME is a good gun, no.

If you realize the CAI CETME is a nightmarish POS you would be able to answer your own question.

Posted: 4/20/2003 6:36:02 AM EDT

[#29]

Thanks, SteyrAug! That is the way a report should be.

Any more opinions?

Patrick

Posted: 4/20/2003 8:37:45 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Thanks, SteyrAug! That is the way a report should be.

Any more opinions?

Patrick

Oh I have LOTS of opinions.

1. Watching Oprah should be a punishable offence.

2. Anyone with a SKS should be bludgeoned to death with a wiffle ball bat.

3. OJ should be incarcerated WITH Johnny Cocharan.

I could go on and on.

Posted: 4/21/2003 9:12:20 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

2. Anyone with a SKS should be bludgeoned to death with a wiffle ball bat.

Hey, I own an SKS

Posted: 4/21/2003 2:36:00 PM EDT

[#32]

So this will be a wise purchase if a HK91 type rifle is wanted?

I have a CETME, it's an OK rifle, but dislike the rear sight. I didn't have the many problems that other owners complained about.

OSA

Posted: 4/21/2003 3:04:25 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
So this will be a wise purchase if a HK91 type rifle is wanted?

I have a CETME, it's an OK rifle, but dislike the rear sight. I didn't have the many problems that other owners complained about.

OSA

I'd recommend it.

Posted: 4/28/2003 6:49:29 AM EDT

[#34]

Mine had great fit and finish but would not extract PMC ball ammo.

I have already sent it back I will let you know what customer service does with this.
I suspect the fluting was not cut to the correct depth because it took a beating on that cocking handle to force the case from the chamber my hand is still sore.
BTW the cocking handle is tough.:)

Posted: 4/28/2003 7:46:07 PM EDT

[#35]

CDNN has them in stock for $749

Posted: 4/29/2003 8:15:13 AM EDT

[#36]

Group buy price at $885 +$25 sounds like a group gouging to me. My dealer got mine through CDNN plus their markup and I walked out the door with it at $825.

Posted: 4/29/2003 9:32:52 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Group buy price at $885 +$25 sounds like a group gouging to me. My dealer got mine through CDNN plus their markup and I walked out the door with it at $825.

1. See previous posts about CDNN.

2. If you want to buy at "dealer" pull a FFL.

3. Fuck you.

Posted: 4/29/2003 1:21:22 PM EDT

[#38]

SteyrAug,

Have you done any type of "torture tests" to PTR-91 you have? Or just shoot some 500 rounds through that thing?

I consider 2" at 100 yard is good enough, but I'd like to see some reliability.

Thanks

Posted: 4/29/2003 1:36:47 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
SteyrAug,

Have you done any type of "torture tests" to PTR-91 you have? Or just shoot some 500 rounds through that thing?

I consider 2" at 100 yard is good enough, but I'd like to see some reliability.

Thanks

The day after I get mine you'll find out

Posted: 4/29/2003 2:04:35 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
SteyrAug,

Have you done any type of "torture tests" to PTR-91 you have? Or just shoot some 500 rounds through that thing?

I consider 2" at 100 yard is good enough, but I'd like to see some reliability.

Thanks

Since it's a polygon heavy barrel I'm not gonna toast it for durability tests. But as soon as I can get to the range I am gonna test it for accuracy.

Posted: 4/29/2003 2:15:39 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
polygon heavy barrel .

Could you elucidate further Prof. Aug? Is this something different than what is on my SAR-1?

Posted: 4/29/2003 2:33:37 PM EDT

[#42]

Someone is selling an accurized HK91 with polygon barrel at GunsAmerica so it must be very accurate?

Posted: 4/29/2003 3:54:33 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Quoted:
polygon heavy barrel .
Could you elucidate further Prof. Aug? Is this something different than what is on my SAR-1?

Very, very different. Something more like what is on the MSG-90.

Posted: 4/29/2003 3:56:03 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Someone is selling an accurized HK91 with polygon barrel at GunsAmerica so it must be very accurate?

Early HK91 imports (mostly SACOs) came standard with a polygon bore.

The barrel on the PTR-91 seems to be based upon the MSG90 barrel.

Posted: 4/29/2003 7:29:49 PM EDT

[#45]

Steyr Claus left me a present today!

Posted: 4/29/2003 11:14:25 PM EDT

[#46]

Is the barrel on the MSG-90 chrome lined? I know the PTR-91 is not chrome lined however.

SteyrAug sir, post that reliability report as soon as you get the chance!

Thanks!

Posted: 4/30/2003 2:15:52 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Is the barrel on the MSG-90 chrome lined? I know the PTR-91 is not chrome lined however.

SteyrAug sir, post that reliability report as soon as you get the chance!

Thanks!

I don't think the MSG90 or the PSG1 are chrome lined.

Posted: 4/30/2003 5:45:30 PM EDT

[#48]

What is the skinny on Mags? Alluminums are 3 bucks new, and steel are 5 bucks rusty? I have some of both and the steel are way more robust.

Are alluminums worth owning?

Posted: 4/30/2003 7:48:13 PM EDT

[#49]

Aluminum mags are just fine. Get lots of both!

Posted: 4/30/2003 8:26:02 PM EDT

[#50]

Mark- I have 20-30 of those aluminum mags. All mine have worked fine. I got a bunch of the real steel HK mags with my 91 and can't see that they have any advantage over the aluminum mags, except that the aluminum mags are probably more prone to denting. I have one with a dent but it works fine.

I have only had one HK mag that once picked up some surface rust, I think I left it in a nylon mag holder when it was a little damp. The rust came right up with CLP.

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