The GSG-MP40 update, we know you want it, please be patient

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The GSG-MP40 update, we know you want it, please be patient (Page 1 of 3)

Posted: 2/14/2012 10:39:10 AM EDT

Hi,

Lots of people still asking about the MP-40. I've been putting it in these threads but everyone is still asking so here you go:

The MP-40 has always been planned to follow the STG in the timeline. Since day one we have said, STG first, MP-40 second.

Until full production is up and running on the STG and distribution begins, GSG will not begin any development on the MP-40. This is because creating a new gun is ridiculously expensive. Like the STG, ATI & GSG have already locked down the rights to the gun with our partnership with Schmeisser. Just like the STG, ATI will own the overall rights to the gun by owning the equipment it is made on. But, until the STG project becomes just another day at the factory for GSG, they have all their people focused on the STG development so it is 100%. After that, then the MP-40 officially goies into development, which is why we don't expect to have one for testing untill 2013 some time.

Gun development is not fast, trust me, I do all our government end stuff here. It will exist, but not tomorrow, not next week or even this year. But it will eventually. The STG will be here at LATEST by this summer. Thats already set, so don't get worried about that. But keep this thread around for this info.

Posted: 2/21/2012 7:32:52 PM EDT

[#1]

Thank you for taking the time to update us!!

Posted: 2/22/2012 12:28:44 PM EDT

[#2]

Question: will it be a similar price point as the GSG5?

or I could just read the other thread...

Posted: 5/11/2012 8:26:32 AM EDT

[#3]

Awesome!

Posted: 5/20/2012 4:52:51 AM EDT

[#4]

SWEEET looking forward to seeing it later down the road

Posted: 5/25/2012 4:47:49 AM EDT

[#5]

bump

Posted: 7/5/2012 3:05:37 AM EDT

[#6]

I want!!!

Posted: 7/5/2012 4:51:20 AM EDT

[#7]

Has there been any thought about offering the MP40 in 9mm? I imagine such an option would spark interest in other crowds, too.

Posted: 7/5/2012 10:24:01 AM EDT

[#8]

Anything over .22lr caliber would not meet the 'sporting purposes' criteria for importable firearms. So, we'd have to bring in a heavily modified and neutered version only in that case. Then, if you wanted something as simple as Hi-Cap on the mag, the gun would have to be 922(r ) compliant. This would require actually manufacturing tooling here in the US to make the correct parts etc. Not cost effective. We expect the retail price on the .22 to be between $450 & $500.

Posted: 7/5/2012 3:07:38 PM EDT

[#9]

What if it was imported as a pistol like the Draco or the Mini Draco? I thought that pistols aren't subject to 922(r).

Just thinking out loud here since I would definitely love to own a 9mm MP40, reproduction or not.

Posted: 7/19/2012 5:41:19 AM EDT

[#10]

Chirs,

Thanks for getting the stg44 stuff squared away and going for us. Do you know the time frame of when the mp40's will be imported? Expect them the same time next year July 2013 like the stg's?

Posted: 7/19/2012 9:06:10 AM EDT

[#11]

Development wise, estimate would be early 2014 at best guess right now. Figure time frame: STG was started in development in Jan 2011, hit the market in July 2012. So that's....19 months.

Posted: 7/20/2012 9:04:33 PM EDT

[#12]

Keep up the great work!!!

So what comes after the Mp40? Any ideas floating around?

Ppsh41 or a Thompson maybe?

Posted: 7/23/2012 11:19:13 AM EDT

[#13]

We haven't gotten that far yet. Thompson isn't going to happen though unless the royalties wanted by Kahr Arms go waaaaay down.

Posted: 7/25/2012 11:59:26 AM EDT

[#14]

FG42 in .22 maybe?

Posted: 7/29/2012 8:21:21 PM EDT

[#15]

G43!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 9/1/2012 10:45:14 PM EDT

[#16]

What extension have you planned for the GSG-MP40 to have 16" barrel? Add a fake suppressor type tube? Or just stick out the barrel? The barrel length is an unfortunate problem since MP40 is such a nice little sub gun.

Also I hope you will have a pistol version (with locked closed stock) with the correct barrel length. That way some will at least have a correct looking MP40 as a pistol version. Also it would make the SBR route easier to do.

Posted: 9/1/2012 11:53:49 PM EDT

[#17]

I really hope they go the pistol with a locked stock route. The originals had a ten inch barrel.
A full 16" length barrel with or without a faux suppressor would be fugly IMO.

Posted: 9/2/2012 5:57:49 PM EDT

[#18]

I would like the rifle so I could form 1 it and make it a SBR. I won't buy the fixed stock pistol.

Posted: 11/3/2012 1:14:28 AM EDT

[#19]

To be honest I would LOVE to have a .22lr PPSh-41 replica more so that the MP-40

Posted: 11/3/2012 1:52:30 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
To be honest I would LOVE to have a .22lr PPSh-41 replica more so that the MP-40

Bam!!

Here

Posted: 11/3/2012 8:05:50 AM EDT

[#21]

Yeah, you don't want that Puma. Lots of issues. It requires a round with 1300 FPS at the muzzle, but it is picky with ammo. Only shot stingers for me. It also had some parts break regularly. There are a couple threads in the 10/22 section with this.

Posted: 11/4/2012 10:13:49 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
To be honest I would LOVE to have a .22lr PPSh-41 replica more so that the MP-40

Bam!!
http://mauser.net/firearms/rifles/rimfire-rifles/PPS50-22/PPS-740px.png
Here

That’s a terribly inaccurate replica. GSG could do better than that.

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:33:14 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
FG42 in .22 maybe?

Please Please

Posted: 11/5/2012 11:39:38 PM EDT

[#24]

"That’s a terribly inaccurate replica. GSG could do better than that."

+100 to that; GSG knows how to build replicas!

And also,

A drop-in rimfire conversion kit for HK93/V93/C93 owners

A 3/4-scale Garand or 1918 BAR or M14 or FAL in .22LR

And use the curved mags from the GSG5 for a .22LR Sterling replica!

And some rimmy bullpups too;

FAMAS replica
L85 replica
AUG replica

Lottsa possibilities with the GSG methods of a "firing system in a shell"

Posted: 11/17/2012 1:56:14 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
"That’s a terribly inaccurate replica. GSG could do better than that."

+100 to that; GSG knows how to build replicas!

And also,

A drop-in rimfire conversion kit for HK93/V93/C93 owners

A 3/4-scale Garand or 1918 BAR or M14 or FAL in .22LR

And use the curved mags from the GSG5 for a .22LR Sterling replica!

And some rimmy bullpups too;

FAMAS replica
L85 replica
AUG replica

Lottsa possibilities with the GSG methods of a "firing system in a shell"

I'd be ALL over that!

Posted: 11/23/2012 4:39:25 PM EDT

[#26]

Update:

GSG & ATI have recently been very communicative in getting this underway now....I'm going to have samples at Shot Show, working on the temporary import for them now. Things are starting to move now that full swing production on STG is a lock...just like we planned. I don't have other info that I can release right now, but the gears are turning everyone.

Posted: 11/23/2012 7:35:49 PM EDT

[#27]

Posted: 12/9/2012 10:48:10 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
FG42 in .22 maybe?

+ 1

I just bought a GSG StG-44; putting aside $$$ for the GSG MP-40...and would buy a GSG FG-42 as well...

Back to the GSG MP-40...I'd prefer a long barrel w/folding stock...Correct MP-40 barrel thread protector and let the barrel itself stick out...

Posted: 12/11/2012 12:01:49 AM EDT

[#29]

GSG into an M1 Garand knockoff?

Posted: 12/11/2012 9:07:35 AM EDT

[#30]

LOL guys, we gotta get past the MP-40 now before we even consider what will be next. Developing new guns is really expensive and time consuming. I already see to w/ the MP-40 where we'll have our greatest issue in development.....it has a completely straight stick magazine but rimfire bullets do not stack straight. Gonna be interesting to see what GSG comes up with for that. Also, we're going to give it a shot, but a pistol version with a dummy underfolding fixed stock is a long shot too as ATF may consider the design of the mag & magwell as a grip forward of the pistol grip....therefore AOW. We will see when we send it to FTB for testing.

Posted: 12/15/2012 6:08:51 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
To be honest I would LOVE to have a .22lr PPSh-41 replica more so that the MP-40

Bam!!
http://mauser.net/firearms/rifles/rimfire-rifles/PPS50-22/PPS-740px.png
Here

That’s a terribly inaccurate replica. GSG could do better than that.

Yeah that looks like garbage, could have made a decent PPD-40 replica or even a M49, but even then they would probably still screw it up.

Posted: 12/15/2012 11:55:48 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
I already see to w/ the MP-40 where we'll have our greatest issue in development.....it has a completely straight stick magazine but rimfire bullets do not stack straight.

Should be no problem for the 10 rd mags, required for some of our states...

Posted: 1/22/2013 1:41:24 PM EDT

[#33]

bar would be awesome.

Posted: 1/23/2013 6:53:38 AM EDT

[#34]

Will additional magazines be available for the MP-40?

Posted: 1/23/2013 8:47:48 AM EDT

[#35]

I've got a GSG-5 and an STG44. Soon as an MP40 is available I'll buy one of those too. (How's THAT for an informative post?:>)

Posted: 1/23/2013 6:56:45 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
LOL guys, we gotta get past the MP-40 now before we even consider what will be next. Developing new guns is really expensive and time consuming. I already see to w/ the MP-40 where we'll have our greatest issue in development.....it has a completely straight stick magazine but rimfire bullets do not stack straight. Gonna be interesting to see what GSG comes up with for that. Also, we're going to give it a shot, but a pistol version with a dummy underfolding fixed stock is a long shot too as ATF may consider the design of the mag & magwell as a grip forward of the pistol grip....therefore AOW. We will see when we send it to FTB for testing.

As far as the straight mag, actually there is a curve option. Remember the 9mm mag is wider than needed for .22. So there is room for slight curvature inside the "9mm" mag body. Question is how many rounds? My guess would be 10 rounds cound be fit curved inside a staight 9mm sized mag body.

I used to have a West Hurley Thompson 1927A3 (.22). What they did to make it look decent is they offered a 10 round .22 mag that was actually a .22 magazine fit inside a straight Thompson .45 mag as a fuctional display mag. Then they offered a curved .22 mag (that looked nothing like an original) that held 30 rounds for plinking.

That said, that's what I would do, offer a replica straight "9mm" 10 rounder to get the curvature right for feeding and then offer with it an off the shelf curved 25 round GSG .22 mag for plinking. This way we'd have the best of both worlds.

So far as offering it as a pistol, the ATF has approved other fixed stock "pitsols" like this recently - PPS43C, TNW KP44, to name a few. I'd really like to see this offered as a pistol, cause a 16" barrel on a MP40 would look goofy IMO

Posted: 1/25/2013 12:29:18 PM EDT

[#37]

I agree, I would like to buy this as a pistol and then sbr it. I imagine that it will look funny with a 16" barrel.

Posted: 1/25/2013 5:28:23 PM EDT

[#38]

The guy from FTB who does our all GSG gun test was at shot show and I grabbed him and asked him to take a look at the show about the possible AOW theory. He said not to worry about it. Its a mag well, and is designed as a mag & mag well and not designed as a forward grip, so it shouldn't be an issue.

Unless Feinstein gets her way.

Posted: 2/4/2013 6:43:12 PM EDT

[#39]

Yup do want the MP-40

Posted: 2/7/2013 11:17:39 AM EDT

[#40]

I'll buy one as soon as I can.

Posted: 2/8/2013 12:58:01 AM EDT

[#41]

I've got a GSG:

- AK-47
- STG-44
- 522SD
- 1911-22

I'll be adding the MP-40 to my above list, when they become available. Can't wait!

Cheers!

BB

Posted: 2/21/2013 2:18:54 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
The guy from FTB who does our all GSG gun test was at shot show and I grabbed him and asked him to take a look at the show about the possible AOW theory. He said not to worry about it. Its a mag well, and is designed as a mag & mag well and not designed as a forward grip, so it shouldn't be an issue.

Unless Feinstein gets her way.

Chris -

I am somewhat confused...In this thread, you state -

Quoted:
Do you think either version [pistol, rifle] will be allowed in New York State???

Quoted:
Under the new definition of assault weapon, all GSG's are prohibited. Basically, only if they decide on a rimfire exemption in the future.

Why wouldn't the GSG MP40 in pistol configuration (and a 7-rd magazine) be legal in New York under the 2013 SAFE Act???

Posted: 2/23/2013 2:50:11 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Chris -

I am somewhat confused...In this thread, you state -

Quoted:
Do you think either version [pistol, rifle] will be allowed in New York State???

Quoted:
Under the new definition of assault weapon, all GSG's are prohibited. Basically, only if they decide on a rimfire exemption in the future.

Why wouldn't the GSG MP40 in pistol configuration (and a 7-rd magazine) be legal in New York under the 2013 SAFE Act???

Why MP40 isn't "safe" under the NY SAFE act? Cuz this gun looks too evil.

Kidding aside, they probably have some clause in the law to say guns with GSG guts but in a different shell would still be banned.

Posted: 3/15/2013 1:50:45 AM EDT

[#44]

need an update on this. any news?

Posted: 3/15/2013 8:13:04 AM EDT

[#45]

Sadly those of us in Kolorado could really use the *magazines* right NOW :( I've always wanted an MP40 and thought this would be ideal - never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that one would come so close and yet be so far out of reach. Sniffle.

Richard

Posted: 3/16/2013 7:25:46 PM EDT

[#46]

Please consider doing the FG-42 after you get the MP40 done.

Posted: 3/19/2013 5:10:49 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Please consider doing the FG-42 after you get the MP40 done.

I'll second that. FG-42 pleeeeeze.

Any pre release pics of the MP40?

Posted: 3/20/2013 1:55:08 PM EDT

[#48]

A .22 Stirling.....now that sounds interesting! Put me down for one of those!

And come on guys, aren't we due for a .22 M2 Grease gun?

Posted: 3/25/2013 4:25:40 PM EDT

[#49]

Hi,

Regarding this:

Why wouldn't the GSG MP40 in pistol configuration (and a 7-rd magazine) be legal in New York under the 2013 SAFE Act???

And the answer is.....I'm sorry, but the MP-40 in pistol configuration is in fact evil under the SAFE Atc because....it is a semi automatic pistol with a detachable magazine that is a) outside of the pistol grip (so that's strike one which is enough to disqualify it) and b) will have a manufactured weight of over 50 ounces.

EVIL!!!!

So yeah, that sucks. Actually, there is a GSG that is still legal in NY, and that is the California 1911. The only thing that differentiates this from the regular version is it does not have a threaded BBL and has CA on the slide next to GSG 1911. After April 15th, with a 7rnd magazine, the CA 1911 will still be legal for consumers to purchase in NY. We have to make a 7 rnd for it, but we're working on it. I have the very first test GSG-922 CA models just in, so they're about to go to CA for testing. Those have to pass CA testing before we go full production on them, those will be NY compliant w/ the 7 rnd mags as well once they go into full production. CA testing takes about 8 months, so we won't start mass producing them until 2014 sometime.

Posted: 3/26/2013 12:10:51 PM EDT

[#50]

yeah, but where's the pictures of the mp-40

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