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Posted: 1/27/2014 12:44:52 PM EDT
I am new to the reloading hobby and am currently only reloading my pistol ammo. I use HP-38 for .9mm, .40 and .45acp.

I am wanting to start reloading .223, .243 and possibly .308. Which would be a good rifle powder to use? Also not to be too choosey, but if you can tell me why you are suggesting the powder you are suggesting. Please no "just because thats the only powder I use". I am trying to learn and would like to know the benefits from the different powders.

Thank you for your help in advance.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:53:57 PM EDT
Right now (and for the past year+), you use what you can get
TONS of opinions on this, but I like Ramshot TAC for 223.  Good velocities, meters exceptionally well
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 12:55:30 PM EDT
I use far more H4895 than anything else.  I reload .204 Ruger. .243, .260.,.308.375 H&H Magnum, and  with it.  I have loaded 223 with it as well, when I reloaded .223.

I really like its ability to work, and work well, in a wide variety of calibers.  Additionally its fairly temperature insensitive.  I can load in my 68 degree realoading room, and shoot that n the prairie dog fields at 100+ degrees, or in the N. Minnesota deer woods at 10 degrees and not have to worry about pressure spikes due to temperature.

I've also not found a round I can't dial in with it, but I use RL-19 for 280 and 4831SC for 270 because thats what I started with years ago and I haven't put any time into trying to fiddle around with those calibers and 4895 to find a load that may shoot the same as my current ones.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 1:53:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 1:57:53 PM EDT

OP I don't load .243 but I use Varget in my .308 and .223 works great in my chargemaster but I've heard complaint's of people using powder measures that it doesn't meter well because it's a stick powder.




Pharcta2 I'm curious how the temperature of your reloading room affects your ammo?

Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:04:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ch3no2:
Right now (and for the past year+), you use what you can get
TONS of opinions on this, but I like Ramshot TAC for 223.  Good velocities, meters exceptionally well
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I understand that, right now, but also want info so when/if supply ever comes back I can buy for "Quality" vs buying for "cause its all I can find"

I do appreciate the response though.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:12:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pharcta2:
I use far more H4895 than anything else.  I reload .204 Ruger. .243, .260.,.308.375 H&H Magnum, and  with it.  I have loaded 223 with it as well, when I reloaded .223.

I really like its ability to work, and work well, in a wide variety of calibers.  Additionally its fairly temperature insensitive.  I can load in my 68 degree realoading room, and shoot that n the prairie dog fields at 100+ degrees, or in the N. Minnesota deer woods at 10 degrees and not have to worry about pressure spikes due to temperature.

I've also not found a round I can't dial in with it, but I use RL-19 for 280 and 4831SC for 270 because thats what I started with years ago and I haven't put any time into trying to fiddle around with those calibers and 4895 to find a load that may shoot the same as my current ones.
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Highlighted part in red and what another poster responded "223 and 308 will use the same powders, 243 will use slower burning powders." seems to contradict each other. It seems that you have had very good results while using it in your reloads. Why would a "slower burning powder" be an issue in the .243? To the neewbie I am, the .243 somewhere close to the middle between the .223 and the .308. If H4895 works well for .223 and .308 then why would it be different for the .243? Again I am a neewb and thank you for the response.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:13:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Open a reloading manual and make a list of powders.

Buy what you can find from your list. That's just the way it is right now.

223 and 308 will use the same powders, 243 will use slower burning powders.


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Can you explain a little more the highlighted section please?
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:22:32 PM EDT
in my experience and friends i shoot with

.308 = varget or IMR4064

.223 = H335, RL15, BLC2

.243 = IMR 3031
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 2:32:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TXOUTLAW32:




Can you explain a little more the highlighted section please?
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Originally Posted By TXOUTLAW32:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Open a reloading manual and make a list of powders.

Buy what you can find from your list. That's just the way it is right now.

223 and 308 will use the same powders, 243 will use slower burning powders.






Can you explain a little more the highlighted section please?


http://www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp

Heavy for caliber bullets often like slower burning powders. Longer barrels also. Case size is a factor.

My favorite for .243 70gr is IMR-4350. It is one of the easier to find (walmart shelves in normal times). I use older published loads after testing and get 3400 fps.



Edit - the load isn't in current "safe" specs in manuals so I didn't include it. This was just a browning a-bolt with a boss comp. front rested. There would be one hole if I had done my part.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:09:19 PM EDT
I dunno about .243.
In .223 & .308 I like RL15, Varget, BL-C(2), 2000MR, and Tac, with heavish bullets.
H335, and Benchmark have done well for me with 62gr on down bullets in .223.
Those are not rules just my exp and there is overlap and there are lots of other suitable powders.

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Link Posted: 1/27/2014 3:56:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Open a reloading manual and make a list of powders.

Buy what you can find from your list. That's just the way it is right now.

223 and 308 will use the same powders, 243 will use slower burning powders.


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Varget
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:19:55 PM EDT
You can do research here:  

http://data.hodgdon.com

or here:

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx?gtypeid=2

and x2 for dryflash's post.  Powder is really hard to find, so make a list and buy what you can.  Also a good reloading book is essential and will answer 99% of your questions.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:31:34 PM EDT
Depends on your end goal: best accuracy per caliber per bullet weight, easiest

metering, one "fits all" powder, etc.

I load .223 for AR and .308 for M1A. With current supply issues, my goal is best

powder for both: IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 do well in both with good accuracy

and function in MY rifles. Accuracy loads: H335 in the AR and IMR 4064 for

the M1A.

No experience with .243.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By johndm1967:
Depends on your end goal: best accuracy per caliber per bullet weight, easiest

metering, one "fits all" powder, etc.

I load .223 for AR and .308 for M1A. With current supply issues, my goal is best

powder for both: IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 do well in both with good accuracy

and function in MY rifles. Accuracy loads: H335 in the AR and IMR 4064 for

the M1A.

No experience with .243.
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My LGS has everything except TAC but for all powders they charge 30lb!
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:06:32 PM EDT
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My LGS has everything except TAC but for all powders they charge 30lb!
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Originally Posted By johndm1967:
Depends on your end goal: best accuracy per caliber per bullet weight, easiest

metering, one "fits all" powder, etc.

I load .223 for AR and .308 for M1A. With current supply issues, my goal is best

powder for both: IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 do well in both with good accuracy

and function in MY rifles. Accuracy loads: H335 in the AR and IMR 4064 for

the M1A.

No experience with .243.


My LGS has everything except TAC but for all powders they charge 30lb!

I don't understand
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 5:15:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Alpha82:
I dunno about .243.
In .223 & .308 I like RL15, Varget, BL-C(2), 2000MR, and Tac, with heavish bullets.
H335, and Benchmark have done well for me with 62gr on down bullets in .223.
Those are not rules just my exp and there is overlap and there are lots of other suitable powders.

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This. I sold off all my Varget and RL-15 and now use 2000MR exclusively... haven't seen any for sale (beyond 1 lb jugs) since march though.
Link Posted: 1/27/2014 6:22:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:22:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Compared to the other 2, 243 is overbore. So it benefits from a slower powder. Look up overbore.  

You can use the same powder in 243 as in 223 and 308, but you won't get top velocities with the heavy bullets.

I don't always list all the variables in a short post like I made earlier.

Read the powder section of a reloading manual for more info.
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Originally Posted By TXOUTLAW32:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Open a reloading manual and make a list of powders.

Buy what you can find from your list. That's just the way it is right now.

223 and 308 will use the same powders, 243 will use slower burning powders.






Can you explain a little more the highlighted section please?
Compared to the other 2, 243 is overbore. So it benefits from a slower powder. Look up overbore.  

You can use the same powder in 243 as in 223 and 308, but you won't get top velocities with the heavy bullets.

I don't always list all the variables in a short post like I made earlier.

Read the powder section of a reloading manual for more info.


Gotcha! Thank you for clarifying that for me. I will do some more research on that.


Again I do appreciate everyone's suggestions and help.
Link Posted: 1/28/2014 4:27:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PointBlank82:

This. I sold off all my Varget and RL-15 and now use 2000MR exclusively... haven't seen any for sale (beyond 1 lb jugs) since march though.
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2000mr is awesome.
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