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Posted: 1/24/2019 9:46:07 PM EDT
I bought a Marlin 1895 GBL and sent it off to be threaded for a SilencerCo Hybrid

I am looking for different loads that work well with the suppressor

Anyone have experience with good subsonic/supersonic loads with the Hybrid?
Link Posted: 1/24/2019 10:05:41 PM EDT
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Use the fastest burning powder and lightest bullet that you can.  Keep velocity below 1000fps.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 1:26:11 AM EDT
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I’ve gotten lazy with my reloading lately so I bought a box of the black butterfly 350gr subs to try on hogs. I only shot a few to check zero and they were subsonic and reasonably quiet out of my 18” barrel with a hybrid.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 2:06:57 AM EDT
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With my Marlin GG 12 grains of Unique got me 1067 fps with a 405 gr cast bullet and 1118 fps with a 350 gr cast bullet.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 2:09:44 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/25/2019 7:41:07 AM EDT
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Haven't started reloading for it yet, sorry man. I have been curious though and looked for commercial loads before. Haven't seen any subsonic ones.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 11:39:19 AM EDT
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Any other suggestions for non-cast bullets?

I’d rather not get into casting if I don’t have to
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 11:45:46 AM EDT
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Hodgdon Trailboss  or Vihtavuori N32C (Tin Star) are both excellent sub-sonic 45/70 powders.  Pick the bullet you like, I would go heavy, and work it down so you don't stick a bullet in the barrel.  I used Tin Star to make a very nice 405gr sub-sonic load for my 450 Bushmaster.  With 45/70 having a greater case capacity you can probably use Trailboss.  I ran out of case volume in 450 Bushmaster with Trailboss under a 405gr.  It probably would work nicely with a ~350gr bullet.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 11:56:00 AM EDT
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No need to get into casting.  There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets.  The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 6:40:16 PM EDT
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No need to get into casting.  There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets.  The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets.
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No need to get into casting.  There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets.  The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets.
I assume I’d need to powder coat these since they will be going through a suppressor?
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 6:41:50 PM EDT
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No need to get into casting.  There are plenty of places to buy cast .45-70 bullets.  The loads I mentioned were with Oregon Trail Laser-Cast Bullets.
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Bare lead bullets and the hi-tek coated bullets will  leave lots of light in your hybrid and gum it up. Don't use them!  
Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it,  plenty of info around here about it.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 6:57:17 PM EDT
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Sorry, spaced the suppressor part.  If plated bullets would work it looks like X-treme has .458-300 RNFP that would probably work for light .45-70 loads and Berry's has a 350 gr bullet specifically for the .45-70.
Link Posted: 1/25/2019 7:03:54 PM EDT
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Bare lead bullets and the hi-tek coated bullets will  leave lots of light in your hybrid and gum it up. Don't use them!  
Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it,  plenty of info around here about it.
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I’d prefer jacketed but I’m not seeing many out there for 405 gr and the like
Link Posted: 1/26/2019 2:20:23 AM EDT
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There's plenty,  they just cost $1+ Per bullet!

I cast and powder coat 270gr 44 and 500gr 45-70 and get no leading in my barrels or in my hybrid.  With range scrap lead it's 10-15 cents/rd if you have the brass.  Noe makes a 500gr and 600gr 45-70 mold that will cycle in lever guns.
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 12:19:05 AM EDT
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Bare lead bullets and the hi-tek coated bullets will  leave lots of light in your hybrid and gum it up. Don't use them!  
Powder coating can be OK depending on how it's done. I've had good luck with it,  plenty of info around here about it.
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Wait... hi-tek coated bullets leave... "light"? You mean leading? I thought hi-tek coated bullets help prevent that.
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 11:30:22 AM EDT
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Probably auto-correct!  
hi-tek coated bullets have always been very dirty for me.  Not as dirty as plain lead, but still very dirty.  I would never put hi-tek through any of my silencers that can't be taken apart.
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 12:50:28 PM EDT
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I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP
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I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 1:44:03 PM EDT
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I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
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I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP
I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
Would you just load them up already and quit talking about it
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 6:14:44 PM EDT
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Would you just load them up already and quit talking about it
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I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP
I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
Would you just load them up already and quit talking about it


That seems like too big of a bullet honestly

My 405s will work fine for my subsonic needs
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 6:28:39 PM EDT
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I ended up buying Remington 405gr JSP
I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
Would you just load them up already and quit talking about it
I don't have a can for mine, and they won't cycle... but I'm still interested in them.
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 6:37:00 PM EDT
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I don't have a can for mine, and they won't cycle... but I'm still interested in them.
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I found 725gr 458 projectiles online last week.
Would you just load them up already and quit talking about it
I don't have a can for mine, and they won't cycle... but I'm still interested in them.
I have the can but my gun isn’t threaded yet
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 7:48:03 PM EDT
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Same

.45-70 is low on the list

MP5 is first
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 8:46:59 PM EDT
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Same

.45-70 is low on the list

MP5 is first
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I have the can but my gun isn’t threaded yet
Same

.45-70 is low on the list

MP5 is first
I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle.

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Link Posted: 2/25/2019 8:50:44 PM EDT
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG
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You definitely have the coolest AOWs on here
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 10:26:08 PM EDT
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You definitely have the coolest AOWs on here
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG
You definitely have the coolest AOWs on here
That’s a SBR  I wanted a stock to tame that 500
Link Posted: 2/25/2019 10:33:49 PM EDT
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That’s a SBR  I wanted a stock to tame that 500
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I bought my can for my Encore knowing that down the road I could use it on a big bore rifle.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/129950/192D9895-7504-4B6D-A97D-32F2AC26CB50_jpeg-858182.JPG
You definitely have the coolest AOWs on here
That’s a SBR  I wanted a stock to tame that 500
Short stuff then.

I didn't even think to much into it.
Link Posted: 2/26/2019 10:35:47 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/26/2019 11:20:42 AM EDT
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I use 13 gr of trailboss under a 405 gr projectile for subsonic use.

For the slower loads look at the load data for a trap door.
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 9:12:17 PM EDT
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Where did you find these? Thanks
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 9:22:53 PM EDT
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I like unique better than trail boss, if you can find manuals from the 70's they are listed. The best book to get is 40 years with the 45-70 available on amazon. Its like the 45-70 bible and talks a lot about reduced and subsonic loads with unique.
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 9:33:51 PM EDT
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Where did you find these? Thanks
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Where did you find these? Thanks
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Here you go. (Sorry, they're 730gr, not 725gr.)

http://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319
Link Posted: 2/27/2019 11:46:50 PM EDT
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Here you go. (Sorry, they're 730gr, not 725gr.)

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Thank you

Help me out here- given the 45-70 case is straight wall, and the powder charge is low vs black powder the case was originally designed for, can’t we seat an extra long bullet (such as the 730) super deep? The link clearly says no (I assume due to crimp rings), but I am curious if there might be other options.
Link Posted: 2/28/2019 8:14:40 AM EDT
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can’t we seat an extra long bullet (such as the 730) super deep? The link clearly says no (I assume due to crimp rings), but I am curious if there might be other options.
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The link doesn't say no, it just says that it won't cycle when loaded to the crimp ring.  This is because the nose is longer than spec and the leverguns can't handle it.  You could seat it deeper, but you'd have no crimp groove and would have to come up with your own load data from scratch.

Noebulletmolds.com recently made a mold for 500 and 600gr bullets that have a short enough nose to work in leverguns.  Here is the 600gr mold: http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=42_588

Another option is to cut your cases shorter to fit an existing bullet to the crimp groove.  Downside is the brass is only good for that bullet and it will leave a carbon ring like shooting special ammo in a 357/44 magnum.  You'll also have to make up your own load data from scratch which may or may not be a big deal for you.

ETA: I've chased the heaviest subsonic bullets possible in 44mag and 45 colt.  I got a 1895 only because it has a fast twist and heavier bullets are available.  It's a losing battle - I shoot my cheap Rossi 92 most often now because it holds more rounds, is lighter, is cheaper to shoot, quieter due to lighter bullets, and overall more fun.  Unless you really have a need for super heavy subsonic ammo I'd just stick with the cheapest jacketed bullets you can find.  Shooting subsonic rounds at the range it doesn't make a difference what the bullets weigh and if you're hunting a jacketed pistol bullet will perform better on an animal.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 11:51:39 PM EDT
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I use Trailboss under a home cast 350 for my soft and quiet loads.  While I am not using a suppressor, with my ear plugs in, the berm smack is louder that the report up close.
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