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Posted: 6/16/2014 11:27:27 AM EST
I recently completed a trade for some armor. When I received the package in the mail, I found that the esapi plates where green US marked plates. The soft armor and carrier also has nsn numbers. I attempted to contact the seller numerous times now and he will not answer the phone or return my calls. His business sites say he is an active duty LEO, but I have had no luck finding where at his local, county, or state levels. Who should I report this to? I do not want to be in possession of stolen US property. The individual lives in St. Marys Georgia.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 11:32:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 11:32:46 AM EST
was this through a website?
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 11:59:32 AM EST
tag tag tag
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:10:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 12:11:20 PM EST by walkingllama]
Green US marked ESAPIs are stolen, since none have ever been released to the public. It was off armslist, however he is the owner of Fletcher Tactical
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:18:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
Green US marked ESAPIs are stolen, since none have ever been released to the public. It was off armslist, however he is the owner of Fletcher Tactical
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I see a FB but no actual website
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:20:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 12:21:21 PM EST by BSWilson]
While I applaud your integrity, I fear you're about to learn an expensive lesson on the subject of "Why you should NEVER invite the man into your life".
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:21:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BSWilson:
While I applaud your integrity, I fear you're about to learn an expensive lesson on the subject of "Why you should NEVER invite the man into your life".
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Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:27:00 PM EST
Be sure to post a picture of your Good Citizens Medal when you get it.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:31:23 PM EST
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:45:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.
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I have a feeling you will be disappointed with either outcome. Having the man in your life for any reason is not a good thing, even if you did nothing wrong.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:47:14 PM EST
I'd start by calling some sort of JAG unit and asking about it.


Or paint it and never talk about it again.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:47:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 12:48:55 PM EST by jlficken]
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.
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Throw it in a dumpster somewhere and walk away then I guess. I wouldn't worry about it personally though until you had hard evidence that it was stolen in the form of a knock on the door from someone in a suit wanting it back.

There are all kinds of things that supposedly "never made it into civilian hands" from the .gov that have indeed made it out there in small numbers. Without proof to the contrary you are just stressing for no reason.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:48:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 12:49:02 PM EST by DvlDog]
There are so many avenues for this stuff to be legit its probably more likely its legit than stolen. Dont imagine problems where there might not be one. Call the FBI of you want to, they will sieze it even if its legal because they wont know anymore about it than you do. Maybe if youre lucky they will decide to take a look around to see what other contraband you're holding. Own any C3 stuff? This thread could get awesome.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:48:47 PM EST
Are you sure it wasn't some sort of military surplus deal? Lotta stuff coming up for sale now that the wars are winding down.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:49:00 PM EST
I'm in to see what goes down..


Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:50:48 PM EST
If you feel that strongly about it, contact the C.I.D. office at either Fort Benning or Stewart.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:52:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 12:54:15 PM EST by DvlDog]
Contractors all get GI SAPI plates right from the military. We sign for them from CIF as individuals. at a certain point (2yr mark I think) the company gets billed for it from the government. Tens of thousands of contractors over the last 12yrs have been in this spot. The number of non-stolen sapis out there is probably staggering.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 12:55:39 PM EST
I would keep them, throw them in a closet for the zombie-gedon.

Or wipe them down, put them in a box and drop ship them (paying cash) to the local FBI office with a "you're welcome" note
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 1:03:35 PM EST
In. Sorry OP.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 1:15:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 1:18:17 PM EST by BillofRights]
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.
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I can never understand people like you. You don't want it? Throw them in the ocean, or a river. Or bury them under the ground..

I can understand feeling disappointed, but c'mon man, wtf are you going to do when faced with a real problem.

The fact that you live in AK makes it even more.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 1:44:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 2:01:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By joker581:

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be in possession of stolen property or with feeling like you got fucked when someone sold it to you.
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Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By walkingllama:
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.



I can never understand people like you. You don't want it? Throw them in the ocean, or a river. Or bury them under the ground..

I can understand feeling disappointed, but c'mon man, wtf are you going to do when faced with a real problem.

The fact that you live in AK makes it even more.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be in possession of stolen property or with feeling like you got fucked when someone sold it to you.


but its hard to prove beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt that they were stolen
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 2:09:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By joker581:

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be in possession of stolen property or with feeling like you got fucked when someone sold it to you.
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Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By walkingllama:
I don't want a damned medal, but what the hell am I supposed to do with it now? I can't sell it, and I can't keep it either.



I can never understand people like you. You don't want it? Throw them in the ocean, or a river. Or bury them under the ground..

I can understand feeling disappointed, but c'mon man, wtf are you going to do when faced with a real problem.

The fact that you live in AK makes it even more.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be in possession of stolen property or with feeling like you got fucked when someone sold it to you.


Agreed, but I just can't imagine going through life, looking for official government sanctioned assistance for every little bump in the road. He doesn't know for fact it is stolen. He has a record of how he acquired it.

Could he have reasonably known it was "stolen". Or is it just an ambiguous suspicion picked out of dusty corners of the internet?

One can find all manner of things to worry about, but life is to short stress about it imho.

It's just a difference in mindset. Feel uncomfortable having it around? Geocache it. -or- Give it to someone who appreciates it.

We just donated Billions of dollars worth of weapons to ISIS. Excuse me if I don't see the outrage over a set of Plates of dubious pedigree.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 2:37:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BSWilson:
While I applaud your integrity, I fear you're about to learn an expensive lesson on the subject of "Why you should NEVER invite the man into your life".
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This.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 2:59:44 PM EST
OP it seems to me like you didn't ask enough questions to begin with. Did you not see pics of what you were purchasing?

Not trying to be a dick but when people sell acogs for 500 bucks and plate carriers and sapi plates I would hope your spidey sense would think something was fishy or at least you would ensure the items were not stolen before you purchased them...
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:10:41 PM EST
For everyone's edification, sense apparently you do not know. All green ESAPI plates with US markings are stolen. Period. End of story hard evidence right there.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:17:18 PM EST
And yes I did see a pic, the items pictured where not the items I received. The plates pictured where black ESAPIs which would be legal.

And to half you other posters talking about SAPI plates, you realize there is a difference right? There is surplus US marked SAPIs, there is not a single legal green US marked ESAPI plate on the civilian market.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:20:01 PM EST
Someone loses issued equipment and then is forced to pay for it. They find it later and sell it. However, if it is stolen the Armor Reclaimation Squad will find you and arrest you.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:28:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
Someone loses issued equipment and then is forced to pay for it. They find it later and sell it making themselves felons for sellin stolen government propertyHowever, if it is stolen the Armor Reclaimation Squad will find you and arrest you.
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FIFY
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:32:24 PM EST
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FIFY
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
Someone loses issued equipment and then is forced to pay for it. They find it later and sell it making themselves felons for sellin stolen government propertyHowever, if it is stolen the Armor Reclaimation Squad will find you and arrest you.

FIFY


If it is paid for then its not stolen.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:38:47 PM EST
It actually is because it is still US Property. All US marked ESAPI plates are illegal. Period. They are still the property of the government
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:41:53 PM EST
I'll take em off your hands for you
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:42:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/16/2014 3:46:34 PM EST by bradpierson26]
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Originally Posted By walkingllama:
For everyone's edification, sense apparently you do not know. All green ESAPI plates with US markings are stolen. Period. End of story hard evidence right there.
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Since joker has already made an appearance ITT, I'll refrain from name calling but we really appreciate your making definitive legal claims with no link to back it up.
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I'll take this opportunity to but out of this technical conversation.

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Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:46:37 PM EST
Stolen? You paid taxes for that stuff.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:46:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 3:47:35 PM EST
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