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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:34:16 PM EST
Hey all,

Once the AWB sunsets, I'm gonna load up the safe. A .308 semi is tops on my list. I'm thinking an M1A, G3, or DSA FAL Carbine. Since I'm not that bulky (5'5", 135lbs), I'd like the first one to be a soft shooter. Which of these bad boys has the least recoil?

Thanks,
BoB
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 8:41:17 PM EST
My HK91 has very little recoil, but it is one heavy mofo.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:46:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:48:59 PM EST
A Cetme always seemed the least to me.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:07:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 9:25:54 AM EST


From least to most:

-Bushmaster BAR-10 16" Izzy brake
-ArmaLite AR-10(T) 16" bare muzzle
-HK 91
-DSA FAL Carbine

Physics would dictate that the heaviest rifle will have the least total recoil.

What this does not take into consideration is the recoil pulse which feels milder in the gas-operated semi's like the BAR-10 and the AR-10.

For some reason, the FAL recoil just feels "heavier."

HTH
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:24:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:29:07 AM EST
I shot my DSA and my buddy's AR10 and M1A all in the same day using the same ammo. I remember laughing my ass off because my buddy was pissed that my FAL recoiled less than either of his two.

YMMV
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:30:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:39:19 AM EST
HK91, AR10, FAL, CETME, AK.308, M1A... and so on. All of these semi auto .308s have less recoil then a .308 bolt, lever or pump gun. If you can handle a .308 bolt you can handle a semi auto. If I were you I would try to find a well stock gun store, or some well stock friends and handle each of these rifles and see which one fits you best. Also see which rifle fits your budget and needs.
I use my .308s for hunting so the rifle has to fit me, and feel comfortable. For me the HK91 fits my needs, my Dad used to hunt with a HK91 but he has replaced it with a DSA carbine. He likes the DSA balance, size, weight, and gas system. My uncle had long arms so he enjoys the M1A. I am 6'0" 275...I am big boned but the M1A does not fit me. The NM stock is too think and I do not like the long barrel. But now the new M1A SOCOM came out with a black stock and a 16" barrel and that gun fits me like a glove.

So I know there is a lot to think about when buying a new rifle but just look at all of the .308 rifles and see which one fits you the best and then worry about the recoil.

Chris
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 11:12:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By raf:
It's been said that 80% of felt recoil is mental, and my experience bears it out.

If you assume the proper stance, none of the rifles mentioned above will have objectionable recoil. Some may be quicker back on target, but that is another topic.



Don't get me wrong. I'm gonna buy 'em all, but it'll take a few months. I just want to get the one that'll be most enjoyable to me first. Kinda a "more bang for the buck" kinda thing.

BoB
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:31:58 PM EST
Of all the .308's I own the DSA , SA-58 has the softest recoil when you adjust the gas system correctly for the rounds your shooting . On mine shooting Aussie surp , setting 7 cycles 100% . On 8 its about 98% but the bolt never touches the back of the receiver and the recoil is about the same as a AR-15 , if not slightly less .
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 10:47:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 10:49:57 PM EST by Dawg180]

Originally Posted By BoB-O:
Hey all,

Once the AWB sunsets, I'm gonna load up the safe. A .308 semi is tops on my list. I'm thinking an M1A, G3, or DSA FAL Carbine. Since I'm not that bulky (5'5", 135lbs), I'd like the first one to be a soft shooter. Which of these bad boys has the least recoil?

Thanks,
BoB



Suck it up and be a man!

I am about the same build (5'6" and 145 lbs) and have no problem with the recoil from an FAL, especially with a muzzle brake on it. Surplus Australian 7.62mm ammo seems to have a softer recoil than most the "hunting" .308 ammo I have fired through it at least in my minimal experience.

BTW, wouldn't happen to have any experiences with tactical vests and can recommend one for us smaller build guys? I can never seem to find one that fits- they all seem to be made for the guys who can finish two pizzas on their own for dinner!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:19:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 6:21:20 AM EST by dablues]

Surplus Australian 7.62mm ammo seems to have a softer recoil than most the "hunting" .308 ammo


part of that is weight of the bullet, military ammo is 144 to 147 grains, hunting ammo often 168 grains.

Little bullet=little recoil, big bullet=big recoil. Take it to the extreme, that's why I quit hunting using 12 gauge slugs. They just beat the living hell out of me.

I sure do like my AR10! I can shoot it all afternoon. I've no experience with any other .308 rifles like a FAL, but from my limited one month ownership of an AR10, it would get my recommendation.

Here's a link that'll help explain some of this better:

www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:25:47 AM EST
My PTR-91 (hk91 copy) bruises my shoulder every session. That's with only about 20 rounds per shoot.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:39:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:39:57 AM EST by drobs]
My Ohio Rarip Fire FAL carbine has less recoil than my AK. Buddy of mine had a Century built HK, that had a pretty hefty kick to it.

Want to experience some real pain? Shoot one of those bolt action Enfield .308 Jungle Carbines.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:03:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:36:08 PM EST
My experience has been

AR-10A2 or A4 -- Great muzzle brake and fine recoil buffer. these guns are a dream to shoot (although people to both sides of you will feel the wind)
DSA-FAL -- Another good muzzle brake. The adjustable gas valve does help, but it cannot beat the recoil buffer system of the ARs.
AR-10T -- Mine has a pretty significant recoil

and then the unbraked bolt actions, LOL
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 6:14:55 PM EST
I would agree the AR10 with a brake is softer shooting than some of the others mentioned. I have the AR10 and M1A and the AR10 is softer shooting but LOUD.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:15:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By drobs:


Want to experience some real pain? Shoot one of those bolt action Enfield .308 Jungle Carbines.

I have one of those-doesn't really bother me- I hate shooting slug guns though



It's not that bad standing, but from the bench. Ouch. Gave to a friend of mine that likes pain.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:18:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 5:18:37 AM EST by SHIVAN]
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:20:23 AM EST
I'd have to agree the Ar10 is pretty easy on the shoulders, HARD on the ears.
But I dont care about my shoulders.................I like recoil!
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:24:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By gaijin:

From least to most:

-Bushmaster BAR-10 16" Izzy brake
-ArmaLite AR-10(T) 16" bare muzzle
-HK 91
-DSA FAL Carbine

Physics would dictate that the heaviest rifle will have the least total recoil.

What this does not take into consideration is the recoil pulse which feels milder in the gas-operated semi's like the BAR-10 and the AR-10.

For some reason, the FAL recoil just feels "heavier."

HTH



Piston driven...

The AR system gives a 'balanced' in-line recoil impulse, the FAL & AK aren't quite as 'balanced' -> more flip -> more precieved recoil...
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 10:31:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
My PTR-91 (hk91 copy) bruises my shoulder every session. That's with only about 20 rounds per shoot.




I used to own a 91 and it did the same to me. I'm a fairly big guy, 6'6" and 220#, recoil never has bothered me. The only firearms that hurt to shoot over an extended period has been the 91 and a few turkey loads in 12 gauge.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:39:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 12:44:20 PM EST by raf]
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 2:48:51 PM EST
Saiga .308 or other .308 AK types like Vepr, Galil, Valmet or Yugo.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 2:50:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Confederate:
My HK91 has very little recoil, but it is one heavy mofo.



You must be numb. Ever shot an AR10? I've owned a 91 since 1990, and that motherfucker kicks like a mule even with an HK21 buffer and recoil pad.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 2:51:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By drobs:
My Ohio Rarip Fire FAL carbine has less recoil than my AK. Buddy of mine had a Century built HK, that had a pretty hefty kick to it.

Want to experience some real pain? Shoot one of those bolt action Enfield .308 Jungle Carbines.



I have one of those, it's my truck gun. I sent it to a smith this week to have a recoil pad installed..
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 11:27:19 AM EST
Least to most that I've shot

AR10 w/ brake soon to be FH
FAL w/ Brake soon to be FH
M1A FH
HK FH
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 11:46:03 AM EST
the H&k 91 have a most recoil of any 308 rifle unless you add the two stage heavy machine gun buffer and they are not cheap
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 8:49:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:45:50 PM EST
308's........who said 308's? I really like my FR8 for the history of it and because it's light, about 6 1/2lbs, accurate, recoil not too bad.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/F4Dee/FR8b.jpg
But then I like my Saiga with the custom Tac stock I made. Light recoil, extremely accurate, and at 315.00 buckaroos from GunShow room with the original wood furniture........heck of a deal.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/F4Dee/Saiga308.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/F4Dee/Saiga308200yds2.jpg
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:24:03 PM EST
hey a HK51
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 10:57:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 9:19:44 AM EST
Least to most: AR10(SEBR)
PTR91
M1A
FAL STG58 (note: the one I had for some unexpainable reason slammed the shooters cheek hard so it's true recoil was hard to evaluate)
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 10:54:05 AM EST
I have 2 FALs. They are actually pleasant to shoot. But then I shoot .50's all day at work.
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 4:56:10 PM EST
A Cetme with some Brazilian surplus ball, however I must add that it functioned as a straight-pull bolt action.

Keith
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