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Posted: 6/18/2011 10:45:09 PM EDT
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So has there been any news on the XCR M or their folding stock? Nope.....the -M debuted at SHOT in a private hotel room. There's been pics and video released but the gun apparently has not been finalized enough for release though RobArms said it would only be a "few months" until they would be available for sale after February. No news on the stock.....other than it's being tweaked again. Last I heard on price, the -M was going to run $2500+ and the stock would be $250-300. I wouldn't hold my breath....but the -M may be available by end of year....though RA has been saying that for the last 3. |
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Posted: 6/19/2011 4:32:16 AM EDT
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<alex> 2 weeks </alex>
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Posted: 6/19/2011 10:19:08 AM EDT
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Alex took an awesome weapon design and ruined it. I understand that things take time and money to do but why announce it and not release it for years. Then be an all around ass hat to people on the forums.
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Posted: 6/19/2011 4:56:49 PM EDT
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My guess is that the economy being the way it is with the price point of the M being likely higher than the XCR in other calibers that they've decided to dedicate their efforts to the lower cost rifle for now.
Economy sucks. We're not going to see a lot of new expensive firearms this year. 
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Posted: 6/19/2011 6:14:27 PM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that.
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Posted: 6/20/2011 7:14:43 AM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 3:41:07 PM EDT
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<alex> 2 weeks </alex> Beat me to it... Yeah, I have to agree Sean. That's going to be a tough act to follow once jumping into that price realm. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 6:39:49 PM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean  The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.
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Posted: 6/21/2011 8:34:23 PM EDT
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A $2K+ rifle that shoots costly ammunition is not going to be a huge seller this year. He'd be off his rocker to devote much of his resources to producing it.
This is a recession. Think 22 LR not 7.62 NATO. |
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Posted: 6/21/2011 8:40:33 PM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.We've been over this before....while I really like the XCR's design, I can admit it has issues. Sean |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 10:49:51 AM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.We've been over this before....while I really like the XCR's design, I can admit it has issues. Sean We certainly have been over this before. Hence I was suprised when you opened the door again. Evan |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 11:12:45 AM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.We've been over this before....while I really like the XCR's design, I can admit it has issues. Sean We certainly have been over this before. Hence I was suprised when you opened the door again. Evan Yes, but I haven't been over this with the people in this thread.....I meant, you and I had. Feel free to post up your opinions again and I'll do likewise.....although at this point, it's kind of silly to do so considering the -M is still vaporware. Sean |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 2:19:58 PM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 6:16:40 PM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 6:20:03 PM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too
Unfortunately.....that's one of the big things I'd like to see 'fixed' on the XCR-L. The factory folder is a very solid stock....but it sits too low for me personally. Sean |
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Posted: 6/22/2011 7:38:13 PM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too
Unfortunately.....that's one of the big things I'd like to see 'fixed' on the XCR-L. The factory folder is a very solid stock....but it sits too low for me personally. Sean This works well if you don't want the bulk of a CTR with the Cheek Riser when the stock is folded... |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 8:02:38 AM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too
Unfortunately.....that's one of the big things I'd like to see 'fixed' on the XCR-L. The factory folder is a very solid stock....but it sits too low for me personally. Sean This works well if you don't want the bulk of a CTR with the Cheek Riser when the stock is folded... No offense....but that looks like a bag of smashed assholes. 
I made this for my XCRs.... 
They're just a couple of blocks of 6061-T6 that I machined to fit over the top tube on the tube folder.....pretty simple to make if you have access to a mill....but time consuming. ***EDIT*** Here's a better shot of the riser for the XCR that has the micro sights and bolt gun GG&G QD mount with the Leupold....the risers are slightly different depending on if I'm running the standard height AR BUIS and optics mounts or the micros and shorter optic mount. 
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:10:49 AM EDT
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check it out
http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,11285.50.html ACR stock adapter for the XCR |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:26:59 AM EDT
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check it out http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,11285.50.html ACR stock adapter for the XCR Got any top looking down pics on the adapter? The ACR stock is wider than the XCR's receiver from my understanding....just wondering what it looks like from that angle. Sean |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:29:22 AM EDT
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there is a top view pic of this in that thread somewhere.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:48:37 AM EDT
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there is a top view pic of this in that thread somewhere. Got one further out with the whole stock in relation to the receiver? 
This ^ is not bad....but it's hard to get a good idea. Thanks, Sean |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:50:14 AM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too
Unfortunately.....that's one of the big things I'd like to see 'fixed' on the XCR-L. The factory folder is a very solid stock....but it sits too low for me personally. Sean This works well if you don't want the bulk of a CTR with the Cheek Riser when the stock is folded... No offense....but that looks like a bag of smashed assholes.
I made this for my XCRs.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/100_1994.jpg They're just a couple of blocks of 6061-T6 that I machined to fit over the top tube on the tube folder.....pretty simple to make if you have access to a mill....but time consuming. ***EDIT*** Here's a better shot of the riser for the XCR that has the micro sights and bolt gun GG&G QD mount with the Leupold....the risers are slightly different depending on if I'm running the standard height AR BUIS and optics mounts or the micros and shorter optic mount. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/100_1995.jpg Sean I promise not to take offense if you promise to start selling copies of those cheek risers. Very well done. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:58:20 AM EDT
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Personally, I like the looks of what you did with your stock. I just wanted to make another option available for me, as well as others. I plan on getting some quotes within a week or two and depending on the quotes, may offer them for sale to the general public xcr fan.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:59:07 AM EDT
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I do not have any pics "farther out" but will see what i can do about getting one.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 11:19:09 AM EDT
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Personally, I like the looks of what you did with your stock. I just wanted to make another option available for me, as well as others. I plan on getting some quotes within a week or two and depending on the quotes, may offer them for sale to the general public xcr fan. Personally, the risers I made are just band-aides....and not particularly good ones as they do nothing to account for differing optics heights and have no adjustability for length of pull. The ACR stock has both of these issues fixed....if you can bring an adapter to market that will work for a reasonable price. I wish you much success....depending on the price, I may buy one or two but I may also wait for the RA version. For the time being, my major issue with the RA tube folder is solved....I'd still like adjustability in the LOP and the riser height, but what I have will work for now so I can afford to wait. My biggest problem with the factory folder was the inconsistent cheek weld....and my risers solved that. From what I'm reading about the latest version of the new RA wonder stock....it's going to be substantially thicker than the 7/8" that the folder is....and if that's the case, I'll probably pass. Oh, if you're going to take more pics....can you post some with the stock folded? I'm curious as to access to controls as well as clearing the ejection port. Thanks, Sean |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 11:19:55 AM EDT
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Someone on the XCRforum was told today by phoning RA that the -M was not expected to be in production for 5 more months. JFYI for the OP. That probably goes for the new stock too
Unfortunately.....that's one of the big things I'd like to see 'fixed' on the XCR-L. The factory folder is a very solid stock....but it sits too low for me personally. Sean This works well if you don't want the bulk of a CTR with the Cheek Riser when the stock is folded... No offense....but that looks like a bag of smashed assholes.
I made this for my XCRs.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/100_1994.jpg They're just a couple of blocks of 6061-T6 that I machined to fit over the top tube on the tube folder.....pretty simple to make if you have access to a mill....but time consuming. ***EDIT*** Here's a better shot of the riser for the XCR that has the micro sights and bolt gun GG&G QD mount with the Leupold....the risers are slightly different depending on if I'm running the standard height AR BUIS and optics mounts or the micros and shorter optic mount. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/blt4rox/100_1995.jpg Sean I promise not to take offense if you promise to start selling copies of those cheek risers. Very well done. Love to....but got laid off and have no access to a mill or lathe now.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 11:30:19 AM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.Ya mean like RAs outstanding customer service? Seriously.... why would ANYONE buy an XCR-M over a SCAR-17 if they are close tot he same price point? |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 11:58:31 AM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.Ya mean like RAs outstanding customer service? Seriously.... why would ANYONE buy an XCR-M over a SCAR-17 if they are close tot he same price point? I can think of a couple advantages of the -M over the 17s....non-proprietary mags, better (IMO) ergos in some regards (bolt release, non-reciprocating and better located charging handle for right handers, short throw safety...not sure if SCAR uses a 45º or 90º throw), more spare parts availability through the dealer network, IMO a more robust bolt/op-rod assembly..... But you're right....for the price point, SCAR gives you a lightweight .308, has a every ergonomic stock, has been field tested and doesn't use a lot of bolts that can come loose, comes with very good BUIS from the factory included in the price, has great out of the box accuracy and a good quality bbl and is made by a large manufacturer unlikely to fold up shop or stop supporting the product line..... Which is again why the XCR-M should be retailing for around $2K, not $2500 IMO. Sean |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:31:19 PM EDT
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stock folded. There is room for your hand, unless you are a gorilla. We just finished the second version, assembled it and have been playing with it not more than 10 minutes ago. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:48:57 PM EDT
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http://i827.photobucket.com/albums/zz193/ezed1041/stock095.jpg stock folded. There is room for your hand, unless you are a gorilla. We just finished the second version, assembled it and have been playing with it not more than 10 minutes ago. It doesn't *look* like you can get to the trigger at all (unless you extend the stock).....can you with the stock collapsed? ***EDIT*** Nevermind....you said you could in the XCR forum thread. Sean |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 4:19:33 PM EDT
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I love my XCR, but $2,500 plus... fuck that. What sucks more is that Alex told everyone it would be "a couple hundred more than the -L".....At right around $1625-1725 retail, that should have put the -M under $2K. At that price, it's a good deal. Above that....frankly, it needs to be offering the features and accuracy of the POF, LWRC, SCAR 17S, LMT, OSR, etc. JMO, Sean The M has features that those rifles don't so you are really just trading one thing for another.Ya mean like RAs outstanding customer service? Seriously.... why would ANYONE buy an XCR-M over a SCAR-17 if they are close tot he same price point? I can think of a couple advantages of the -M over the 17s....non-proprietary mags, better (IMO) ergos in some regards (bolt release, non-reciprocating and better located charging handle for right handers, short throw safety...not sure if SCAR uses a 45º or 90º throw), more spare parts availability through the dealer network, IMO a more robust bolt/op-rod assembly..... But you're right....for the price point, SCAR gives you a lightweight .308, has a every ergonomic stock, has been field tested and doesn't use a lot of bolts that can come loose, comes with very good BUIS from the factory included in the price, has great out of the box accuracy and a good quality bbl and is made by a large manufacturer unlikely to fold up shop or stop supporting the product line..... Which is again why the XCR-M should be retailing for around $2K, not $2500 IMO. Sean You stated just about everything I would have. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:28:52 PM EDT
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You stated just about everything I would have. Well, I certainly don't want to give anyone the impression I don't like the XCR....I think it's a great platform.....but as with anything, it could be improved. The one thing that is a constant problem with RA though is the customer service....it's just a horribly weak point and is likely the thing holding the platform back more than any other single factor. Unfortunately, with Alex Robinson at the helm....that will not likely change. Sean |
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