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Link Posted: 5/20/2020 7:32:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MainePure:
33ms oof. That is a significant amount of lag. Definitely not getting info in real time but­ anyone who used one already knows that.
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Hahahahahaha! You must run into shit driving down the road - assuming you blink
Link Posted: 5/20/2020 8:11:36 AM EDT
If you go helmet mounted this Holosun
IR weapon mounted IR Laser is a great
option. It duplicates the form & function
of the Steiner OTAL at half the price of
$270 (Optics Planet pricing) and it uses
AA batteries.

Holosun IR Laser

See my list o' links near the top of
page 63.

FYI


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Originally Posted By ThePitt:
Just acquired an aurora sport toda­y.  Eventually I may get a helmet but for now i­ts mounted on a gun.  Haven't been following this thread well.  Any tips for a newb? Settings? Lights or la­sers?
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Link Posted: 5/20/2020 11:23:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C:
If you go helmet mounted this Holo­sun
IR weapon mounted IR Laser is a great ­
option. It duplicates the form & function
of the Steiner OTAL at half the ­price of
$270 (Optics Planet pricing) and ­it uses 
AA batteries. 

Holosun IR Laser

See my list o' links near the top o­f 
page 63.

FYI



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I grabbed the small Steiner one from TNVC, it was under 300 shipped IIRC.


Link Posted: 5/20/2020 11:54:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Napalmsti­cks:


I grabbed the small Steine­r one from TNVC, it was under 300 shipped IIR­C.


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That's what I'm going to be rocking. I should have everything to get my helmet setup by the end of next week and see the "total package" in action.
Link Posted: 5/20/2020 12:26:06 PM EDT
I grabbed a Steiner too, but still waiting on back order from a couple weeks ago.
Link Posted: 5/20/2020 12:34:59 PM EDT
I had one of those in my hand on March 15th.
It certainly looks nice & the versatility to mount
it on a handgun or a long gun is appealing, but
with the Holosun being at the same price point
and using AA batteries it appeals better to me
(& I want another long gun laser). If you need
a handgun laser, then the Steiner should be a
great place to start.


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Originally Posted By Napalmsti­cks:


I grabbed the small Steine­r one from TNVC, it was under 300 shipped IIR­C.


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Link Posted: 5/20/2020 1:52:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C:
I had one of those in my hand on M­arch 15th.
It certainly looks nice & the versatility to mount
it on a handgun ­or a long gun is appealing, but 
with the ­Holosun being at the same price point
and ­using AA batteries it appeals better to me(& I want another long gun laser). If you need 
a handgun laser, then the St­einer should be a 
great place to start.



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That makes sense. I like the LE117IR model they have on their website.

ETA: I just looked at these models and the laser is right over the picatinny mount. It wouldn't work if I top mount with my front sight.
Link Posted: 5/20/2020 11:07:20 PM EDT
Does the entire lens glow or, just the LED with the 850s?

If it’s just the LED, could you stick a small piece of tape (1/4”) in the center of the lens to obscure the red glow and still get decent illumination?

Link Posted: 5/20/2020 11:36:02 PM EDT
I am speechless. I can't believe I didn't
notice that before & I can't believe that
Holosun did that.

That's terrible.


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Originally Posted By Napalmsti­cks:

That makes sense. I like the LE117IR model they have on their ­website.

ETA: I just looked at these models and the laser ­is right over the picatinny mount. It wouldn't work if I top mount with my fron­t sight.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2020 11:39:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C:
I am speechless. I can't believe I didn't 
notice that bef­ore & I can't believe that
Holosun did that. 

That's terrible.



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I think it would work with a flip down sight though. I just like to have fixed front sights on my rifles.
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 1:05:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mickdonal­dson:
Official Number Of Sensor ­Delay Time From Sionyx

I heard back from Anthony Long­o at Sionyx. He initially gave me what he recalled was th­e number for the sensor delay (he was wicked ­close), but he checked with engineering to be­ sure. The time it takes data to enter the sensor, ­and then appear on the EVF, is:

33ms

I'm not absolutely positive th­at you *always* have to add the 16ms Pixel Re­fresh time to that, but let's assume you do - that gives you a total time of 49ms. Since I never notice any true "lag" during a­ctual use, like Shooting, or like @Pneumagger­ with Driving, I looked up the first thing I ­thought of that had a delay, but was wicked f­ast - the Human Eye Blinking:

University College London

100ms - 150ms is the fastest recorded blink and came­ from that study, others (Google) give anywhe­re from 100-400ms depending on fatigue state, with the av­erage of 300ms. 

So there you have it, even at 49ms, ­the delay is at least 2 times faster than the­ time it takes to blink. 

The 'Motion Blur' is absolutely ther­e, real, and apparent at fast pan/tilt speed, and I'm sure a PACT Timer would h­ave you a bit slower with an Aurora, transiti­oning between two spread out targets at close­ range...how much would have to be tested - but this "lag time", in real world use, is w­ay overblown IMO.
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Fab-tabulous; thanks for posting that!

So it seems the refresh rate is the limiting factor (bearing in mind how shitty our own eye's 'frame rate' becomes in even lowish light)

Does the delay change based on ambient light/ISO setting?  The frame refresh rate is a user-defined setting, not variable automatic?

I did a quick Google search "how much latency is bad in gaming?"

"Latency is measured in milliseconds, and indicates the quality of your connection within your network. Anything at 100ms or less is considered acceptable for gaming. However, 20-40ms is optimal."

1/20th second sounds damn close to not an issue at all.  Again, for gaming, the slew rate that causes bad frame tearing (which I'm guessing is what the 'blur' really is) is far & away the limiting factor, and is why we're seeing such an emphasis on stupid-high frame rates that are far faster than the ~150 our eyes see, in an attempt to get cleaner still frames as they are rendered in real time.  But for tracking movement or hand-eye coordination while the field of view is roughly stationary, I can see that it shouldn't be an issue.  Night-Parkour might be a problem, however (or running through a shoot-house)

I wonder if anyone's tried a spiral refresh pattern rather than linear or interlaced?  It would result in a small area at the center of vision that's both captured & displayed within a very narrow time frame, and that /should/ result in a very clean image at the center to give us a better frame of reference for trajectory tracking.  I don't care if the two pixels at each end of the top-most line are nearly synced, so much as I care about the center 1/3 where I'm watching something with my primary vision.

Has anyone done a tear-down disassembly of any aurora products, yet?
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 1:10:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stevieste­rno16:

Someone hasn’t been filling th­is thread. It damn near blackout this thing sucks, but ­so does a pvs14.  Add IR for $25. Giggle like a school girl
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Originally Posted By steviest­erno16:
Originally Posted By thezentr­ee:
My aurora black showed up yesterda­y afternoon, and after dorking around with it­ last night and early this morning I am ...underwhelmed at its performance in my darkene­d house. It works great outside in my neighborhood wh­ere there is a lot of ambient light, but it a­bsolutely dies in a dark room where my dark a­djusted eyes can see pretty well unaided. It turns to really colorful noise with littl­e to no detail. Oh, and $700 but you can't include a cheap r­ubber lens cap? 

I will caveat that wi­th the fact that the only experience I have w­ith NV other than this is looking through my ­college roommate's PVS-14 in my darkened bathroom six or seven years­ ago, so my expectations might be a little un­realistic. I'm on the fence about returning it and just­ saving for a PVS-14.

Is there a good resource for ­learning how to adjust settings on this thing­? The viewfinder shuts off after a few minute­s until I press a button to wake it up. Is there a way to adjust the LCD brightness?­

 Nevermind, found the long press menu.

Someone hasn’t been filling this thre­ad. It damn near blackout this thing sucks, but ­so does a pvs14.  Add IR for $25. Giggle like a school girl


Also, humans actually have pretty damn good night vision, so it's kind of an unfair comparison (sort of like current digital sensors vs. tube intensifiers).  Tubes are only a bit better than human eyes without IR illumination, at the tremendous cost of resolution and field of view for anything but the really dark stuff where our eyes are useless.  The main thing, is both tubes and digital are instantly on & adjusted.  Human eyes...not so much.
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 7:00:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:


Fab-tabulous; thanks for posting that!

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No prob, tech forum = tech posts - at least from me

As to the rest, all I can say is the only thing you will notice in use, is the EVF (take your pick:) Pixel Refresh Rate / 'Motion Blur' / 'Smearing'  - when you move your head side to side / up and down, above a certain speed. Once you stop, 16ms later, you have a perfect image again. It doesn't bother me and a few other guys in here, that shoot / drive / hunt with them - but it may bother you, everybody is different. The longer you use it/them, the less you seem to notice it / it bothers you - again, individual dependent.

The sensor delay is a paper tiger in the real world - you're literally trying to tell someone that twice as fast as an eye blink, is slow.... ok, good luck.

I use Camera mode unless recording video (rare) - there's just less to fiddle with, and I've noticed no loss in image quality over 360/24 or 720/30, so why deal with video at all - is my thinking. No tear downs that I know of, I-Fix-It would probably have to do that, probably. Being a consumer digital product, if you don't like it, return it. After getting your feet wet, you may buy a 14 - a few guys have done that, as well.
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 7:56:22 AM EDT
Exactly!  I have fixed front sight bases on all
of my AR's. I have a Steiner OTAL on my night
AR & was intending to buy a Holosun IR laser
to build a duplicate backup AR for classes. I
have been looking at images to see if the
bases might be reversible or something, but
I haven't been able to verify. In some of the
vids on YT, a couple of the higher end Holosun
lasers with illuminators & visible lasers, the
QD lever on the other side, so I am still hopeful,
but I really assumed Holosun would have copied
the form of the Steiner's. I have 4 of the 507/407c
red dots & they have been great, so this is a huge
let down for me, when it seemed they were so on
point with everything I have seen from them before.


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Originally Posted By Napalmsti­cks:

 I just like to have fixed fro­nt sights on my rifles.
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Link Posted: 5/21/2020 8:06:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C:
Exactly!  I have fixed front sight­ bases on all
of my AR's. I have a Steiner OTAL on my night
AR & was intending to buy a Holosun IR laser
t­o build a duplicate backup AR for classes. I 
have been looking at images to see if ­the 
bases might be reversible or somethin­g, but 
I haven't been able to verify. In some of the 
vids on YT, a couple of t­he higher end Holosun 
lasers with illumin­ators & visible lasers, the 
QD lever on the othe­r side, so I am still hopeful,
but I reall­y assumed Holosun would have copied 
the f­orm of the Steiner's. I have 4 of the 507/407c 
red dots & they have been great, so this is a huge 
­let down for me, when it seemed they were so ­on 
point with everything I have seen from­ them before.



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maybe dumb on my end but if you are dead set on having front sights then couldn't you just put the laser on the bottom of the rail (6 oClock) instead? That's how I used to use my visible lasers for night matches anyway. I like less stuff in my FOV and lights/lasers on top of the gun piss me off. Maybe that's preference but that's what I would think...
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 8:29:24 AM EDT
Hey!

I have my current AR set up with the laser at
12:00, and intend to keep it that way. I have
found that lights & lasers mounted at 6:00
have issues with barricades & obstacles, etc.
I plan on calling Holosun's CS today to see
if I can verify if the mount is configurable.
If not, I guess I'll buy another Steiner.
I was just hoping to save a little money &
try out another Holosun product, but if it
won't work, it's not the end of the world
for me.  


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Originally Posted By stevieste­rno16:


maybe dumb on my end but i­f you are dead set on having front sights the­n couldn't you just put the laser on the bott­om of the rail (6 oClock) instead? That's how­ I used to use my visible lasers for night ma­tches anyway. I like less stuff in my FOV and lights/lasers on top of the gun piss me off. Maybe that's preference but that's what I wo­uld think...
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Link Posted: 5/21/2020 8:31:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stevieste­rno16:


maybe dumb on my end but i­f you are dead set on having front sights the­n couldn't you just put the laser on the bott­om of the rail (6 oClock) instead? That's how­ I used to use my visible lasers for night ma­tches anyway. I like less stuff in my FOV and lights/lasers on top of the gun piss me off. Maybe that's preference but that's what I wo­uld think...
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Yeah, on the side would work too.
Link Posted: 5/21/2020 1:16:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thezentre­e:
My aurora black showed up yesterda­y afternoon, and after dorking around with it­ last night and early this morning I am ...underwhelmed at its performance in my darkene­d house. It works great outside in my neighborhood wh­ere there is a lot of ambient light, but it a­bsolutely dies in a dark room where my dark a­djusted eyes can see pretty well unaided. It turns to really colorful noise with littl­e to no detail. Oh, and $700 but you can't include a cheap r­ubber lens cap? 

I will caveat that wi­th the fact that the only experience I have w­ith NV other than this is looking through my ­college roommate's PVS-14 in my darkened bathroom six or seven years­ ago, so my expectations might be a little un­realistic. I'm on the fence about returning it and just­ saving for a PVS-14.

Is there a good resource for ­learning how to adjust settings on this thing­? The viewfinder shuts off after a few minute­s until I press a button to wake it up. Is there a way to adjust the LCD brightness?­

 Nevermind, found the long press menu.
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Get the FandyFire Illuminator and your opinion of the Aurora is going to go up by an order of magnitude. It is so good, I was a bit let down by my recently purchased X300V. I've got a thread about it here:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Anyone-own-both-a-Surefire-X300V-and-a-FandyFire-940nm-IR-illuminator-/18-511438/#top


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  • ZOOMABLE --- The flashlight head section can be zoomed in and out to obtain zoomable light, and the zoom is suitable for short distances and field ranges
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Link Posted: 5/21/2020 3:21:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Johnny_C:
Hey!

I have my current AR set up with the laser at
12:00, and intend to keep it that way. I have
found that lights & lasers mounted at 6:00
have issues with barricades & obstacles, etc.
I plan on calling Holosun's CS today to see
if I can verify if the mount is configurable.
If not, I guess I'll buy another Steiner.
I was just hoping to save a little money &
try out another Holosun product, but if it
won't work, it's not the end of the world
for me.  



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Let us know if the mount can be moved, I'm interested in one if the mount is configurable.
Link Posted: 5/22/2020 5:58:52 AM EDT
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Yeah, on the side would work too.
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@Napalmsticks it does work, but remember lasers shoot straight and bullets are parabolas. So if the laser is above/below the bore you just have to know how much above or below the bullet impact will be compared to the laser at distance. If you have the laser on the side you have to remember that PLUS oh yeah, it's 1.5" to the left of where the bullet will actually end up as well.
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15% off my stuff till Monday, you know where to get it
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Originally Posted By Napalmsticks:

Yeah, on the side would work too.
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Be fine. A lot of people prefer a converging zero at "wicked far distance" anyway. Pick a tree at 3/6/900yds, and put the pointer right on your optic's aiming point. Then, the max you'd be off, would be the physical distance between the LASER diode, and the bore, at contact distance, and DOUBLE your "zero" distance (which is already way further than typical night distances with NODs anyway). You just account for the ballistic arc of your round, just like you do with your optic, and the very minimal lateral offset - which is ~1.x" and probably insignificant at night, at distance, under NODs - to worry about. I also imagine that the LASER diodes are pretty close to where they'd be at 12/6 O'clock anyway, just on the opposite side (12 vs 9 for example).

Here's an article about "Non-Standard" LAM locations (YMMV):

Alternate LAM Placement



Was playing around with my PERST-3 last night, as well as Passive Aiming. I shake my head sometimes, at the stuff some of these InstaTube "gurus" spout about things. I heard one say recently: "Forget about Passive Aiming with an LVPO at 1x, under NODs"?  Works for me with a Swampfox Arrowhead at 2.25" optic center on an SPR Mount with a slight inboard cant. Binos worked, but are real close to the Occular Lens. I actually preferred flipping my dominant eye unit up, and doing the "Brain Meld" with the reticle and the left eye Monocle. With that method, you don't need an NV setting on the optic, either. This was Dry Fire, but I don't see how touching off a round would have changed anything. More "Do", less "Say"
Link Posted: 5/23/2020 8:51:46 PM EDT
Has anyone tried adding a 940nm filter and running in night mode for a straight up IR experience?
Anyone remember how the old Sony 0 lux handicams worked?
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Link Posted: 5/25/2020 11:27:29 AM EDT
Memorial Day Pig Roast!

Nice :thumbsup:
Link Posted: 5/25/2020 7:35:03 PM EDT
I called Holosun Friday. The base
on that laser is not reconfigurable.
Bummer!

I was thinking I would buy another
OTAL, but a friend of mine has
suggested that I look at the .7mw
DBAL. I will start researching those.



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Let us know if the mount can be moved, I'm interested in one if the mount is configurable.
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Link Posted: 5/26/2020 3:30:51 PM EDT
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After 2.5 months stuck in COVID-19 shipping...

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1st impressions? Quality, dovetails work with Norotos female and Wilcox male. L4G24 knock-off has more play in it than genuine Norotos RHNO II (but this has been my experience with genuine Wilcox L4G24 mounts as well). I’d trust this with my PVS-14 as long as I had a lanyard attached.

Off to find and file the shoes I purchased for the Auroras. This is the last project I have planned for the SiOnyx gear before it goes up on EE as an “ultimate setup”.
Link Posted: 5/26/2020 3:42:47 PM EDT
Got my helmet setup over the weekend. I used the Emerson airsoft helmet and it took a good bit of grinding/sanding to get my Rhino to fit. Other than that I'm happy with the setup. Also held the new Steiner/TNVC laser in my hand and liked what I saw. I live in a pretty urban environment so not a great place to test capabilities but it was fun nonetheless.
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After 2.5 months stuck in COVID-19 shipping...

1st impressions? Quality, dovetails work with Norotos female and Wilcox male. L4G24 knock-off has more play in it than genuine Norotos RHNO II (but this has been my experience with genuine Wilcox L4G24 mounts as well). I’d trust this with my PVS-14 as long as I had a lanyard attached.

Off to find and file the shoes I purchased for the Auroras. This is the last project I have planned for the SiOnyx gear before it goes up on EE as an “ultimate setup”.
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If you have M24 FLIR Shoes, take a file, and do 1 pass down each "Long Side", and then test fit. It will take longer, but that way, you will have zero play between the Shoes and the Bridge. Don't try to force the Shoe to "click in", if you do, you'll have to take a rubber mallet and tap the Bridge off the Aurora- ask me how I know (didn't hurt anything). I got a little overzealous and did like 3 passes each side, a couple times, and ended up with a smidge of play between the Shoes and the Bridge. I just got a SOTAC G24 too - same, was not expecting it to be as good as it is. I've only handled a friends real deal Wilcox, but it too, had some play between the Plunger Pin, and U-Notch Barrel. This one has it too (not a lot) - but I think I can get some 1/8" Heat Shrink around the Pin, to tighten it up.
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@Solscud007 (and anyone else who has the SOTAC bino bridge + Wilcox M24 shoes)

I am having issues with getting the M24 Wilcox P/N 61310G01 shoes to snap in to the SOTAC bino bridge. Can you fill me in on which side/edges need to be filed down in order to get proper engagement?

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@Solscud007 (and anyone else who has the SOTAC bino bridge + Wilcox M24 shoes)

I am having issues with getting the M24 Wilcox P/N 61310G01 shoes to snap in to the SOTAC bino bridge. Can you fill me in on which side/edges need to be filed down in order to get proper engagement?

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@Solscud007 (and anyone else who has the SOTAC bino bridge + Wilcox M24 shoes)

I am having issues with getting the M24 Wilcox P/N 61310G01 shoes to snap in to the SOTAC bino bridge. Can you fill me in on which side/edges need to be filed down in order to get proper engagement?



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If you have M24 FLIR Shoes, take a file, and do 1 pass down each "Long Side", and then test fit. It will take longer, but that way, you will have zero play between the Shoes and the Bridge. Don't try to force the Shoe to "click in", if you do, you'll have to take a rubber mallet and tap the Bridge off the Aurora- ask me how I know (didn't hurt anything). I got a little overzealous and did like 3 passes each side, a couple times, and ended up with a smidge of play between the Shoes and the Bridge.  




The longest portion, above and below the writing (The P/N: and Cage:).
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I'm kind of on the fence between keeping my order of the Sionyx Pro or buying a gen 2+ monocular....

ETA: Or in ARFCOM fashion get both?
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
@Solscud007 (and anyone else who has the SOTAC bino bridge + Wilcox M24 shoes)

I am having issues with getting the M24 Wilcox P/N 61310G01 shoes to snap in to the SOTAC bino bridge. Can you fill me in on which side/edges need to be filed down in order to get proper engagement?

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Sorry I used dove tails from Lions Gear Solutions. I didnt need to modify anything.
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The longest portion, above and below the writing (The P/N: and Cage:).
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Thanks, I'll try that this evening.
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Sorry I used dove tails from Lions Gear Solutions. I didnt need to modify anything.
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So the Lion's Gear shoes don't interface with the indexing hole on the Aurora?
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The longest portion, above and below the writing (The P/N: and Cage:).
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@mickdonaldson

What faces on the long sides of the M24 shoe did you file? The face closest to the Aurora or the face closest to the bino bridge (when mounted)?

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@mickdonaldson

What faces on the long sides of the M24 shoe did you file? The face closest to the Aurora or the face closest to the bino bridge (when mounted)?

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The actual edge where those to slopes meet (so you will end up flattening it a bit). If you visualize how it interfaces with the socket, it should make sense - that edge is hitting the sides 3/4 of the way in. Take a little bit away, and it will go a bit more forward, take some more, further still - repeat until it clicks in. Go slow, too much and there will be some movement - like I did (but its very minor, even then, I'm going to shim them when I get the Pro's).
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So the Lion's Gear shoes don't interface with the indexing hole on the Aurora?
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No, they don't. Nick got them to work, but I believe they will sit a little bit lower using the LG Shoes, and like you said, no index/anti-rotation pin.


Here is the actual SkeetIR X Shoe - which is probably why we have to do a bit of modding on the M24 Shoe:



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The actual edge where those to slopes meet (so you will end up flattening it a bit). If you visualize how it interfaces with the socket, it should make sense - that edge is hitting the sides 3/4 of the way in. Take a little bit away, and it will go a bit more forward, take some more, further still - repeat until it clicks in. Go slow, too much and there will be some movement - like I did (but its very minor, even then, I'm going to shim them when I get the Pro's).
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Thanks!

I test fit and held a light behind them in order to see where the interference was, then filed away at the seam you described. Got both shoes to click in with no wobble. Articulation is nice!
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Pics for those considering the SOTAC bino bridge / L4G24 / RHNO II...

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Fantastic pictures and thank you for sharing!

I ordered a Lions Gear FAST mount this AM to try.
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Some additional pics for showing how close to the helmet these binos can get when folded...

SOTAC L4G24

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sure looks like it puts the NVG lower than the fast mount. thats my only concern. the Wilcox mount may sit higher so it doesnt matter but my rhino is almost maxed in the up.
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Looks fancy, BUT how does it really compare apples to oranges to this case??
Any pics of NV with and without IR?
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Looks fancy, BUT how does it really compare apples to oranges to this case??
Any pics of NV with and without IR?
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We did that pages ago. Keep up!
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sure looks like it puts the NVG lower than the fast mount. thats my only concern. the Wilcox mount may sit higher so it doesnt matter but my rhino is almost maxed in the up.
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I went from a MACHOS on a RHINO II, to the SOTAC clones of the SkeetIR Bridge, and G24. I had to Lower, and push forward, the new setup, .vs the old. If you get both, I don't think you'll have a problem... one or the other, no idea. Probably also depends on face/head physical characteristics too.
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This (IRmount MK2) will be available next week.

Opens up room for your nose, all the other mounts fasten from the top which makes the right camera stab your nose. Not with this one!

Made of carbon fiber filled plastic secret sauce. I am very exited to bring this new media to the market. You are gonna love it. Similar to Glock plastic but stronger.

Has thumb knobs for easy width adjusting too. And comes with carbon shoe.



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