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Posted: 5/9/2002 4:21:21 PM EDT
I am putting together a short (35” overall, 16.5” barrel), light (5.75 lbs.), urban (223) bolt-action gun. The range of operation will be up to 75 yards (maximum 100).
The rifle has no iron sights. I am considering one of the following scopes:

Leupold Tactical VX-II 3-9x40 Duplex Reticle, Target Knobs, 12.0 oz. $315
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 32.3(3x) 14.0(9x)

Leupold Compact 3-9 x 33 Duplex Reticle, 8.8 oz. $310
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 34.0(3x) 13.5(9)

Leupold VX-II 2-7 x 33 Duplex Reticle, 10.5 oz. $260
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 42.5(2x) 17.8(7x)

Leupold VX-II 1-4 x 20 Duplex Reticle, 9.0 oz. $240
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 75.0(1x) 28.5(4x)

What do you think?
Or would you recommend a different scope?

Please respond in detail.
Thank you,
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:28:22 PM EDT

I really like the sound of your project. While most people here drool over semi-auto rifles and I too have a place in my heart for them, I really love the idea of a short, light-weight bolt gun. Just out of curiosity, could you tell me more about this rifle? Is it factory original or did you have to get a gunsmith to cut and recrown the barrel for you? I would be interested in putting together a little rifle like that myself. I only wish they made a modern rifle to the specs you mentioned that would load from a stripper clip......I would ditch many of the semi's then. Love bolt guns.

Anyway, getting to your question now.....if your rifle/carbine is going to see a maximum range of 100 yards, get a scope that offers maximum field of view. Magnification isn't that important here so I would rule out the 3-9x40. It would be overkill. Anything with 3x magnification should be good here.

There are many options here and I am not going to get into all the different brands...as most of the name brands should work well. Base your choice on field of view, clarity and whatever reticle you like most. Heck, even a red dot type of scope used on many AR's might suit your needs perfectly.

Since you have chosen a top maker, it appears scope cost isn't a factor here and that's good. You might also look at some night vision capable scope. The military has a system of changing optics from day to night as needed and evidently with minimal loss of zero. Might be worth looking into also. That way your "urban" gun will have 24 hr capability.

Keep us posted on this project, as it sounds like something I would very much like to get in on myself. Good luck in your optics search.
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:37:07 PM EDT
Ruger M77 Mark II Compact:

short (35” overall, 16.5” barrel), light (5.75 lbs.)

Link Posted: 5/9/2002 5:44:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 5:46:10 PM EDT by cnatra]

Originally Posted By FRIZ:

Leupold VX-II 1-4 x 20 Duplex Reticle, 9.0 oz. $240
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 75.0(1x) 28.5(4x)

for what you want I'd get that one, light weight with a good field of view, maybe the 2x7
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:13:04 PM EDT

Nice choice. I do like the Ruger firearms, always had great luck with them. I'll have to look into getting one of those as a short, compact and lightweight rifle.

Also just had another idea for those who would like such a gun...but either can't own or don't care for semi-autos. That would be the lever action Marlin carbines. I think they can be bought in .357 and even .44 Magnum or 45 Colt now. While a rifle cartridge would be better, a pistol cartridge such as these should work well at closer ranges. They would also offer a bit faster loading than a bolt gun as well. Just keep stuffing rounds into it.

Uh oh! Now I have just started two more projects I will have to finish! Gosh, this gun stuff is a costly and expensive hobby! Ooops, also made the mistake of looking at the Savage scout rifle! LOL, make that three projects! Wait, I know....I can get a .44 magnum Marlin, a .223 or .243 Ruger MK II Compact and a .308 caliber Savage Scout carbine! That's just enough variety to justify the cost. LOL.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 2:03:28 PM EDT
FRIZ, if you are fairly sure that you will not be shooting at targets beyond 100 yards, have you given any thought to a fixed-power scope? SWFA lists 8 Leupold fixed-power scopes in their current ad. A couple of good examples would be:

4X33 Matte, Duplex- $240
6X42 Matte, Duplex- $310

A fixed power scope would probably be lighter and definitely less prone to failure.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 3:30:05 PM EDT
Thank you for your advice.
Link Posted: 5/10/2002 6:44:32 PM EDT
For the use you're planning get either a 21/2 or 3 power Leupold, or the 1x4 variable (are you sure it's not 1.5x5?). I've got one of the 3x units and a 1.5x5, both of which I've had for years, used everywhere from a deer stand to a high power range, both of which are as good as the day I bought them. You can't go wrong either way,

P.S.: In a previous post on another issue I inadvertently typed "Fritz" as your handle. My apologies. FRIZ it is.
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