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Posted: 1/9/2005 2:27:06 AM EDT
Anyone hear anything about this shotgun. I'm very interested in it.

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Nikkels.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:00:57 AM EDT
Isn't the 9.5" barrel going to be a problem?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:23:15 AM EDT
Why would it be?

Nikkels
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:10:30 PM EDT
It will not be a problem if your local police will sign off on it, if you pass the Background check by ATF
and pey the $5 tax stamp. And of course where ever you go with it you must carry a copy of the paper work and tax stamp. They used one simular to this the last seasons on Miami Vice. It is of course a very limited usage CQB weapon.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 4:15:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 4:19:07 AM EDT by BLY]

Originally Posted By OKLA-LAWMAN:
It will not be a problem if your local police will sign off on it, if you pass the Background check by ATF
and pey the $5 tax stamp. And of course where ever you go with it you must carry a copy of the paper work and tax stamp. They used one simular to this the last seasons on Miami Vice. It is of course a very limited usage CQB weapon.



Not necessarily.
We had a thread about this some time ago and IIRC, if it comes from the factory with a pistol grip installed, it is legally considered a pistol. So, you can buy it just the same as any other pistol - No extra paperwork.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 7:50:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BLY:
Not necessarily.



That gun is an AOW. Says so right on the front page of the website.

Similar to this one:

Serbu Super Shorty
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:22:28 AM EDT
I don't understand, what's AOW?

Link Posted: 1/11/2005 1:50:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HottNikkels069:
I don't understand, what's AOW?



Here's an explanation from the Serbu site:

NFA stands for the National Firearms Act, which was passed by Congress in 1934. The NFA provides for the registration and tax of certain types of weapons: machine guns, silencers, short-barreled rifles, sawed-off shotguns and gadget guns (which are considered to be AOWs- Any Other Weapon. Obviously, the BFG-50 rifle is NOT an NFA weapon, though there are bills in Congress working to change that). The popular story is that the NFA was passed to help curb the violence of the "Roaring '20s", brought about mostly because of Prohibition. Anyone who knows anything about the way our Federal Government works will realize that with the ending of Prohibition in 1933, something had to be done with all those Treasury agents, and enforcing a new batch of bogus laws was just the ticket. The $200 tax levied by the NFA ($5 for AOWs) was, in 1934, an incredibly large sum. Now it's mostly an annoyance. The bottom line is that yes, you can buy a machine gun, silencer, or other similarly evil weapon (that's a joke, of course...evil is not a trait which objects can possess), provided that you live in a state which allows them. You'll have to jump through a few hoops and pay the tax, but at least you can still buy this stuff. So here is a step-by step guide for buying an NFA item from Serbu Firearms, Inc.:

1) Make sure the item you want is legal in your state. Some states ban all NFA weapons, some ban just certain types.

2) Contact a local Class 3 dealer or Class 2 manufacturer and find out what needs to be done in your state in order to purchase an NFA item.

3) Make sure you can get a sign off. This is the major snag to buying an NFA item. To complete your BATF paperwork (BATF Form 4) which transfers the NFA item to you, you'll need the signature of a local law enforcement chief. Not just a street cop, but the Sheriff, State's Attorney, etc. Said person is not required to sign the form, and in many locations around the country, won't.

4) Form a corporation. This is a loophole which gets you around the sign off. Do this ONLY if you can't get a sign off. The down side is that there are many hassles associated with forming and maintaining a corporation. Another down side is that the corporation owns the guns, you don't.

5) Send money. Usually your local dealer charges a fee for handling the transfer.

6) Wait. The dealer-to-dealer paperwork usually takes at least 30 days, and we're usually backordered to the point where your dealer won't see a gun, silencer, whatever, for 45-60 days.

7) Rejoice when your gun comes in! Welcome to the restrictive, elite and fun world of NFA. Here in the U.S., we enjoy as a Constitutionally protected right something which most nations of the world have stripped from their subjects....uh....citizens. Be responsible and safe!
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 9:06:16 PM EDT
On The Thought of WHY the NFA came to be AFTER prohibition ended (and thus the crime produced by the gangsters and bootleggers) just needs to remember the "Bonus Army" that marched on Washington D.C.

It was met by Gen. Douglas MacArther who killed several of the vets and their family members when he sent in his tanks, troops with fixed bayonets and used gas to route the poor ol' W.W.1 vets from asking for Money to help them through the depression!

The focus on N.F.A. was to take away "Military" type weapons (machine guns, motars, grenades, ect. away from the population rather than the "gangsters".

The real but unstated fear was that the poor and hungry popualtion would turn "Red" and over throw the Government.

Most gun control laws come not from fear of crime (stated reason), but from fear of a "resistant" population (the true but not acknowledged reason)!

BIGGER_HAMMER
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