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Link Posted: 1/13/2020 12:09:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
We're pretty stoked about em! As I've me mentioned, we've had them for awhile. We'll get some video soon as time allows as we have several Shot surprises coming up.

What I can say about the new DTNVS is what you see in the pic is a very compact goggle. 2.9" x 4.1" x 4.3". Weight of our unit (it might have shaved some weight since that time) is around 17.5oz without a battery.

Has auto off articulation arms as well as flip up off. More to come...
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS_Profile-1230770.jpg
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94:
Originally Posted By TNVC:

Actually the new lightweight DTNVS....
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS-1230367.jpg
A competitor to the UL-BNVD, I presume?

Have to wait for SHOT or can you give details here as well?
We're pretty stoked about em! As I've me mentioned, we've had them for awhile. We'll get some video soon as time allows as we have several Shot surprises coming up.

What I can say about the new DTNVS is what you see in the pic is a very compact goggle. 2.9" x 4.1" x 4.3". Weight of our unit (it might have shaved some weight since that time) is around 17.5oz without a battery.

Has auto off articulation arms as well as flip up off. More to come...
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/DTNVS_Profile-1230770.jpg
Those arms look fragile as hell.
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 5:52:53 AM EST
I’m just trying to figure out what on earth it actually offers over a DTNVG besides an ounce and a half of weight savings? I don’t see a gain control knob. What gives?
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 8:16:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 12:08:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
The pivoting hinge points may look fragile but I can assure you they’re going to be a lot tougher than something like a PVS-31, the boys at AIB know a thing or two about designing articulating goggles.

Besides the weight savings and new look, one upgrade that the DTNVS has over the DTNVG and other goggle systems out there is a leap forward in modularity and maintenance. From a builder/assembler stand point the DTNVS will come with long term follow on support in mind. and while the DTNVG is not difficult to build, in-depth maintenance can be a bit of a problem. With the DTNVS.....you do not have to worry about that.
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And they added attachment points as requested by @sbye
lol

No Lemo port, DICC only for remote battery pack?
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 12:52:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 1:13:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Glad to hear and I can unequivocally state, no other Class 1 pointer has ever had these on-board features we are about to show. It's been a long time coming and something I have envisioned since we launched the very first Class 1 with Laser Devices around 5-6 years ago.
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But is it going to be affordable?
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 1:32:18 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/13/2020 1:49:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM?
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Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350.
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 3:12:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 5:57:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Doc_Hurley:
Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350.
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Originally Posted By Doc_Hurley:
Originally Posted By TNVC:

Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM?
Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350.
I think it’s gonna blow that out of the water, price wise.

I personally can’t wait. I have 2 MP5 clones that each need one of these.
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 7:11:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Oh...We got dat beat!
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Oh stop it!(insert San Francisco Accent)
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 7:23:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

FLIR OTS Div. not even gonna be there.
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Do you happen to know if this means nothing new will be released by them this year?

I guess this update sounds shitty to me?
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 10:29:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wildfowler:
Do you happen to know if this means nothing new will be released by them this year?

I guess this update sounds shitty to me?
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Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good.
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 10:54:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:
Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good.
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Originally Posted By Wildfowler:
Do you happen to know if this means nothing new will be released by them this year?

I guess this update sounds shitty to me?
Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good.
So no more FLIR Thermals?
Link Posted: 1/13/2020 10:59:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:

Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good.
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That sucks. I like my breach and PTS 233 for what they are and was looking forward to the next version.

Incidentally, the PTS233 is showing back ordered on FLIR website with expected due date of 1/1.
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 1:20:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:

Hearing they closed OTS and fired 50 people. Done for good.
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Wow. That's terrible news
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 8:13:28 AM EST
I guess we'll know a little more information in another week?

https://n2b.goexposoftware.com/events/ss20/goExpo/exhibitor/viewExhibitorProfile.php?__id=1309
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 8:38:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 8:54:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Lowdown3:

FLIR OTS isn't going to be at SHOT. That's all that seems to be certain right now.
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I trust that whoever goes to the shot show this year will ask someone at the flir systems booth what the deal is and report back?
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 11:27:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
Oh...We got dat beat!
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
Originally Posted By Doc_Hurley:
Originally Posted By TNVC:

Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM?
Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350.
Oh...We got dat beat!
ok, color me intrigued.

i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset?

also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR?

also assuming standard Crane plug?
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 1:27:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 2:10:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Details to be announced at Shot.
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In on at least one
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 2:23:56 PM EST
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Details to be announced at Shot.
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Originally Posted By DirtyHandsRob:
Originally Posted By TNVC:
Originally Posted By Doc_Hurley:
Originally Posted By TNVC:

Hey Doc! So what is affordable in your eyes for a quality single AND durable single LAM?
Something inline with the ITAL, $300-$350.
Oh...We got dat beat!
ok, color me intrigued.

i assume a single IR laser. so, laser inline with bore or offset?

also, assume its as nice quality as the ITAL/OTAL but lots better than the Lasermax UNI-IR?

also assuming standard Crane plug?
Details to be announced at Shot.
AWESOME!!
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 5:14:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/14/2020 9:57:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Details to be announced at Shot.
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So stoked for this!
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 7:34:44 AM EST
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See you at the booth.

I'm going to put you on camera again by the way. Consider this your warning.
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 7:49:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Details to be announced at Shot.
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IR laser that has an L3/Insight input AND and L3/Insight ourput so you can slave a Torch Pro or Surefire Vampire to the same pressure switch?
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 8:09:34 AM EST
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I'll be harassing you guys first thing Tuesday. Are you still in the LE room?
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 8:39:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 12:23:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Paladin556:

No LEMO or IP stop adjustment?
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Per ACT’s IG today in the comments: No IP stops or LEMO. Lighter weight only.

I’m not surprised no IP stops but I am surprised no LEMO.

ACT IG post
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 1:28:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By patriot_man:
Maybe the Surefire XVL2 will finally come out this year.
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I am sure it will be at least another year. The thing is like the longest running joke.
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 2:58:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By will-1:

Per ACT’s IG today in the comments: No IP stops or LEMO. Lighter weight only.

I’m not surprised no IP stops but I am surprised no LEMO.

ACT IG post
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So no actual reason for me to upgrade for 60 grams of weight savings.

Thank you Will.
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 3:22:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KPog:

So no actual reason for me to upgrade for 60 grams of weight savings.

Thank you Will.
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I wouldn't. The maximum weight savings involves adding more expensive Ether optics in addition to the new housing. It'd be good when we find out the new total weight fully installed with -14 glass, which will be the most commonly sold.

Same reason I didn't spring for the UL upgrade when I had the BNVD-SG. I was tempted but it really wasn't worth the $$ IMO other than having the newest thing. But buying new from scratch I'd go for the new one (of anything).
Link Posted: 1/15/2020 7:48:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KPog:



Any day now
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They never said what year...
Link Posted: 1/16/2020 11:11:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By will-1:

I wouldn't. The maximum weight savings involves adding more expensive Ether optics in addition to the new housing. It'd be good when we find out the new total weight fully installed with -14 glass, which will be the most commonly sold.

Same reason I didn't spring for the UL upgrade when I had the BNVD-SG. I was tempted but it really wasn't worth the $$ IMO other than having the newest thing. But buying new from scratch I'd go for the new one (of anything).
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Already have the ether glass too, so I am not as worried about weight. But still not worth it yet, if they added the lemo port I would FO so hard though.
Link Posted: 1/16/2020 11:11:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dj1975232:

They never said what year...
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Link Posted: 1/16/2020 11:15:00 AM EST
this is the first time ive be genuinely excited for some of the stuff coming out at shot.

I wish there was a secret link so I could be the first pre-order for at least one item.
Link Posted: 1/16/2020 3:33:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/16/2020 3:58:09 PM EST
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Vapor, just can't handle the disappoint. I would rather attend a large gun show or NRA show, where the things I touch, I will actually be able to purchase.

SEMA isn't as bad, as they are actually marketing things that are available in that industry.
Link Posted: 1/16/2020 5:24:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
According to FLIR we just had a meeting with... For some odd reason the {"other thread was locked"} so others here might want to know as we head into Shot Show.

Going forward they will only have SCOUT, SCION, PVS, LSX/R and BREACH products available for purchase for consumers. They will not be LE or Mil restricted as some other rumors have surfaced. All their warranty support stays the same. Hope this helps with the info traffic.
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what I got from the other thread which isn't tech (?) wasn't that the scout, breach, etc would be .mil restricted.

Rather, I understood it as the scout, scion, breach, etc would still be available to civilians, while FLIR continues to provide their other TWS stuff exclusively to .mil, .gov customers. ie. other than those specific products, FLIR will restrict everything else to LE/MIL.

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Link Posted: 1/16/2020 7:49:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
the other thread which isn't tech (?)
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In order for something to be "not tech," there has to be a definition of "tech." I'm not aware that site staff/mod team has defined that term. The closest you could come would be the COC rules "Specific to the Tech Forums," which state: "These forums are to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments, insulting others, etc will not be ignored."

Information was being shared.

There was no trolling, no heated arguments, and no insults of others.

Other thread was tech af and should be reopened.

Bedtime edit: It's unlocked!

Link Posted: 1/17/2020 1:44:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 2:22:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
Back on topic, glad to see the other FLIR thread re-opened.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/19096/20200117_103800_resized-1237867.jpg
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Ok, why a MK3?
Link Posted: 1/19/2020 1:04:51 PM EST
bumpybump.

Anyone want to give further hints?
Link Posted: 1/19/2020 9:03:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 11:39:55 AM EST
Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes.

NVI posted it on their IG.
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 1:06:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By will-1:
Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes.

NVI posted it on their IG.
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Originally Posted By will-1:
Let's see some info on the new RNVG Micro-16. Smaller and lighter than the regular RNVG using 16mm instead of 18mm tubes.

NVI posted it on their IG.
Only recent reference to 16mm tubes size/weight comparisons I found was this on the Night Goggles page - maybe one of those guys knows a little more about the smaller ones and what they put them in other than the MINI-Bs - https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/night-vision/photonis-4g-echo-gen-2-image-intensifier-tube/
16mm tubes have been designed to meet the SWaP requirements of the modern armies: reduced Size, Weight and minimum Power consumption, with state-of-the-art performance. The weight of the 16mm Image Intensifier Tube has been reduced by 30 grams compared to standard ANVIS 18mm tube while its volume size has been reduced by 40%.
Here's that IG post you mentioned (just in case it disappears like the 'The Cord' stuff did last week...)
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 1:27:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jwramp:

Only recent reference to 16mm tubes size/weight comparisons I found was this on the Night Goggles page - maybe one of those guys knows a little more about the smaller ones and what they put them in other than the MINI-Bs - https://www.nightgoggles.com/shop/night-vision/photonis-4g-echo-gen-2-image-intensifier-tube/

Here's that IG post you mentioned (just in case it disappears like the 'The Cord' stuff did last week...)
https://i.imgur.com/6FHXsDU.png
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Good call JW
Link Posted: 1/20/2020 3:01:56 PM EST
Any updates on the new affordable LAM?
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