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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:31:20 PM EDT
Okay guys Im totally confused I thought I had it all figured out, but I don't.
Anyway here is what Im trying to do, build a POF lower with a 10.5" Noveske upper. Now at some point in time I would like to suppress this so do I need a form 1 correct? I have the form 1 in my lap so I don't want to make any mistakes

So confused and the more I read the more im confusing myself. Anyway I was planning to go get my finger prints done and the form signed where does everyone go to get there finger prints done?

Now once I get the forms all filled out does the 200$ tax stamp cover all both the Suppressor and the SBR 10.5"? Or will I need to send in 400$ and two forms 1's?
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:40:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Fingerprints at your local PD, SD etc. $200 for each, form 1 for the SBR if you're manufacturing it, and a form 4 for the suppressor if you're buying it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:47:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Am I manufacturing it per say if Im buying the upper and lower then putting it together?

So pretty much I just need to go to the local PD, get it filled out and signed take some finger prints. Send it off with 200$ then wait. Purchase the Upper and lower when I get it back. Then Ill have the form 4 by then and already be working on it?

Wow that sounds so wasy now
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 9:52:14 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Am I manufacturing it per say if Im buying the upper and lower then putting it together?



YES

and it's a form 1 you need
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 10:05:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Thank you!

Im sure you saved me from a 30 day or more mistake!
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 4:37:06 AM EDT
[#5]
To make your rifle lower a short-barreled rifle you use a Form 1.  You are the manufacturer of the SBR.  

For the suppressor, unless you're making it yourself, ie.: milling the baffles and misc parts with your own hand, the Form 4 is used.  If you are in fact manufacturing the silencer, then use a Form 1.

either way, you will need two stamps.

ETA:  If you have a registered receiver (full auto), you do not need a Form 1 to manufacture a SBR.  There is no barrel length restrictions on machine guns.  But you'd still end up will 2 stamps (1 for receiver, 1 for silencer).


~rj

ps: exception, if your silencer is permanently attached, and brings your barrel length to 16" then you will only need one stamp for the suppressor.

Link Posted: 4/21/2007 5:07:16 AM EDT
[#6]
Just a minor nit:  the person filing a Form 1 (Application to Make and Register a Firearm) is the "maker", not the "manufacturer".
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 5:15:23 AM EDT
[#7]
You must also engrave the firearm per ATF regulations.  
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 6:34:12 AM EDT
[#8]
My suggestion would be to contact a local NFA dealer and just buy what you want.  Ok now that I am over that and you think you need to do it yourself without help.

You need to have a gun first before you can register anything, So buy your lower receiver assy. now.  You must use the ATF marked fingerprint cards, might want to talk to your local sheriff before you go too far to see if they will even sign the forms for you.

Don't forget your form 5320.20 citizenship form.    Do you think you are making your own silencer?  If not then you will be going through an in state dealer anyway so you might as well buy the short rifle through them anyway.

Then remember you can't travel across state lines with the rifle without prior approval of the ATF.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 7:22:11 AM EDT
[#9]

My suggestion would be to contact a local NFA dealer and just buy what you want.

Or find a local 07 FFL / 02 SOT.  Let him register it (on a Form 2) and engrave it (with his information) for you.  Then it can transfer to you / your trust / your LLC on a Form 4.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 7:42:10 AM EDT
[#10]
Well Im trying to purchase the lower now so I can start registering it.
If I run into problems registering it I will goto my FFL and have him transfer it....or should I just goto my FFL now have him build it and transfer it? Im woundering how big of a hassel a form 1 is....
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 8:07:02 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Well Im trying to purchase the lower now so I can start registering it.
If I run into problems registering it I will goto my FFL and have him transfer it....or should I just goto my FFL now have him build it and transfer it? Im woundering how big of a hassel a form 1 is....


I'm assuming when you say "goto my FFL" you mean a 01FFL (regular gunshop)

IF you dont build it yourself
You need a 01/SOT (NFA dealer) to transfer in a SBR lower or a 07/SOT (NFA manuf) to build you a SBR lower

If you mean by problems "If I run into problems registering" getting a signoff from the local CLEO. Then going to a dealer will be of no help. The dealer can do nothing about the CLEO not signing off. At that point your only option (assuming you go through all people that can sign) is to go the Corp or Trust route
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 8:58:26 AM EDT
[#12]
The form 1 is no more hassle than any other form, but you don't know much what you are doing, some local guidance from a real local dealer would be worth what ever the dealer charges,

A dealer can order and set up what you want, he will have the forms, have the fingerprint cards and tell you which CLEO to go talk to for the sign off.

Once you get experience seeing how it is done then build something yourself on form 1.

Unless you are not 21 yet than you will be stuck with form 1 as untill you are 21 you can not buy NFA from a dealer.

There are plenty of people in TX who have done all this.  Goto the TX hometown forum and find someone with experience locally.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 9:09:27 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Unless you are not 21 yet than you will be stuck with form 1 as untill you are 21 you can not buy NFA from a dealer.


He could also form 4 something from another non-FFL.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 4:45:38 PM EDT
[#14]
Where in TX are you located? I'm in the Austin Area and can walk you through the SBR on a Form 1 and Suppressor on Form 4 if you are still confused.

Shoot me an E-mail:
[email protected]
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 9:08:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Katy...Im still a little confused manily because I don't want to do anything wrong so Im just taking it slow. I want to do this right so I will shoot you a email, thank you for your help.
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 4:50:49 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Katy...Im still a little confused manily because I don't want to do anything wrong so Im just taking it slow. I want to do this right so I will shoot you a email, thank you for your help.


You should contact the Talon Arms guys in Houston.  They've got a good selection of GemTech suppressors on hand.

An alternate to the LEO signoff is the Trust or Corporation route.  I used Quicken Willmaker for my trust.  It honestly took less than 30 minutes and all I had to do was take it to a notary to be signed.  No extra fees and then no messing with fingerprints either.  

I bought a suppressor from a dealer in the College Station area.  He had the suppressor on hand and we filled out the Form 4 together.  $200, the Form 4, Citizen Papers, and my Declaration of Trust to the ATF got my approved Form 4 back in less than 3 weeks.  

I'm now starting the process to get a couple SBRs.  You use a Form 1 for these which is very similar to the Form 4.  You need the receiver in hand to use its serial number.  The trick is not to have the barrel less than 16" on hand without your approved Form 1 back from ATF.

Who thought stamp collecting could be so much fun!

Spooky
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 7:33:13 AM EDT
[#17]
HAHA I live in College Station (goto Texas A&M) who has a nice selection of suppressors up that way I can only think of one gun shop/range and I tried to order a bolt action 700LTR from them 2 months later I canceled my order....

Anyway I will look up setting up a trust...
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