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Posted: 7/31/2011 6:20:37 AM EDT
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That's a tough one , maybe at least disable them (remove firing pins) so if stolen will be somewhat safe.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 6:43:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/31/2011 6:43:44 AM EDT
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buy small safe, put in closet.
your premise that there is not enough room for a safe is incorrect. |
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Posted: 7/31/2011 6:46:23 AM EDT
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buy small safe, put in closet. your premise that there is not enough room for a safe is incorrect. The closet is TINY... I could not fit a safe in it at all, it is extremely narrow. Its like 5 feet deep, but 2 1/2 feet wide at most with shelves in it. Theres no way a safe would fit in there. At least not a safe big enough to fit four rifles, one of which is an HK91 clone so its pretty large. |
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:19:34 AM EDT
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Buy a free standing wardrobe that rests directly on the floor (no feet) and put the safe inside that? I had a pretty large one from Ikea for a while that was cheap and I could have put a safe in. Might be worth a look?
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:28:17 AM EDT
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Back in my apartment days, I put my long guns in a Christmas tree box in the back of a closet.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:28:18 AM EDT
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I've lived in small apartments and I can't comprehend not enough room for a 4 guns safe. If you have room for any furniture, and your guns are important to you, forgo an end table and put a small safe in. Build a wood box around it and tell guests it's a water heater if you want concealement. If your long guns aren't worth that much hassle to you sell them and get a handgun.
As far as your shotgun goes, GunVault used to make a hinging type safe that mounted on a wall, clamped around a shotgun action, and opened with the right combo of their 4 fingered key pad. I don't think they make them anymore but I like mine if you can find one or something similar. |
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:45:27 AM EDT
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Bed safe...
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Posted: 7/31/2011 7:57:24 AM EDT
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To be honest, i have never owned a gun safe, they have always just been kept in a closet. I think I will probably just get a keylock for the closet door and keep them in there with the rest of my stuff. The place is small, I really don't have room to inconspicuously place a gunsafe anywhere. It also has very low ceilings because it is the attic of the home. I think the locked closet is just gonna have to suffice for now, but I thank everyone for their input. If I didnt live in New Jersey, I would just put collapsing/folding stock on the guns so that they take up less room but thats out of the question here unless I wanna go to prison. Even my 16" CAR-15 has to have its telescoping stock pinned in the open position so its pretty long. I guess I should also mention that I honestly do not even have the money to invest in a safe, I am living paycheck to paycheck and now I need to get myself some cheap Ikea furniture just so that the place isnt totally empty. If anyone has any ideas that dont involve purchasing a safe, please post them. thanks
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Posted: 7/31/2011 8:22:20 AM EDT
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I've never owned a gun safe either. I like to build things to hold them in. You may not want to store them in a gun case. They are fine for short term but long term you may end up with a rust bucket. You could get a little imaginitive with that shelf in your closet. Really just a few 2X2's to build a rack system for airflow and a door to enclose the front. You could use a piano hinge on the inside to run the whole length and a pin system to hid the fact that it swings down (like a nail on each side that you can remove) so no locks are visible. Even better if you paint it to match the inside of the closet. For tools you could get away with a drill with a screw head and a handsaw, maybe some gorilla glue for the rack. Small job really. Anyway, best of luck.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 5:28:04 PM EDT
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I had an idea for awhile about building a chest that sits at the base of the bed, like the type used for storing linens and comforters. It would look like it belongs in a bedroom, very inconspicuous.
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Posted: 7/31/2011 5:33:51 PM EDT
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I have a safe in a closet, and a heavy duty keyed padlock for the door. If you can't do the safe, just get a good lock, and keep them in your bedroom closet. |
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Posted: 7/31/2011 6:59:02 PM EDT
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I had an idea for awhile about building a chest that sits at the base of the bed, like the type used for storing linens and comforters. It would look like it belongs in a bedroom, very inconspicuous. I'd do this but as a coffee table. Either that, or a couch like the old couple had in " The Book of Eli " |
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Posted: 8/1/2011 12:11:45 AM EDT
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I had an idea for awhile about building a chest that sits at the base of the bed, like the type used for storing linens and comforters. It would look like it belongs in a bedroom, very inconspicuous. I'd do this but as a coffee table. Either that, or a couch like the old couple had in " The Book of Eli " You mean along this line? 
There are others. Like I said earlier, modifying the shelf may be your best option. I wouldn't be throwing padlocks around as it says "I have something in here you may want". Another thing about a secured door, unless you modify the walls, the door means nothing. The best place to hide something is right out in the open. Again, best of luck. |
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Posted: 8/1/2011 2:18:16 AM EDT
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Cable locks through chambers and ejection ports... under bed in long storage container.
You don't want to store them long term in their cases... it may promote rust. |
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Posted: 8/1/2011 3:10:35 AM EDT
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1. Get renter's insurance.
2. Store all but your self defense firearms at a trusted relative's house in a safe or other secure means. Ensure they will be covered by insurance, houses get broken into as well. 3. Never let anyone see you moving any firearms, nice electronics, tools, or anything else that is high value/priority to thieves into or out of your apartment. 4. If you have to move your firearms in or out of the apartment, do it one at a time, in discreet cases, or broken down and into a non firearm type of container. 5. No firearm related magazines or stickers should be on or in your vehicle. 6. Don't drive a vehicle that is perceived to be one that indicates you have a lot of money and valuables. 7. Dress and act like you have less money than everyone else around you. I spent way too many years living in apartments in a neighborHOOD. Step 2 was hard for me to make myself do, but I did it anyway. Step 3 is a huge PITA. |
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Posted: 8/1/2011 9:04:39 AM EDT
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1. Get renter's insurance. 2. Store all but your self defense firearms at a trusted relative's house in a safe or other secure means. Ensure they will be covered by insurance, houses get broken into as well. 3. Never let anyone see you moving any firearms, nice electronics, tools, or anything else that is high value/priority to thieves into or out of your apartment. 4. If you have to move your firearms in or out of the apartment, do it one at a time, in discreet cases, or broken down and into a non firearm type of container. 5. No firearm related magazines or stickers should be on or in your vehicle. 6. Don't drive a vehicle that is perceived to be one that indicates you have a lot of money and valuables. 7. Dress and act like you have less money than everyone else around you. I spent way too many years living in apartments in a neighborHOOD. Step 2 was hard for me to make myself do, but I did it anyway. Step 3 is a huge PITA. I agree with all of this advice. Be sure to have renters insurance as the above poster remarked. I would try and limit what I kept in the apartment to one self-defense carbine and one or two handguns. I shoot frequently and would have a hard time paring down to having just a few firearms on hand, but those are also the ones I would be practicing with if I were moving back into an apartment. Make discretion your lifestyle. |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:03:38 AM EDT
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I had an idea for awhile about building a chest that sits at the base of the bed, like the type used for storing linens and comforters. It would look like it belongs in a bedroom, very inconspicuous. I'd do this but as a coffee table. Either that, or a couch like the old couple had in " The Book of Eli " You mean along this line? http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/Taipan01/P1010488.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/Taipan01/P1010489.jpg There are others. Like I said earlier, modifying the shelf may be your best option. I wouldn't be throwing padlocks around as it says "I have something in here you may want". Another thing about a secured door, unless you modify the walls, the door means nothing. The best place to hide something is right out in the open. Again, best of luck. That's a nice looking cabinet. With a cabinet like that or a linen chest, It should be possible to conceal the lock or locking mechanism |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 4:17:50 AM EDT
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When I was living in an apartment, I had used a Stack-On gun cabinet. Not a safe, but a locking sheet metal cabinet that was VERY narrow. I can store my entire collection in there if I had to, but usually did not. It can be bolted to floor or wall and uses a key lock.
It is not an actual safe. No fire protection etc, but it was better than nothing and certainly a deterrent as it would still require two people to take it out after it was unbolted from wall. Cheap, Maybe $100 - $200 IIRC at the local Cabelas. |
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Posted: 8/2/2011 5:27:55 PM EDT
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This looks to be the smallest cabinet I've seen around. Probably not very secure to a determined burgler, but I've heard the average break in lasts less than 8 minutes; why fiddle with a locked cabinet which may contain something of value when (presumably) the tv is right there. I've also seen security cable run through trigger guards and secured to something structural or firmly attached to the walls.
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Posted: 8/2/2011 5:45:00 PM EDT
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This looks to be the smallest cabinet I've seen around. Probably not very secure to a determined burgler, but I've heard the average break in lasts less than 8 minutes; why fiddle with a locked cabinet which may contain something of value when (presumably) the tv is right there. I've also seen security cable run through trigger guards and secured to something structural or firmly attached to the walls. That is exactly what I was referring to. It holds more than 8 
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Posted: 8/3/2011 9:08:42 AM EDT
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This looks to be the smallest cabinet I've seen around. Probably not very secure to a determined burgler, but I've heard the average break in lasts less than 8 minutes; why fiddle with a locked cabinet which may contain something of value when (presumably) the tv is right there. I've also seen security cable run through trigger guards and secured to something structural or firmly attached to the walls. If an alarm system is present, the alarm company will expend about 5 minutes trying to call you and see if this is a real break-in, and then after that, it's however long it takes the police to show up (at best, another 5 -10 minutes.) |
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Posted: 8/4/2011 12:40:04 PM EDT
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I have a safe in a closet, and a heavy duty keyed padlock for the door. If you can't do the safe, just get a good lock, and keep them in your bedroom closet. All good. Just make sure you can't pull the pins out of the hinges otherwise a lock is worthless. |
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Posted: 8/4/2011 1:47:25 PM EDT
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When I lived in a condo, before I got a safe I took one of the tiles off my garden tub and hid a shotgun, AR15 and 4 handguns in the airspace around the tub. I recaulked it so it lookd like the tile belonged there but it wasn't cemented in place. Other fun places are the air conditioningintake and under the insullation in the attic. But I have a safe so... good luck.
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Posted: 8/4/2011 2:21:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2011 9:35:16 PM EDT
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Hide them in your box spring under your bed. Box springs are hollow.
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Posted: 8/5/2011 9:46:03 AM EDT
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Apartments and long arms are not a good mix as far as keeping them secure.
Be careful when moving them out of the apartment. Don't advertise that you have guns. A locked hollow wood closet door A locked solid wood closet door A locked steel closet door Locked cases None of the above options are great. Do you have access to some off site storage and just keep the shotty at the apartment? |
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Posted: 8/5/2011 12:59:23 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that when somebody breaks in, they're gonna toss mattresses and cushions, and they'll open and dump any drawers, and they won't hang around any longer than they have to.
When I had an apartment years ago, my solution was a 4x2x2' gang box from Home Depot. It was fairly secure, it was a heavy sumbitch, and I just draped a tablecloth over it and kept it in the dining room. A whole string of girlfriends never had a clue what that box was. One finally lifted the cloth to look for plates/linens/whatever, and asked what was in it. "Tools". "Why aren't they in your truck?" "No room". No more questions. Some years later (we stayed friends) she found out I was a shooter and asked if I'd had guns at the apartment. I told her, " yeah, in that box in the dining room where you tried to find napkins." "How many were in there?" "As many as I could fit, there were a couple under the bed>" 
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Posted: 8/13/2011 9:41:08 PM EDT
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When I was living in an apartment, I had used a Stack-On gun cabinet. Not a safe, but a locking sheet metal cabinet that was VERY narrow. I can store my entire collection in there if I had to, but usually did not. It can be bolted to floor or wall and uses a key lock. It is not an actual safe. No fire protection etc, but it was better than nothing and certainly a deterrent as it would still require two people to take it out after it was unbolted from wall. Cheap, Maybe $100 - $200 IIRC at the local Cabelas. That's what I had to do in one of my post-divorce condos. Not all that secure but better than nothin'. I also bought the rattiest old Mosin rifle I could find, dropped the firing pin and leaned it up in the closet. My thought was, if some shit-head broke in, he'd think, "Hey, I got SOMETHIN'!" and wouldn't fuck around with the cabinet. Before I got the cabinet, I stowed rifles up in the overhead between HVAC ducts with a cable-lock around a structural member if I was going out of town. Now-a-days, I still keep that old Stack-On cabinet. It's loosely anchored into the wall a couple of feet from my gun safe with a label that says "Handguns & Coin Collection". I've got a couple of old power tools inside and handfuls of big ass fender washers inside. |
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:34:15 PM EDT
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Why does it need to go in the closet in the first place?
Just stick it in the corner. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 1:27:19 AM EDT
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A while back I had an out-of-town apartment for work. I picked up one of these from Academy for $99 bucks: Stack-On 8 Gun Cabinet
At 21"x10"x55" it sounds like it will work for your application. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 1:19:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:06:48 PM EDT
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This looks to be the smallest cabinet I've seen around. Probably not very secure to a determined burgler, but I've heard the average break in lasts less than 8 minutes; why fiddle with a locked cabinet which may contain something of value when (presumably) the tv is right there. I've also seen security cable run through trigger guards and secured to something structural or firmly attached to the walls. Two people in my local area suffered break-ins. Both had similar gun cabinets. Both lost nothing. Some protection is better than none. It may just be enough to save your stuff. |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 4:29:52 PM EDT
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1. Get renter's insurance. 2. Store all but your self defense firearms at a trusted relative's house in a safe or other secure means. Ensure they will be covered by insurance, houses get broken into as well. 3. Never let anyone see you moving any firearms, nice electronics, tools, or anything else that is high value/priority to thieves into or out of your apartment. 4. If you have to move your firearms in or out of the apartment, do it one at a time, in discreet cases, or broken down and into a non firearm type of container. 5. No firearm related magazines or stickers should be on or in your vehicle. 6. Don't drive a vehicle that is perceived to be one that indicates you have a lot of money and valuables. 7. Dress and act like you have less money than everyone else around you. I spent way too many years living in apartments in a neighborHOOD. Step 2 was hard for me to make myself do, but I did it anyway. Step 3 is a huge PITA. 8. Don't bother trying to enjoy life. I thought I was a little paranoid with some of the things I do, geez.
So do you only go shopping at 1 AM. I don't think companies deliver that late either. I guess I should sell my BMW and buy a Cavalier. Who wants to enjoy their hobbies or their earnings anyway? 
Good thing I'm a t-shirt & jeans guy. Can't wear a suit or I'll get robbed fo sho!
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Posted: 8/14/2011 4:40:18 PM EDT
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I have been using a couple Stack-On cabinets for years now. Would love to get a safe, and I was going to when I bought my previous house, but didn't & that house got sold & I am renting again.
I would be interested in switching to some type of chest that I could keep at the end of my bed. Any suggestions? |
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Posted: 8/14/2011 5:02:53 PM EDT
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