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Link Posted: 6/7/2018 7:32:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/7/2018 7:33:52 PM EST by pbjunkiee]
Glynn @ Night Vision Inc pulled through this weekend.

The focusable illum is going to be awesome on these.
There is almost no wiggle at all.

Going to be a game changer for sure

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Link Posted: 6/12/2018 3:19:12 PM EST
Just waiting on mine
Link Posted: 6/12/2018 3:29:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MrPlayer:

A SG with direct hook up remote battery would be pretty sick. Might make me get a new set of Binos.
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I think it would be outstanding if it took a standard LEMO connector so you could just mount all those anvis packs on top of your noggin (or they could sell an extension cord) to re-purpose an existing battery pack.
Link Posted: 6/12/2018 7:20:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By chosos:

I think it would be outstanding if it took a standard LEMO connector so you could just mount all those anvis packs on top of your noggin (or they could sell an extension cord) to re-purpose an existing battery pack.
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Couldn’t agree more
Link Posted: 6/12/2018 9:55:00 PM EST
So what's the story on this thing - its almost a complete knock-off of a Sentinel but machined in aluminum, runs AA batts, and is less expensive than a sentinel? Is this some type of vendor collaboration or exclusive device? Just curious what the backstory is on this, because I thought AB Night Vision was the shop behind the machining of Sentinel Housings for Adams Industries?
Link Posted: 6/14/2018 8:44:01 PM EST
The wait is killing me! I’m ready for these already. It’s almost as bad as waiting for NFA goodies.
Link Posted: 6/17/2018 11:51:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Glynn @ Night Vision Inc pulled through this weekend.

The focusable illum is going to be awesome on these.
There is almost no wiggle at all.

Going to be a game changer for sure

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That illuminator focus unit is real slick - something standard that comes with the housings, or just a Glynn special?
Link Posted: 6/17/2018 12:04:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jwramp:

That illuminator focus unit is real slick - something standard that comes with the housings, or just a Glynn special?
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Hmm.. now that you mention it, that illuminator is different than the stock photos.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Augee:
It’s a PVS-7 focus ring. The BNVDs can also accept them.

~Augee
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Clever. I dig it
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 3:18:05 PM EST
Hate to be that person but any update if housings are getting close to shipping?
Link Posted: 6/23/2018 5:42:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/23/2018 5:43:09 PM EST by pbjunkiee]
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Originally Posted By great308:
Hate to be that person but any update if housings are getting close to shipping?
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Probably soon

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Link Posted: 6/23/2018 7:55:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/25/2018 6:04:18 PM EST by great308]
Oh!
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 1:41:42 PM EST
Anyone got anymore info or a solid review on these? I've never tried bino's in any capacity nor do I know any local that own's bino's and these are my top choice as the price comes out quite a bit cheaper than the rest for WP Filmless tubes.
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 1:57:25 PM EST
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them.

If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation.
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 2:04:34 PM EST
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 2:22:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/15/2018 2:23:20 PM EST by eMc9001]
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Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them.

If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation.
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Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them.

If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation.
Flippi bois lol. Good to hear, not sure what to expect since they are new to the market but word seem's to be good so far.

Originally Posted By great308:
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully
I expect a quality review forth coming then! Also you cost me $100 on the Maritime rails which shipped already.
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 3:38:41 PM EST
Theyre sentinels on steroids.

Literally do anything they do but better... and cheaper?!

No brainer imho
Link Posted: 7/15/2018 3:57:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
Flippi bois lol. Good to hear, not sure what to expect since they are new to the market but word seem's to be good so far.

I expect a quality review forth coming then! Also you cost me $100 on the Maritime rails which shipped already.
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them.

If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation.
Flippi bois lol. Good to hear, not sure what to expect since they are new to the market but word seem's to be good so far.

Originally Posted By great308:
Still waiting on mine, next week hopefully
I expect a quality review forth coming then! Also you cost me $100 on the Maritime rails which shipped already.
Haha! Happy I could help spend your money

And I’m sure I will be blabbing about the rnvg’s.
Link Posted: 7/16/2018 10:27:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pbjunkiee:
I like them a bunch. Stupid tight compared to everything else.
I spend less time thinking how to not break them and more time focusing on using them.

If you dont want flippi bois these are my new #1 recommendation.
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b-b-buttttt I LIKE FLIPPI BOIS
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 8:22:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2018 8:23:10 AM EST by ljh824]
Okay, help me out. I'm not seeing the RNVG that much cheaper than the Sentinels. I mean, if i'm going to drop $8K to $9K on NVGs, a couple hundred bucks isn't going to be a deal breaker.

On TNVC's website the RNVGs (WP) are going for $8,525, while the Sentinels (WP) are listed at $9,249. A difference of $723. I'm not seeing these being that much better than the Sentinels for a measly $700.

Yeah, yeah, go be poor somewhere else. blah blah. But I'm in the market for binos, and have pretty much decided on the Sents. change my mind.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 8:57:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ljh824:
Okay, help me out. I'm not seeing the RNVG that much cheaper than the Sentinels. I mean, if i'm going to drop $8K to $9K on NVGs, a couple hundred bucks isn't going to be a deal breaker.

On TNVC's website the RNVGs (WP) are going for $8,525, while the Sentinels (WP) are listed at $9,249. A difference of $723. I'm not seeing these being that much better than the Sentinels for a measly $700.

Yeah, yeah, go be poor somewhere else. blah blah. But I'm in the market for binos, and have pretty much decided on the Sents. change my mind.
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why the Sents? serious question. The RNVG is a solid aluminum clone of a Sentinel housing, with a built in illuminator. They are a stronger sentinel. and slightly lighter. only difference is mounting options currently. so unless you are invested in ANVIS mounts and battery packs, the cheaper, stronger, lighter solution makes more sense.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 9:22:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2018 9:22:48 AM EST by great308]
Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack.

The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy.

Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 10:15:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By great308:
Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack.

The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy.

Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount.
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I personally like the 123a better. I feel like they leak a lot less than AA batteries and they last longer. Also, the rest of the stuff on my rifle uses 123a batteries. My PEQ, flashlight, EOTech...

I do understand the appeal of the AA too, but for me the 123a is best.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 10:17:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sbye:

I personally like the 123a better. I feel like they leak a lot less than AA batteries and they last longer. Also, the rest of the stuff on my rifle uses 123a batteries. My PEQ, flashlight, EOTech...

I do understand the appeal of the AA too, but for me the 123a is best.
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123's are definitely superior to AA's all around. Except in availability. Any grocery store, convenience store, or gas stop in the country stocks AA's. 123's can be difficult to find, even now. Especially at decent prices. If you're not buying 123's online, it's typically one to a pack for like $6.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 10:18:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By great308:
Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack.

The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy.

Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount.
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Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 10:36:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol.
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
Originally Posted By great308:
Sentinel positive is ability to use ball mount. Rnvg positive is it’s stronger as it’s made of aluminum rather than derlin plastic. That said the sentinel is plenty robust. $700 difference is nothing to sneeze at. The other positive about the rnvg is they have stated that in the future it can be upgraded to external battery pack that will be hooked into the actual unit and not through the mount like a ball mount. This gives you all be positives of dovetail mount and positive of a battery pack.

The rnvg also uses a AA which is a positive for me mostly becuase I hate buying 123a since AA’s are cheaper to buy.

Like what was said the RNVG is a stronger unit that is cheaper and you only sacrifice the use of a ball mount.
Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol.
I honestly have no experience with the sentinel or RNVG at this point but it does not take a genius to figure that billet aluminum is stronger than derlin. Granted the derlin is still pretty rugged stuff but aluminum still holds the edge. I could be wrong...

From recent research on batteries sparked by asking about batteries in the other topic I posted. From some research it seems that linthium AA’s don’t seem to leak any more or less than 123a. The 123a does have an edge on power and longer run time at the cost of being more expensive and harder to find.

Most accessories do take 123a but the less I have to carry the better really or at least in my opinion.
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Originally Posted By brodband8:

Chris Adams will state that the Sentinel is better and take it to the grave lol.
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I do feel like AB Nightvision kind of fucked him on this one... They basically released an aluminum Sentinel that takes AA's lol. If I were him I would not be happy with AB... but I don't know what his contract with them is for the production of the Sentinel...
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 11:36:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/17/2018 11:41:07 AM EST by chosos]
Let me preface this with: I have owned every flavor of MOD3 sold, and multiple other AB NV Mono's. I now currently own a MOD3 and a Sentinel.

So let me get this straight - AB Night Vision is contracted to build the Sentinels for Adams Industries, and then AB Night Vision partners with another competing vendor to produce the RNVG (which is basically a sentinel copy in Aluminum)?

Coke pays Pepsi to make Coke and in doing so shares intellectual property/recipe for Coke. Then Pepsi decides it can improve Coke and starts selling PepsiCola based upon Coke's original formula that they had inside knowledge of due to the manufacturing contract.

Something feels a little off on this one. How are there not lawsuits involved?

Real question: Is this something to be of concern of long term? Anyone know of Patent situations on either device? I want to say AI had some pending patents on the Color NV stuff they were working on, but I don't know about the housings. I just see it as a concern to spend 1-2k on a housing only to see one or both go belly up over infringements.
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design.
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Thanks Sam for clearing that up. I've only heard users comparing the two both here and on FB and most of the accounts I've read is that they are very similar, except that one is in aluminum. Functionally, they seem the same, and aren't vastly different like a BNVD vs Sentinel. I haven't ever owned a RNVG, so I am legitimately curious. So this is more of a perma bridge AA MOD3?

I've been seeing some nasty posts lately (mostly Facebook), and I wasn't sure what in the hell was going on or if AI's build shop ripped his design or something - which causes me some concern since I own devices by both parties. lol. Ironically, my MOD3 housings mostly came from Glynn, so go figure.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 3:37:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Never heard of any "partnership" like that....Could be wrong.
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I thought Glynn from Night Vision Inc was part of that collaboration on the RNVG. I could also be wrong, but that is what my understanding was. I coulda swore I saw him posting about it on FB.
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 3:59:55 PM EST
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[Last Edit: 7/17/2018 4:19:33 PM EST by nhojyelbom]
the RNVG should be lighter weight than sent's and i will bet eventually a ball detent mount option eventually

like tnvc sam said they are exact copies of the mod 3 system, not Sentinel's
Link Posted: 7/17/2018 10:47:59 PM EST
Am I missing something or is anvis style still not compatible with RNVG? I have an older set of Anvis 6s and they can't be swapped over, so I'm not sure why the RNVG is getting a pass on that front.
Link Posted: 7/18/2018 12:08:13 AM EST
These with the new Wilcox G69 would look awesome.
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Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Am I missing something or is anvis style still not compatible with RNVG? I have an older set of Anvis 6s and they can't be swapped over, so I'm not sure why the RNVG is getting a pass on that front.
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Not yet, but soon
Link Posted: 7/19/2018 4:59:22 PM EST
I like the looks of the RNVG I may pick a set with echo tubes
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And now I’m waiting on some white tubes for my RNVG
Link Posted: 7/19/2018 7:21:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design.
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Care to elaborate and how the electrical is done on the RNVG? Never liked the build quality of the Sents and really didnt like the tiny exposed wires underneath. Taking a hard look at the RNVG.

Edit: guess I didn't take a hard enough look, thanks great308.
Link Posted: 7/19/2018 9:27:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GripnAK47s:

Care to elaborate and how the electrical is done on the RNVG? Never liked the build quality of the Sents and really didnt like the tiny exposed wires underneath. Taking a hard look at the RNVG.
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Originally Posted By GripnAK47s:

Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:
There are some pretty big differences between the RNVG and Sentinel, its a completely different housing design. Its powered differently, the interpupilary adjustment track rails are in a differnet place, the electrical contacts that power the RNVG are not the wires that are found tucked up underneath the Bridge or a Sentinel and the illuminator is vastly different, if anything the RNVG is much more similar to the MOD3 in design.
Care to elaborate and how the electrical is done on the RNVG? Never liked the build quality of the Sents and really didnt like the tiny exposed wires underneath. Taking a hard look at the RNVG.
Taken from tnvc website on RNVG “As the optic pods traverse during interpupilary adjustment, they ride across an electrical contact strip.”
Link Posted: 7/22/2018 7:59:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jpmuscle:
They're coming with DEP each tubes so that's probably why.
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Originally Posted By ScorpioMk:
On this site they are about 1250 cheaper than sentinels.

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They're coming with DEP each tubes so that's probably why.
What're DEP tubes? Google isn't giving me any answers
Link Posted: 7/23/2018 12:07:12 AM EST
Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes
The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better.
Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform.

There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit.
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Originally Posted By MrJonesandMe:

What're DEP tubes? Google isn't giving me any answers
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Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes
The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better.
Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform.

There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit.
Link Posted: 7/23/2018 7:18:22 AM EST
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RNVG “As the optic pods traverse during interpupilary adjustment, they ride across an electrical contact strip.”
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2 Concerns:

1. Corrosion. I know my early MOD 3's were having some corrosion issues from various metals being used. It was galvanic corrosion, and was a result of passing voltage across 2 different metals, which made the battery caps very difficult to remove. Conductive grease helped mitigate the problem, but it was still a design flaw and I provided that feedback to AB. Hopefully galvanic corrosion isn't an issue and the contacts and pads are all complimentary metals.

2. Shut-off's. If the contacts slide and they are spring powered like the MOD 3 power contacts, I wonder if will have similar issues as the MOD 3's. I've read multiple reports that MOD 3's will cut out intermittently while ATV'ing and hitting bumps. I haven't run into that issue with mine, yet though. Maybe someone who has can speak directly to this issue?

These are by no means deal breakers. I think extra bridge options are great and I love my MOD 3's despite any minor design flaws.
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Originally Posted By ownnight:
There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit.
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Is the RNVG design a collaboration with Night Vision Inc, or is Night Vision Inc selling the product sorta like TNVC (or other vendors) sell it? I wasn't sure and just wanted to clear it up - I ask because I thought I read somewhere that you helped design it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2018 9:09:02 AM EST
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Good question I wondered the same thing? I was getting real serious about ordering a set of ACT DTNVG when I saw the pics of the new RNVG showing up. The major price difference between the two now kind of killed my DTNVG buzz. Seems the the RNVG may over the best bang for the buck right now.
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Originally Posted By ownnight:
Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes
The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better.
Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform.

There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit.
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Originally Posted By MrJonesandMe:

What're DEP tubes? Google isn't giving me any answers
Photonis Hybrid Unfilmed Autogated Echo white or green phosphor image tubes
The are high spec 64+lpmm and usually above 30 Signal to noise so usually around 2000 FOM or better.
Incredibly crisp and clear and guys like them especially at the price point and how well they perform.

There is also L3 Gen3+ unfilmed autogated however they add $1000+ to the price of any unit.
Great, thank you for the quick answer. I'm about to pull the trigger on the RNVGs with DEP tubes, and was worried they wouldn't be up to par.
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