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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:19:26 PM EDT
We all know the 590A1 passed the Military's endurance test for shotguns... but what about the Remington 870?

I've heard:

A)- The 870 was entered into testing and failed.

B)- Remington never submitted the 870 for testing.

C)- The 870 passed the test, but Remington couldn't compete with Mossbergs's price-per-unit offer.

Only one of these can be true, which is it?
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 12:32:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/22/2013 12:38:56 PM EDT by dfariswheel]
Remington never bothered to submit a gun for the test.

The test is nothing more than a minimum pass-fail test. It has nothing to do with deciding who makes the best gun, it's not a competitive test.
If you pass the test you've managed to pass the minimum standard and you can submit a bid to win the contract to supply guns.
In other words, if your gun can manage to fire 5,001 rounds without breaking and Remington fired 20,000 rounds, it means nothing, you've passed the test and can bid on the contract.  

Since the test is just a pass-fail, it comes down to who offers the lowest bid.
There's simply no way Remington can sell a forged steel, heavy duty fabricated internals gun as cheaply as Mossberg can sell a cast aluminum, stamped internals gun.

So, no matter what, Remington was not going to get a contract, so they didn't bother spending hundreds of thousands of dollars going through the process, knowing they would lose out on the bid.

All the Mossberg advertising about "Only Mossberg passed the grueling test" was advertising hype.
ONLY Mossberg submitted a gun for the test.

Also, Remington sells plenty of guns to special military units who buy what they want, and most want the 870.
The actual military contract was not all that big, and Remington never missed the lack of a sale.
Then too, there's all too often "funny things" happen in military contracts.
It's possible someone just plain wanted to buy the Mossberg and might have "finessed" things to make sure Remington failed the test.
That could have damaged Remington's reputation and absolute lock on the police and commercial market.

Bottom line, why spend all that money and take a risk someone will torpedo you on a test and bid you stand zero chance of getting?
Remington was too smart to bother.  Result:  "Mossberg, the ONLY gun to pass the......."
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 3:33:39 PM EDT
Great, Thanks for the info dfariswheel.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 6:52:00 AM EDT
they use/have used both, but theyre nothing more than door breachers anyways..
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