I'm considering doing an mp5k pdw clone and was thinking about starting with an at94k pistol and then form 1'ing it and converting.  What all would need to be done to this pistol to convert it?  If anyone has pictures of one they have converted, by all means share!

Thanks,
Mark

I had my MKE 94k done by Dakota Tactical ( Chopstix Kid). I should be able to pick up my signed F1 from the sheriff Monday to mail it off to the ATF.

RCM threaded barrel
MP5 Rear sight
Semi-shelf
Remark MP5K-N
New SEF  CP lower
Weld clean-up
Refinish

Still only have about $1800 into a nice HK licensed clone that runs 100% suppressed and unsupressed.









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If you just want to SBR the existing gun, you file the Form 1 and when it comes back, buy a stock and put it on. If you want the 3-lug, you can have it re-barreled with an RCM like the above poster did, Curtis over at S&H can extend your stock barrel and put a 3-lug on it. He does great work.

Also, if you're going to make it into a rifle, you'll have to comply with 922r, which entails adding/replacing a total of 6 US parts. (forearm, folding stock, trigger, sear, hammer, cocking handle).

Not sure about the 94k clones but here is my HK SP89 that was SBR'd.

The US parts that were added to be 922 compliant were:

Barrel
Cocking handle
Trigger
Trigger housing
Hammer and spur (only hammer counts)
K grip

MP5 type weapons need a total of 6 US parts to be compliant. Some will debate the 922 EVERYTIME it is brought up but it is best not to invite the man into your life.  Most 922 compliant cases had to do with other illegal activity and the school of thought was that if the ATF is looking that close, you are already in trouble. I considered 922 as insurance while some other consider it not necesssary...play stupid games, win stupid prizes. LInk to a 922 calculator..

http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildMP5VerifyCompliance

It was sent to RDTS for:

Rebarrel with three lug/threaded barrel
Headspacing
Paddle release install
Restamp
NFA marking with my name and location...another thing people like to debate as not being necessary, think "insurance".
Refinish

That is a beautiful gun. I enjoy it everytime you post it. One question though, I was under the impression that 922r did not apply to the  HK SP89 since it was imported before it was banned. My MKE definatly needs to be 922r compliant.

I had read sooo many varying opinions that it was worth it to me just to swap them out and never worry about it again.

The cut off date for 922(R) compliance was in 1989.  Very few SP-89 pistols were imported before the cut off date.  If you have a SP-89 that was imported before 922(R) took effect, then there is no issue.  But since most SP-89 pistols were imported after 922(R) took effect (pistols are not subject to 922(R), only rifles are) then the SP-89 must be made compliant with 922(R).  It was the HK 94 carbines that were imported "pre ban".  So a HK 94 can remain all German.

There are those that feel if a SBR is "made" from a HK 94, or any "pre ban" foreign made rifle, the date of approval is the date it is "made".  So if the approval date on the Form 1 is "post ban", then the resultant SBR would need to be 922(R) compliant.  My limited understanding is that a Form 1 is designed to fill multiple roles.  A Form 1 would allow an individual to create a Sort Barreled Rifle from scratch without being a Special Operational Tax payer.  So that individual, after approval would create the SBR receiver.  A Form 1 would also allow an individual to convert the configuration of a Title I firearm (pistol or rifle) to a SBR.  But the Title I firearm that has it's configuration changed never ceases to firearm.  The date of importation or creation by the original manufacturer or importer remains the same.

While converting the the configuration from a Title I firearm to Title II requires approval, there is approval required for converting from Title II back to Title I.  If a firearm is converted from Title II to Title I notification to the NFA Branch is required.  My understanding is a pistol that has been converted to a SBR can not go back to a pistol.  There was recently a ruling as to a Thompson Contender style of "kit" which would allow a Title I pistol to be configured into a Title I rifle and back again.  Because of the design of attachment of the barrel in a HK roller locked gun, I don't think that a HK roller locked style would qualify.  I'm not a lawyer, although I did play one on stage once.  YMMV.

Scott

The paranoia surrounding 922r is staggering. More bandwidth has been wasted on it . . . Guys SBR guns all the time that don't have "compliance" parts even available. ATF doesn't even care.

922 does not apply to SP89 because it is a pistol. 922r only applies to S/A rifles and any shotgun.



 

I knew that it did not apply in pistol form, same for my MKE. I was not sure if it applied to the HK when SBR'ed. Thanks.