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Posted: 5/2/2002 4:44:35 PM EDT
I am looking into purchasing an AK in 7.62X39 but don't know what to look for. I have 2 ar15s (bushy and armalite) as well as an Springfield M1A and a Springfield Garand. I really have no experience with AKs at all. Any tips would on what I should look for would be greatly appreciated.
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You want advice? Go to the AK section and ask CampyBob. He knows all.
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I really like my Vepr II K, but it is heavier because of the HBar and RPK reciever. I also have a pre-ban Poly Tech, Its got great (for an AK) fit and finish, light weight and accurate with proper ammo (Chinese Surplus)
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The advice given so far has been very good. The VEPR is verry nice, great rifle, but not really a traditional AK. The Chinese are also good but would need preban to get a pistol grip model or need to be modified to get the correct parts count.
I really love my SAR-1 crappy finish and all. It just adds character. There is really no such thing as a bad AK. They all work. It really becomes a matter of what you want to spend. My reccomendations would be the SAR-1 $350ish or the SAM7 in the $650ish range. Both are as original as postban gets. The way to go is stamped receiver, lighter weight and more durable. The milled have a slight accuracy advantage, but not much. I generally get between 2-4" groups but this aint bad for a $300 rifle that always goes bang with the cheapest russian ammo I can find and is more than adequate. The only advice with the SARs is to never buy one site unseen. They have had QC problems in the past such as canted sites and gas block. This would be most evident upon first inspection and is easily fixed. Century will fix then free if you send it back. I fortunately did not have this problem. At any rate, an AK is a must have, I loved mine so much I bought another in .223. |
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i got a pre 89 feg damn thing is get wood looks nice kinda heavy thu. but a damn fine ak.
ive heard great things about sars i think ill probly end up picking up one next fun show. |
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If you want something that looks like an original miltary AK I would suggest a Bulgarian model, price is usually kind of high ($500 - $600 range)
If you are looking for a "beater" I would suggest something like the Romaninan SAR series for around $300 - $400 Last night I finally got a Robinson Armament VEPR K (carbine) in 7.62x39 and it cost me $550, some guys don't like the stock set on the rifle because it doesn't look like the original military version. In my opinion I like the stock set on the VEPR to any AK that I've ever held, it's much more erognomical. The fit and finish of the VEPR are much better than even my Bulgarian AK. If I could only have one AK I'd get the VEPR, just my .02 Good Luck Semper Fi Jeff |
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mark, not to badmouth 7.62x39...it's a good round, but have you considered a 5.45x39?
the sar-2 is a very close approximation of a romanian ak-74. also, the batf has ruled that you can install the 22x1.5mm threaded ak-74 brake "loose threaded"! what other post-ban allows you to have a removable brake? the usuable range of .45 is approximatey 100m longer than 7.62x39, the accuracy is better and recoil is near zilch. if you set on 7.62, the sar-1 makes a great lost cost platform...especially for those looking to do a little work improving/customizing their kalashnikov. the arsenal kazanlak usa (las vegas) sa-m7 model is of good quality. be warned, milled receiver ak-47's weigh near 10 lbs.! yes, nearly as much as your m1a. (a stamped receiver akm model weighs about 7 lbs.) the sa-m7 se;;s in the $575-650 price range. for about 8 bones, you can start looking at norinco pre-ban's...always a good choice. |
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My 2 cents - fro what it's worth is to go with a Romanian SAR-3 (cheap beater), but love the fact that I can interchange the ammo with my Armalight. Can pick them up fir about $280 from a dealer in NY (forgot his name, but will look for it the weekend if you're inclined
Mail me at grepit@techemail (to remind me) and I'll see if canfind the invoice I rcvd |
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I have two AK47's both in 7.62X39.
One is a preban Chinese Polytech National Match with a 20" heavy barrel and milled reciever. The other is a postban Hungarian SA 85M standard length with a stamped reciever. I put a pistol grip and stock on it from K-Var Corp. The blonde grip and stock matched the handguards perfectly. The Polytech I bought for $900.00 NIB and the Hungarian I bought used for $325.00. Both are great rifles but I like the Hungarian better cause its lighter and shorter. If I were you I'd go with a Hungarian SA 85M. It has a flawless finish unlike the SAR's and built better. SAR's have very poor finish and some I've seen at gunshows were very poor quality. Don't get me wrong, you can find a good one and they are rugged and reliable, they wont jam but I like guns with a nice finish. I wouldn't mind having one for a good beat around gun. Now for your AK47 you'll need some good mags. Go to K-Var Corp and order the synthetic Bulgarian waffle mags. They are new for $10.00 each. These mags are incredible. They look great, won't rattle like steel mags and function perfectly. They are also steel reinforced. I bought 20 from them and I have never had any trouble with any of them. Out of 20 I had 2 that needed to be filed just a little to fit. They were a little tight but they only needed about 2 or 3 swips with a hand file to make them fit perfect. Good luck with your purchase and happy shooting. |
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Thanks for all your comments. I will be at the Indy 1500 in June, so I was hoping to get one there if possible. I am from the Peoples republic of Illinois, but Indiana allows me to purchase there with a lot less hassle. Addtionally, the reason I was thinking about 7.62 was just the price of the ammo.
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I love my SAR1! Since I sees pictures posted,
here's mine with custom painted stocks from www.nouglyguns.com |
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Drums are fun, I got my sar-1 NIB with a 75rnd drum for $370, It works great, It has alot more recoil than my AR and the muzzle climbs alot, but its a good reliable gun, I dont especially like the trigger pull though, It hurts my finger, also the gun gets real hot really fast.
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Go to the AK forum, there are links on how to resolve the "trigger slap", or go to Red Star Arms and get the trigger assy for 79.00! Resolves slap, 2 stage and adds 3 US parts to your parts count! redstararms.com/ Fixing the slap: blackrifle.gunsnet.net/triggerslap.htm Threads: ak.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=51742 ak.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=51498 There are more, just do a search..... |
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I'm going to concur with grepit and recommend an SAR-3. It's biggest benefit being the light recoil (when compared to 7.62X39) and it's ammo interchangibility with your AR.
If you didn't already own an AR, I would probably recommend an SAR-2. Even lighter recoil makes for fast follow up shots. I no longer own any AK's in 7.62X39 after experiencing the low recoil and superior (IMHO) ballistics of AK's chambered in .223 & 5.45. |
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Yeah the drums are a riot. Havent tried to bump fire with it yet though...heheheh. I get giggiling just running though them quick, and yes, it does heat the barrel up terribly.
MarkRB, where are you in IL? If you are close maybe we could get together for a shoot sometime if you want to try mine out. |
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today at the bigtown show, i too picked up a romulan sar3 and some waffle mags. i specifically sought out the .223 just to avoid a new caliber and be consistent with my ar ammo. gonna try the redstar trigger and polymer stock. my ak consultant bud said i did good getting the sar3 over the norinco. |
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romulan huh? i've got a klingon ar180b. |
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It's not a pre-ban as in pre-89 import ban. The "91" indicates what year it was imported (or possibly when they started importing them), just like the MAK-90. In order to have it in the configuration pictured now, you must have some of the original chinese parts replaced with US made ones. The parts that are typically replaced with US ones are the trigger, hammer, disconnector, gas piston, and pistol grip. Some of the US conversions had only 4 parts replaced in the rifle itself, and required you to use a US made floorplate in the mag. It appears that your rifle may perhaps be in an illegal configuration as it is pictured - the entire stock set appears original, and there are no US made drum components that I am aware of (similar to swapping the floorplate with a US one). Now, I'm no lawyer, but... the law the rifle may be in violation with is 922(r), and actually unlike the 94 crime bill, the it only outlaws the manufacturing of such a firearm and not possession, so the person who sold it to you is the only one who actually broke the law. That doesn't mean that it's not a possible candidate for confiscation, however. Technically, the rifle is pre-94. However, it is unlikely to have been in a "semi automatic assault weapon" configuration before 94 and thus be grandfathered. In fact, since the muzzle appears to be bare of threads, it still isn't considered a "semi automatic assault weapon" - it is just non-sporting. I'm not sure when the whole "10 imported parts" thing was legally clarified, but I believe it was post 94, so there is no way it would have legally been in pre-ban (as in folding stock, threaded muzzle, etc) configuration before 9/94. Some have made the argument that if the rifle was illegally made into a semi-automatic assault weapon prior to 9/94, it is still technically grandfathered. Since a weapon in violation of 922(r) is not illegal to possess, just to manufacture, I have heard some say you would be OK if you had bought it like that. I don't particularly agree with this - even though it seems technically true to me (once again, I'm not a lawyer), it seems the gun could at least be confiscated as evidence in a crime. OTOH, if they have such a hard on for you that they try to nail you for something like this, chances are they'll find (or make sure they'll find) something else anyway. Rocko |
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Yup, that just confused the hell outta me. So its a pre-ban, non-preban, non assault, non sporting rifle? Ugh. Just dont tell anybody I got it. Hehehe. Seriously, you are saying to be leagle it probably needs some parts swapped out right? I was thinking of doing a trigger swap anyway.
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Yes, you need to swap out a total of 5 parts. You can get a US parts kit from places like K-VAR, Global Trades, etc. However, if you're gonna buy new stuff, you may as well go for the Red Star Arms trigger group - I believe that replaces the trigger, hammer, and disconnector, so you got 3 right there. As I said, the gas piston is one of the other widely available US made parts, so that's 4. I think that's about it that is US made for internals - I don't think anyone makes a US made bolt or carrier. This means to be legal, you'd need to swap out some furniture or use US made floorplates in your mgas (so no drum) - note that the upper and lower handguard together only count as one part, so it would be the pistol grip, buttstock, or handguards. All the possible legal ramblings aside, what you have is really considered a postban US made rifle (well, after you swap out the parts, that is). This means that the pistol grip and detachable mag > 10 rounds is OK, just like an new manufacture AR, but a folding stock, flash supressor or threaded barrel, bayo lug, etc isn't. Rocko |
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The year of manufacture on Garhead's NHM91 should be the first two digits of the serial number. Based on the fact that the muzzle is unthreaded, my hunch is that the gun was made in 1993 or later. My own NHM91 was made in '92
(serial # under 00700) and still had the threaded muzzle. It came with the chopped off rear end of a muzzle brake threaded on to it to cover the threads. If the manufacture date on the side of the reciever is 93 or later, the advise about U.S. built parts replacement is good to follow. It's a relatively inexpensive way to stay straight w/the feds |
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you can't. if you've got money to spend, and you were gonna spend it THAT weekend, why the hell ain't your butt registered for the BRC? i mean, hell, you don't even have to go outta state for it. |
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I saw an SA-M7 at a gunshow this weekend The dealer wanted $610 for it NEW Looked really nice (From my small amount of AK smarts)
but it me the fromt grip is ugly as hell though I like the synthetic |
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