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Posted: 12/27/2012 7:15:32 AM EDT
I picked up some CFE 223 gearing up to start reloading. Just wondering based on your experiences what you prefer for reloading 5.56 NATO and using CFE 223. I am leaning toward CCI #41 primers at this time.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:30:46 AM EDT
cc41 or Federal GM205AR are specifically made for 5.56 reloading.
These primers are less sensitive and prevent slam fire from the free float firing pin in the ar rifle.
I have used both with great sucess.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:37:20 AM EDT
Thanks. One other question. Do you use a hand primer or a press for priming? I was looking at a RCBS APS priming tool but I saw someone said you could not use CCI primers. I'm trying to get the things that will be hard to get first like powder and primers but am looking at equipment to get started.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:56:04 AM EDT
Just scored 2K CCI #41 primers.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 8:21:27 AM EDT
I think most guys use Winchester small rifle primers in sevice rifle competition. Remington 7 1/2 BR primers are also popular.

Hodgdon's CFE223 reloading data uses Winchester Small Rifle.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 8:46:45 AM EDT
Based on Hogdon's data can I use CCI #41s or is that a no go.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 8:55:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 9:20:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dryflash3:
I use CFE 223 in my precision loads. So I have only used Rem 7 1/2 primers.

Go to Hodgdon's site for load data.

If you substitute primers, begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs.

Same as for any like but different component.


dryflash, How many grains of CFE powder are you using with the Siera 69 grain bullet? Does it shoot well in a Colt 1/7 twist barrel?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 9:23:31 AM EDT
BTW Sinclairitl has Winchester Small Rifle primers in stock.


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Link Posted: 12/27/2012 9:53:37 AM EDT
Already pulled the plug on #41s thinking it wouldn't be a problem. Hope I can use them. I will be combing the Hogdon data to see if I can use them. If anyone else has used CCI 41s with CFE please chime in. I would like to know if I have not made a mistake buying 41s.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:10:03 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:57:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Already pulled the plug on #41s thinking it wouldn't be a problem. Hope I can use them. I will be combing the Hogdon data to see if I can use them. If anyone else has used CCI 41s with CFE please chime in. I would like to know if I have not made a mistake buying 41s.


The 7 1/2 rem primers that Dryflash is using are also Magnum primers just like the CCI#41 are too. You will be fine with them. In fact the way you have posted this it seems you want to load these to 5.56 pressures anyway. If that is the case then the CCI#41 primers are the only one I would recommend be used. IMHO
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 1:58:25 PM EDT
Yeah, my intention is to load to 5.56 pressures. I have a M&P15T with a 1 in 8 twist with 5R rifling. I have to decide on what bullet I will use. Probably a 62 grain or larger bullet. Someone is donating some brass to me so I don't know for sure if it's military brass or commercial gauge stuff. Hoping it will be military brass.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:09:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Yeah, my intention is to load to 5.56 pressures. I have a M&P15T with a 1 in 8 twist with 5R rifling. I have to decide on what bullet I will use. Probably a 62 grain or larger bullet. Someone is donating some brass to me so I don't know for sure if it's military brass or commercial gauge stuff. Hoping it will be military brass.


Not to piss in your pool. But loading to 5.56 pressures is not something a new reloader should jump into.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:32:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 3:16:04 PM EDT by xtreme762]
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Yeah, my intention is to load to 5.56 pressures. I have a M&P15T with a 1 in 8 twist with 5R rifling. I have to decide on what bullet I will use. Probably a 62 grain or larger bullet. Someone is donating some brass to me so I don't know for sure if it's military brass or commercial gauge stuff. Hoping it will be military brass.


Not to piss in your pool. But loading to 5.56 pressures is not something a new reloader should jump into.


Agreed! I think once you get to it, you'll find that loading to 5.56 pressures isn't as easy as you think.

That being said, I've used CCI 41's, FED GM205M's, and REM 7 1/2's. They all hold up great to the higher pressure spectrum. The FED GM205M's are the most consistent, and accurate out of the three for me. YMMV.

ETA: These are all magnum primers, BTW.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:37:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 3:16:30 PM EDT by xtreme762]
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
I use CFE 223 in my precision loads. So I have only used Rem 7 1/2 primers.

Go to Hodgdon's site for load data.

If you substitute primers, begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs.

Same as for any like but different component.



This is one thing I've not done yet with CFE223. I'll have to do a work up with REM 7 1/2's and see how it goes. You say precision loads? Are we talking 1/2", 3/4", OR?

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:48:43 PM EDT
I have the help of a friend who is ex service and an old national match competitive shooter. Loaded his stuff for a very long time and everything under the sun. He uses CFE223 for his 300 Blackout loads and uses CCI 400 but said I should be fine with the 41s. I won't do a thing without him schooling me the whole way. Just getting setup. Appreciate input from many experienced reloaders to verify as I go. Thanks for all your help everyone. Taking it one step at a time and only with supervision.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:24:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
I have the help of a friend who is ex service and an old national match competitive shooter. Loaded his stuff for a very long time and everything under the sun. He uses CFE223 for his 300 Blackout loads and uses CCI 400 but said I should be fine with the 41s. I won't do a thing without him schooling me the whole way. Just getting setup. Appreciate input from many experienced reloaders to verify as I go. Thanks for all your help everyone. Taking it one step at a time and only with supervision.


" You have chosen wisely " I didn't have that kind of help back when I started up. But I did read everything I could here for about a year before I started. Needless to say it made the learning curve much, much shorter.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:35:09 PM EDT
Will be picking up Lyman's 49th Edition to help me get started too. Will supplement with what I can get my hands on. Will suck it up as much as I can before I actually dive in. Will be hanging out here as much as possible too. I'm not too eager to blow myself up or anyone else.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:37:50 PM EDT
Skiddish of slam fire. My buddy told me about it. He knew someone that came away with minimal injury from a slam fire. The 41s are supposed to negate the chance of slam fire.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:52:14 PM EDT
Is your rifle listed as a 223 chamber or 556 ??
This will change slightly the size and shape of your chamber.
556 are loaded to higher pressure.
Later
John
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:56:31 PM EDT
As the above posters have stated...the CCI 41 is a good primer and it will ignite any powder and it has a hard cup...

Let us know what brass you are getting and what bullet that you want to push...our opinions may change on reaching NATO pressure with certain brass/bullet combinations...
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 4:59:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Skiddish of slam fire. My buddy told me about it. He knew someone that came away with minimal injury from a slam fire. The 41s are supposed to negate the chance of slam fire.



A real slam fire in an AR can only take place when the bolt is locked into battery. That is the only time the firing pin can reach the primer and it would have to be stuck in the firing postion ( As in real dirty or damaged ). What can be far worse is debris on the bolt face . Which can strike off the primer before the bolt is in battery. Now that is a KA-BOOM
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:16:22 PM EDT
John, my barrel clearly states 5.56 NATO 5R. drmgallen, I will let you know about the brass and bullets. Like I stated above I am really hoping the brass will be military because my buddy providing the brass is a paramilitary trainer and does work overseas. He should be using military rounds. Don't know about bullets but they may just be bulk 62 grain stuff. Saw some tactical 70 grain Barnes bullets I really like but they are a tad pricey for me right now. Reef, not sure what weapon my buddy was referring to when he was telling me his story about slam fire. I know he mentioned Springfield semis. Can't remember if he said anything about any bolt action rifles. Doubt he was talking about an AR but thanks for the info. It sounded nasty.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:18:32 PM EDT
Does anyone have a preferred reloading manual they really like? Opinions welcome.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:25:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
John, my barrel clearly states 5.56 NATO 5R. drmgallen, I will let you know about the brass and bullets. Like I stated above I am really hoping the brass will be military because my buddy providing the brass is a paramilitary trainer and does work overseas. He should be using military rounds. Don't know about bullets but they may just be bulk 62 grain stuff. Saw some tactical 70 grain Barnes bullets I really like but they are a tad pricey for me right now. Reef, not sure what weapon my buddy was referring to when he was telling me his story about slam fire. I know he mentioned Springfield semis. Can't remember if he said anything about any bolt action rifles. Doubt he was talking about an AR but thanks for the info. It sounded nasty.


Look at the 62 gr Barnes bullets...the 70s are very long...and your 1/8 may not stabilize them...

If you are getting .mil brass we are here to help you process it...:-)

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:31:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
John, my barrel clearly states 5.56 NATO 5R. drmgallen, I will let you know about the brass and bullets. Like I stated above I am really hoping the brass will be military because my buddy providing the brass is a paramilitary trainer and does work overseas. He should be using military rounds. Don't know about bullets but they may just be bulk 62 grain stuff. Saw some tactical 70 grain Barnes bullets I really like but they are a tad pricey for me right now. Reef, not sure what weapon my buddy was referring to when he was telling me his story about slam fire. I know he mentioned Springfield semis. Can't remember if he said anything about any bolt action rifles. Doubt he was talking about an AR but thanks for the info. It sounded nasty.


I did see a guy KA-BOOM an M1A at the range one day. It destroyed the rifle and the base plate of the mag was stuck in the wood bench about 3/4". He was OK though. I was thinking that was an over charge though.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:43:23 PM EDT
62 grain makes sense. Yeah, I'm sure you would help me process that mil brass.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:46:35 PM EDT
Reef I don't wanna experience that for sure. I like my parts where they are.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 5:51:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Does anyone have a preferred reloading manual they really like? Opinions welcome.
Most all Loading manuals are biased toward their product (bullets or powder). The newest Lyman book is verygood for beginners

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:02:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By aviserated1:

Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Does anyone have a preferred reloading manual they really like? Opinions welcome.
Most all Loading manuals are biased toward their product (bullets or powder). The newest Lyman book is verygood for beginners



Thanks aviserated1. Noted. I was going to start with the Lyman's.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:20:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 6:23:46 PM EDT by drmgallen]
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
62 grain makes sense. Yeah, I'm sure you would help me process that mil brass.


Some reloading porn...

62 gr PRVI....pushed by 25 gr H335...



Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:32:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
62 grain makes sense. Yeah, I'm sure you would help me process that mil brass.


Some reloading porn...

62 gr PRVI....pushed by 25 gr H335...

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww219/lares556/223run_zps7a2051fe.jpg



Nice!!
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:56:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:58:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 6:58:19 PM EDT
I've been using nothing but CCI400 with CFE and 55gr pills. No issues
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:40:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JerzeyTransplant:
I've been using nothing but CCI400 with CFE and 55gr pills. No issues


I have used a metric boatload of the CCI 400s as well with no issues. Been using them for years...
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 9:31:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 9:32:35 PM EDT by knight_dive]
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
Does anyone have a preferred reloading manual they really like? Opinions welcome.


ABC's of Reloading probably gets the moat recommendations, but the best manual is a whole pile of manuals. They will all use slightly different component combinations, slightly different methods, and different results. So they all have something useful to offer. I like data from powder manufacturers. Ramshot and Accurate manuals can be downloaded for free from their websites. Since you plan to use CFE223 obviously the hodgdon loading data center offers a lot more than their printed manual, and can be sorted by powder and bullet weight. I print out combinations I'm interested in and keep them in a binder with my loading notes. I also check them against the Sierra manual and may pick up a Hornady manual since I'm using more of their bullets. The notebook is also important. It's a good idea to keep meticulous notes about your process and refer to them often to help you with the learning process. That can be especially helpful if you don't want to blow up your rifle.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 3:38:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Originally Posted By SwampFox67:
62 grain makes sense. Yeah, I'm sure you would help me process that mil brass.


Some reloading porn...

62 gr PRVI....pushed by 25 gr H335...

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww219/lares556/223run_zps7a2051fe.jpg



Don't get me started.

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