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Posted: 7/20/2009 4:44:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2009 4:47:05 AM EST by Tekpc007]
Remington 547
Ruger 77/22
Savage Mark II
CZ 452

So I can't keep blowing 200$ at the range on .223 every weekend and I'm sitting on 10k of .22lr so I decided I'm going to get a nice bolt action .22. Will be shooting between 25 to 100 yards with bipod or benchrest and with irons and stick some decent optic on it also. Been doing some research but I thought I'd make a poll... Which would you get and why? 800$ is my budget.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 7:39:30 AM EST
I love my 452. excellent factory sights, feels well built, feels very "natural" to me but that varies from person to person, quite accurate too.

and if you buy a model with irons and wanted to step up to something even nicer you can always put a set of Brno target sights on it.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 7:41:11 AM EST
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=134565024

Actually, I highly recommend the 17 HMR if you don't have one.

Ammo is still pretty cheap and much flatter shooting.

I have a different model Anshutz in 17 HM2 and she's a tack-driver. Let's me pop the musk rats in the pond without the neighbors shitting their drawers.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 7:55:21 AM EST
CZ

Link Posted: 7/20/2009 8:55:42 AM EST
I dunno. At an $800 budget, it seems hard to beat a $300 bull-barrel Savage MkII, top it with a really primo optic, and still have money left over for ammo. OTOH, the CZ 452 is certifiably a very nice piece of work....
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 9:14:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By WabashMX5:
I dunno. At an $800 budget, it seems hard to beat a $300 bull-barrel Savage MkII, top it with a really primo optic, and still have money left over for ammo. OTOH, the CZ 452 is certifiably a very nice piece of work....


This, for what you listed, the Savage does the bill and then some.
Get another 10k of ammo after.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 10:12:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2009 10:16:57 AM EST by JamesP81]
Originally Posted By Tekpc007:
Remington 547
Ruger 77/22
Savage Mark II
CZ 452

So I can't keep blowing 200$ at the range on .223 every weekend and I'm sitting on 10k of .22lr so I decided I'm going to get a nice bolt action .22. Will be shooting between 25 to 100 yards with bipod or benchrest and with irons and stick some decent optic on it also. Been doing some research but I thought I'd make a poll... Which would you get and why? 800$ is my budget.


In my opinion, this is the order:

1. CZ452 or Savage Mark II
2. Ruger 77/22
3. Remington 547

I'd also consider the Marlin 7000.

I have the Savage. It's accuracy will be determined by the quality of ammo and the shooter. I shot this group at 50 yards using Lapua Midas+ ammunition:



That's three rounds in the top hole, and two rounds in bottom one, for a total of 5 shots at 50 yards. The good Lapua ammo I shot this with is expensive as hell (about the same as 9mm WWB at Wal Mart) Cheaper ammo doesn't shoo this well, obviously, but for cheap ammo with good accuracy, I'd go for CCI Standard Velocity, if you can find it. If not, Federal value packs are the next best thing.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 10:42:20 AM EST
I ran into the same issue several months back and decided on the ruger 77/22. Mainly because I can use the same mags and loader I already have for the 10/22. I looked at CZ but were Americans, so buy American. Even if it is $200 more
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 11:40:09 AM EST
i am leaning towards the ruger 77/22 due to the fact that i have mags for it from the 10/22 and I can do barrel changes myself and get a really nice barrel, parts seem to be plentiful for the 77/22 also including stocks and trigger fix
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 11:43:53 AM EST
I love my Savage Mako.
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 3:01:17 PM EST
Savage MKII BTV is what I got. Excellent gun, I have no complaints... and it shoots!
Link Posted: 7/20/2009 4:09:17 PM EST
Here's one that I own & it IS a tackdriver!

Browning T-bolt composite Varmit/target.

Priced right & the trigger is silky smooth & can be owner adjusted via allen screw to go lighter. I added a Nikon 6x18x40 scope on it & let me tell ya, it takes a back seat to NO other .22 rifle.


Required pic:

Link Posted: 7/21/2009 6:17:22 AM EST
I have 3 of the 4 you listed in the poll. The CZ out shoots the other 2 hands down out of
the box. Box stock the CZ trigger has slightly less creep then the other two but is still
noticable and ugly. I added a sear kit and scope rail from Rimfire Technologies and it now
has no noticable creep and the pull droped from 4.3lb average to just under 2lbs with
the stock spring.







Link Posted: 7/21/2009 8:00:17 AM EST
I run across used Annies with benchrest stocks in the $400-500 range all the time. The Mossberg US44 formerly available from CMP for $175 is pretty accurate too.
Link Posted: 7/21/2009 11:08:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:
I have 3 of the 4 you listed in the poll.


Mind if I ask which the other two are?

Nice CZ, BTW.

Link Posted: 7/21/2009 11:20:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tekpc007:
i am leaning towards the ruger 77/22 due to the fact that i have mags for it from the 10/22 and I can do barrel changes myself and get a really nice barrel, parts seem to be plentiful for the 77/22 also including stocks and trigger fix


The 77/22 is a damned good rifle. I've seen some that were nail drivers.
Link Posted: 7/21/2009 8:09:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By WabashMX5:
Mind if I ask which the other two are?

Nice CZ, BTW.


Thanks
Savage & 77/22




Link Posted: 7/21/2009 8:30:24 PM EST
First group of the day with my Savage MKII LBV, with witnesses.

Ammo was FGMM, 5 shots at 50 yards with a Burris 1.5-5x scope.

Wish all my groups were like this, but it's nice to know the rifle can do it. This is a pre-accutrigger model too, using all stock parts.

Link Posted: 7/22/2009 7:41:56 AM EST
I recently went through the same thing and decided on a Sako Quad. Reportedly at least as good if not better then any of the rifles listed and they are being sold for blow out prices right now. They come with great triggers and barrels, decent after market support and best of all, if you desire you can be easily convert one from from .22LF to .22WMR to .17HM2 to .17HMR and back again within minutes.

If you are looking for something more traditional and aren't impressed with the quick change barrel system of the Quad then I would suggest the CZ-452
Link Posted: 7/22/2009 7:46:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By HotRod9mm:
I have 3 of the 4 you listed in the poll. The CZ out shoots the other 2 hands down out of
the box. Box stock the CZ trigger has slightly less creep then the other two but is still
noticable and ugly. I added a sear kit and scope rail from Rimfire Technologies and it now
has no noticable creep and the pull droped from 4.3lb average to just under 2lbs with
the stock spring.

What exactly is your association with Rimfire Technologies?

Link Posted: 7/25/2009 4:03:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/27/2009 5:20:54 PM EST
If I wasn't biased by 60+ year old match smallbore rifles, I'd recommend the CZ. That is the closest, thing to how they used to make `em.


I shoot a Winchester 52A and a Remington 37. Old, heavy, overbuilt, dead-nuts accurate.


A CZ is still on my list, because they are beautiful and I wouldn't panic if it rolled off the rest.
Link Posted: 7/28/2009 8:38:32 AM EST
The Savage MK II BV is average- I own one, but in the case of mine, price is about all it has going for it. It is a decent rifle, but mine is rough. I wish I could boast groups similar to what has been posted, but I have not been able to get that out of mine. I regulary shoot tighter groups at 50y with my Mossberg 1944 trainer and target sights than I do with my 2008 Mark II with 6-24x scope. The Savage even has a better trigger. This might be a break in issue, but groups have not tightened up yet at 1000 rounds. Pulling a patch through the bore, it feels very rough, even when clean. There are also visible concentric maching marks that can be seen inside the muzzle that cut through the lands and grooves less than 1mm from the crown.

If you are the type to appreciate a rifle for what it is, not only what it can do, and money is not tight, by all means get the CZ. I have seen some gentlelmen at the range getting phenomenal results out of 452s and Brooks triggers at the range.

According the discussion at RimfireCentral, the CZ 452s also tend to be slightly more accurate, on average.
Link Posted: 7/28/2009 9:48:55 AM EST
Get one of the Kimber 82's from the CMP.

CMP Kimber 82
Link Posted: 7/28/2009 10:03:56 AM EST
I have to agree with a previous poster that you should at least consider the Sako... a Finnfire if you can find one, but they are harder all the time to find now. The Quad would be next in line and as was said they can be had very reasonably now. My Finnfire is more accurate than I ever imagined a 22lr hunting rifle could be. (a pleasant surprise to be sure)
Link Posted: 7/28/2009 5:07:29 PM EST
CZ

My daughters scout is a lazer for being so short.
One of these days a scope is going to find it's way on it.

If i find a full size it is going into the collection.

The rifle is more accurate than me.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 11:08:14 AM EST
I love my Savage Mark II. I don't think you can beat it for the price and the accuracy
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 5:36:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/31/2009 5:37:11 PM EST by rp85]
hello;

vote for the old .22 rifles. had my wife's grandfather's remington model 512 dilled and tapped for a scope mount. discovered it will shoot circles around my remington 541t.

no telling how old the rifle is and it looked like it was used for a boat paddle a time or two. stock/metal cleaned up nice.

rp
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 5:03:42 PM EST
Originally Posted By rp85:
hello;

vote for the old .22 rifles. had my wife's grandfather's remington model 512 dilled and tapped for a scope mount. discovered it will shoot circles around my remington 541t.

no telling how old the rifle is and it looked like it was used for a boat paddle a time or two. stock/metal cleaned up nice.

rp


Vote for another oldtimer - Mossberg 144LSB. Mine likes the cheaper ammo (CCI standard velocity).
Link Posted: 8/2/2009 4:46:17 PM EST
I voted CZ since you said you wanted to shoot it iron sights the ones I have seen have a ladder sight so you can change it for different ranges like a old mauser. They are much better than the savage sights that I have seen although Savage is supposed to have a model with a peep sight standard. I am sure you could get peep sights added to any of them though.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:22:39 PM EST
You didn't list it, but the Remington model Five is another great choice(based on mine). I have a Bushnell 4-12X50 scope with adjustable objective on it(overkill for a rimfire, I know but got a good price), and can easily shoot the lids off of 20 oz bottles at 50 yards, good groups out to 70-as far as I've tried it so far. Got my rifle for $275, the scope for roughly $60 and another $10 for rings. The only rings I could find that would allow me to keep the sights on the rifle were the see through rings, but I wanted to keep the sights, and I'm a bad one for remembering where I put a set of sights when I take them off.
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