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Posted: 4/12/2002 5:04:44 AM EDT
I've lurked here, newly registered, and a longtime veteran of the Tuco boards. My only previous experience with the AR was USMC 72-74 (My, how time flies!). Folks on the other boards all recommended your folks here; I'd appreciate your experience and input on the following:

Local dealer has this: Colt Sporter Target Model Cal 223, Model 6551. S/N is ST 019xxx, which checks out as preban. It is an AR15 A2 with bayo lug and has closed-bottom birdcage flashhider. Rifle is 97-98%, no wear on the receiver, couple scuffs on the barrel forward of the FS. The barrel is stamped C MP 5.56 NATO 1/9 HBAR, the bore is bright and the lands sharp. Little wear to the carrier and FCG parts finish. It comes with 4 Colt made 20 round mags in GI pouch, the mags have some external finish wear as they are gold-gray in color, but no dents.

The rifle also has a .22 cal conversion unit and three T-shaped mags (inserts) for it, only marking on the .22 unit itself is 104310 RW.

The 1/9 twist would work for the bullet weights I intend to shoot, but I was wondering if this is the decent deal that it appears to be. The entire package is $1000.

Also, can anyone tell who made the .22 conversion unit? No marks on the mags, and only the 104310 RW is on the unit, no other tradenames or marks.



Link Posted: 4/12/2002 5:49:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 5:56:33 AM EDT
Very good deal. I think that .22 conversion is made by Colt. Last I bought one is $200.00 (the .22 conversion)with only one T-shaped mag insert.
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 6:38:33 AM EDT
Man, I am afraid I would break my arm reaching for my wallet on this one. . .

Link Posted: 4/12/2002 7:44:38 AM EDT
Hey BRS. Welcome to AR15.com! As for that pre-ban Colt for a grand… BUY IT! That’s an excellent deal if the rifle is as you describe. The only thing I’d tell you is that a few of the specs you laid out don’t jive with a Colt OEM rifle (doesn’t meant the rifle isn’t good though). Except for the 1/9 twist barrel, I would have said you’re looking at a Colt R6600 HBAR, but they were 1/7 twist. The Colt R6551 is the Sporter Target model (hence the ST serial number prefix) and would have come from the factory with a chrome lined 20” 1/7 A2 profile barrel with no bayonet lug. The stamping on the barrel would have been C MP 5.56 NATO 1/7. It sounds to me like you have a Colt R6700 HBAR barrel mounted on an R6551 A2 receiver. The R6700 came with the HBAR barrel, 1/9 twist and had a bayonet lug. The Sporters didn’t (as a rule) ship with the bayonet lug and the R6551 definitely didn’t come with a heavy barrel.

All in all, I still say buy it as this sounds like an awesome pre-ban for a grand!

Don’t know about the conversion kit though. There’s a good chance it too is a genuine Colt.
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 8:08:54 AM EDT
GRAB IT! That is a great deal on a preban Colt. Just think about it, the cost of a new postban can be around $850 and that comes only with a sling and one ten round mag. I would buy it in a heartbeat. BTW, welcome aboard and Semper Fi!
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 8:17:54 AM EDT
Thanks to all for the responses! I appreciate your time, experience, and input!

BMANSAR15: I wondered about the barrel, also. All the charts on the various sites that I checked indicated that it should have been 1:7. The S/N is clearly a Sport Target, and preban. Either it was a mixup or maybe a special order. A field strip at the dealer's leads me to believe that is is not rebarreled or refinished. I am not terribly experienced with ARs since the mid-70s and the bewildering number of Colt models and variants doesn't help.

The same dealer has another Colt AR15, a postban Match that's pretty hammered. There is no lug and no muzzle break. It has a barrel marking of R MP 5.56 NATO HBAR. That's right, R. It is not a lightly struck B, it is an R when looking under 10 and 20 power magnification. I thought that Colt rifles would have only C marked barrels?

Thanks again!

Link Posted: 4/12/2002 9:30:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 9:55:06 AM EDT

Pardon the newbie question, but wouldn't that have a negative effect on value, if the upper was swapped?

Link Posted: 4/12/2002 10:47:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 11:01:35 AM EDT
Agreed....if all looks as good as it sounds its well worth the asking price. You can allways get the upper (in a pre-ban config) of your choice if it matters to you.
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 11:16:51 AM EDT
Buy it! You can't get those .22 conversion kits for under $200, so that makes the pre-ban rifle, $800! Buy it!

Ciener (sp?) makes .22 conversion kits also.
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 11:36:34 AM EDT
It sounds unanimous, you all twisted my arm.

When I get it squared away, cleaned and gone over, I'll get it out to the range after the Mud season is over and perf some paper. It may be a while before a range report.

Again, thank you all for the time and the input.

Link Posted: 4/12/2002 12:42:16 PM EDT
can i get your opinion this one........?

add in a local AZ. on line trading site.......

""Colt Match Target Rifle Model 6551(Heavy barreled AR15. Test fired only, like new in box
Condition: Like New $850 ""

are some Model 6551 post ban ??
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 1:36:09 PM EDT
Jack, it is a post-ban rifle. Pre-ban versions were designated as R6551 and post-ban as MT6551. It is not a bad price, just not great. Unless, of course, it is a pre-ban that someone advertised incorrectly. If so, the s/n will be something like STxxxxxx.
Link Posted: 4/12/2002 6:34:48 PM EDT
Good choice BRS! Buy that Colt, you'll love it! We look forward to the range report.

CactusJack - Match Target Colts are post-1994 rifles. It will have a 3 letter serial number prefix. Also, the MT6551 should not be a true HBAR, similar to what I said to BRS above, it should have the A2 profile barrel (light under handguards/heavy forward of handguards). The MT6601 is the HBAR model, neither the R6551 nor MT6551 should have HBAR stamped on top of the barrel.

IMO, $850 for a used (test fired by whom?) post-ban Colt is a little high in my area, but not totally unreasonable. If it's in good shape, go for it.
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