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Posted: 8/24/2004 2:24:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 6:26:06 PM EST by DmL5]
I created this thread to provide some pictures of the FN 5.7mm P-90 in use with units around the world, for those interested; My first unit will be the US Secret Service, and more of other units later.

EDIT: I can't post the pics now, will have to later.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:32:38 PM EST
You don't play nice do you?

Had a serious hard on and I see no pics.

DO NOT tease!!!!! It's just wrong!!
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:34:09 PM EST
How much later
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:05:11 PM EST
http://www.imageshack.us/

try these guys...darn easy to use upload and they give you a link to copy and paste and thats it...no muss no fuss or adding syntax
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:08:07 PM EST
Awwww. WHat the..................

Chris
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:38:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/3/2005 12:51:57 PM EST by DmL5]
I will post more pictures of other units using the P-90 later; I took long on this because i've been busy.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:48:06 PM EST
Very cool.

I wonder if we'll ever get to see a semi auto version of that we the people can actually own?

Chris
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:41:54 PM EST
Are they recruiting, Ill be out a job next september if Im lucky...
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 6:47:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 6:52:04 PM EST by DmL5]
Thai SF with P-90:

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/7715/01aug03_exvigil1_big.jpg

http://img16.exs.cx/img16/357/157695.jpg

Lower quality pics; in the first picture, you can see that some of the operators on land are carrying suppressed P-90's.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 7:02:10 PM EST
Belgian DSU/ESI with P-90:

http://img2.exs.cx/img2/3093/BelgianDSU-2.bmp
http://img2.exs.cx/img2/1386/DSUp90.bmp

The Belgian ESI (now known as DSU) replaced the HK MP5 with the FN P-90 and also use the Five-seveN.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:16:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:22:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/12/2004 1:49:16 PM EST by DmL5]
Peruvian SF operators with P-90's in the Lima, Peru incident:

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/4239/p910.jpg

http://img10.exs.cx/img10/8373/9223.jpg

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/766/9184.jpg

The Lima, Peru raid was an outstanding success and the leader of the terrorists was killed with one chest shot through Level III body armor fired from the team leader's suppressed P-90. Here is some more info I found regarding the assault:


I remember reading that the P90 got its first human kill on that little outing- apparently FN were all over them asking how the weapon performed.

I have met some of the people involved in the embassy attack in peru. The most ordinary bunch of people i ever met. They have a close bond to each other ever since that event.

Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:36:32 AM EST
Awesome.

Have always been impressed with the design. DmL5, you seem to be a fan as well!

Thanks for the pics!
-LS
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 7:26:17 AM EST
from the september 6th edition of Shot Gun New
In refrence to the US civvie market

Currently in development is a semi-automatic carbine based on the P90


This is definetly happy news, I'd rather have an civvie FN2000, but I'll take a P90 any day!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 8:37:01 AM EST
sweet
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 9:07:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
from the september 6th edition of Shot Gun New
In refrence to the US civvie market

Currently in development is a semi-automatic carbine based on the P90


This is definetly happy news, I'd rather have an civvie FN2000, but I'll take a P90 any day!



I LOVE IT (Yea I'm a SG1 Fan too)

I wonder when they will have more info about it?
I would pre order TWO today!!!!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 9:10:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 12:24:39 PM EST by DmL5]

Awesome.

Have always been impressed with the design. DmL5, you seem to be a fan as well!

Thanks for the pics!




Yep; probably the best word to describe the P-90 would innovation. I have no idea how someone could think up such a gun. Somewhere I heard the name of the person that thought up the magazine, but I can't remember it. I've still got plenty of pics left.

Cyprus National Guard with P-90's:

http://img38.exs.cx/img38/8008/337_3.jpg

The Cyprus National Guard purchased 350 P-90's and 250 Five-seveN's in 2000; the Cyprus Army SF use them as well.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 9:22:03 AM EST
I want one
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 10:23:01 AM EST
Great pics. Thanks for posting them!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 10:51:54 AM EST
I shot one with the Dutch Army. Pretty neat. Just kind of vibrated during full auto.

Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:01:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 11:02:08 AM EST by DmL5]

I shot one with the Dutch Army. Pretty neat. Just kind of vibrated during full auto.


Supposedly the Dutch Army is replacing the Glock 17 with the FN Five-seveN; have you heard anything about this?

US Burbank Police Department with P-90:

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/3702/3_27-28-428-646_20030822135114.jpg

Note that this officer would not be able to fire an MP5 in the position he is in because of the magazine length, but no problem as it is.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:05:29 AM EST
Olathe, KS SWAT with P-90:

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/9838/3_27-28-430-697_20030911204851.jpg

Many more pics later.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:10:01 AM EST
French GIGN with FN P-90's:

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/6374/trente0037.jpg

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/4594/trente0067.jpg

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/725/trente0082.jpg

If its good enough for the French GIGN (one of the most elite CT units in the world), its good enough for me; the French GIGN also use the FN Five-seveN.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:12:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:13:45 AM EST
cool pics.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:29:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 11:50:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/25/2004 11:52:43 AM EST by DmL5]
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 6:02:53 PM EST
Ok, youve effectively killed my computer with all the pictures, it wont load anything past the pics of the dutch guys. I guess the P90 is pretty effective...
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 8:05:40 PM EST
awesome pics! thanks alot!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 8:07:10 PM EST
After looking up the specs (and converting from mm, argh) it looks like a P90 semi with at least 6'' (6.5'' to be safe) added barrel will meet required overall length and 16'' barrel length

# Caliber: 5.7x28mm SS190
# Weight: 2.54 kg empty; 3 kg loaded with magazine with 50 rounds
# Length: 500 mm = 19.685''
# Barrel length: 263 mm = more than 10''
# Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
# Magazine capacity: 50 rounds
# Effective range: 200 meters

Which means it, if im not mistaken, would have an added civvie barrel that is less idiot-looking than the added length on Spechul Wepuns MP5s.

I think this thing has potential... if they keep the price under $1200 and made ammo more readilly available, i think it could be a keeper.

- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 8:20:18 PM EST
Yes thanks for the photos...

We keep getting closer to the "Star Wars" look.

MT
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:27:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
After looking up the specs (and converting from mm, argh) it looks like a P90 semi with at least 6'' (6.5'' to be safe) added barrel will meet required overall length and 16'' barrel length

# Caliber: 5.7x28mm SS190
# Weight: 2.54 kg empty; 3 kg loaded with magazine with 50 rounds
# Length: 500 mm = 19.685''
# Barrel length: 263 mm = more than 10''
# Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
# Magazine capacity: 50 rounds
# Effective range: 200 meters

Which means it, if im not mistaken, would have an added civvie barrel that is less idiot-looking than the added length on Spechul Wepuns MP5s.

I think this thing has potential... if they keep the price under $1200 and made ammo more readilly available, i think it could be a keeper.

- BUCC_Guy



That length wouldn't look bad at all.
maybe a perm attached fake suppressor?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:51:03 AM EST
I'd rather have a quad rail forward barrle shround the a faux suppressor.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:56:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By DmL5:


The US Secret Service are also using the Five-seveN pistol.




No, they're not. Plain and simple. I would check your source or where ever you got that notion from. They issue the P229 in .357sig as their side arm. The only thing they have done so far with the five seven, is look at it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 11:13:34 AM EST

No, they're not. Plain and simple. I would check your source or where ever you got that notion from.


My source is FN, and I doubt they have the guts to blatantly lie about someone using their weapons. What's your source that they aren't using it?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:16:03 PM EST
P-90

here's one you LEO's can buy for $1,400.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 12:19:40 PM EST
For the last pics
the first one belgian navy
2nd. dutch commando
3rd. belgian army MP
4th. belgian navy combat diver
8th. belgian army (test of P90)
10th. belgian army (test)
12th. a Safariland adv.
the last one, belgian combat diver!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:23:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By DmL5:

No, they're not. Plain and simple. I would check your source or where ever you got that notion from.


My source is FN, and I doubt they have the guts to blatantly lie about someone using their weapons. What's your source that they aren't using it?



Let's just say I got it straight from the horeses mouth. I'm sure they're considering using the pistol, but as of now, it's not operational with them.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:28:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:29:39 PM EST
Sweet batch of pics!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:53:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2004 11:55:59 AM EST by DmL5]
For those interested, here is a nice P-90 promotional video: www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=471

Its definitely worth a download: shows it pierce 48 layers of kevlar and a CRISAT vest, shows a guy shoot a P-90 in each hand, and shows how the round will not overpenetrate concrete, and much more.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:01:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2004 11:57:02 AM EST by DmL5]

Let's just say I got it straight from the horeses mouth. I'm sure they're considering using the pistol, but as of now, it's not operational with them.


I think we're both right; check out this link thoroughly: www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17542&highlight=secret+service+white+house
The agents guarding the WH use the Five-seveN, and the other agents use the Sig like you said.


I guess if you are pumping 12 rounds in a guy in the blink of an eye, terminal ballistics don't mean squat. No way I'm carrying the FiveSeven pistol though!!!


This 5.7mm ballistics issue is a oft-disputed one; here is a thread that gives some good views from both sides of the argument: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=10218

Be sure to read it through.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:42:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By DmL5:

]Let's just say I got it straight from the horeses mouth. I'm sure they're considering using the pistol, but as of now, it's not operational with them.


I think we're both right; check out this link thoroughly: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17542&highlight=secret+service+white+house
The agents guarding the WH use the Five-seveN, and the other agents use the Sig like you said.



Well, that link didn't really prove anything, acecpt there's more people that are misguided. When I said I got it straight from the hourses mouth, I meant it. If you still want to believe otherwise that's fine. I tried to clear it up.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 4:50:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By glock281:


That length wouldn't look bad at all.
maybe a perm attached fake suppressor?




If you look up the specs for whoever makes the silencer for the P90, I forget where I found it, it plus the barrel equals about 16 inches. So make it a fake can and it wouldn't look out of place at all.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:05:57 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/26/2004 5:47:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2004 11:57:25 AM EST by DmL5]

Well, that link didn't really prove anything, acecpt there's more people that are misguided. When I said I got it straight from the hourses mouth, I meant it. If you still want to believe otherwise that's fine. I tried to clear it up.


Where did the people in the link hear it? Why would FN lie about it? I'm not accusing you of lying, I think the story behind this is either:

1. Your source was not talking about the USSS as a whole.

or

2. You heard it awhile back, before they adopted it.

Do you have any idea how long ago it might have been that you got it from "the horse's mouth"? Supposedly the P-90 and Five-seveN were adopted in 2003; here is another proof thread: www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6447

Towards the middle of the thread: I have read in a gun magazine that the US Secret Service has acquired the FN Five-SeveN pistol and the FN P90 Tactical recently...
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:09:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By glock281:


That length wouldn't look bad at all.
maybe a perm attached fake suppressor?




If you look up the specs for whoever makes the silencer for the P90, I forget where I found it, it plus the barrel equals about 16 inches. So make it a fake can and it wouldn't look out of place at all.




Ewww... Fake can? Added barrel can't hurt and I'm not much into the "cool" factor.

- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 8:10:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By sayeretshaldag:
For the last pics
the first one belgian navy
2nd. dutch commando
3rd. belgian army MP
4th. belgian navy combat diver
8th. belgian army (test of P90)
10th. belgian army (test)
12th. a Safariland adv.
the last one, belgian combat diver!!



This is the most badass first post EVER. Welcome!

- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:41:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By DmL5:

Well, that link didn't really prove anything, acecpt there's more people that are misguided. When I said I got it straight from the hourses mouth, I meant it. If you still want to believe otherwise that's fine. I tried to clear it up.


Where did the people in the link hear it? Why would FN lie about it? I'm not accusing you of lying, I think the story behind this is either:

1. Your source was not talking about the USSS as a whole.

or

2. You heard it awhile back, before they adopted it.

Do you have any idea how long ago it might have been that you got it from "the horse's mouth"? Supposedly the P-90 and Five-seveN were adopted in 2003; here is another proof thread: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6447

Towards the middle of the thread: I have read in a gun magazine that the US Secret Service has acquired the FN Five-SeveN pistol and the FN P90 Tactical recently...




Believe everything you read if you want. My info is current as of yesterday, from the horses mouth. My info comes from real people, not internet threads or magazines.
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