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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:49:48 AM EDT
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They are good guns, just not the most ergonomic. They could use about 8-10 inches lopped off to make them balance better. That is why the besses have always been more popular outside of reenactment goups that require a french styled gun
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Posted: 11/1/2014 1:20:43 PM EDT
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Thats not a Pedersoli........
Make sure your frizzen is properly hardened....otherwise it'll get chewed up and never throw a good spark..... |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:34:16 PM EDT
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Thats not a Pedersoli........ Make sure your frizzen is properly hardened....otherwise it'll get chewed up and never throw a good spark..... You are quite correct, that is an India made gun..... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:11:54 AM EDT
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Neither the 1777 charleville nor the East india (3rd pattern) brown bess are correct for the american revolution. The 1777 may have saw a bit of service with the french Canadians, but it was never sold to the US. Both are more appropriate for the Napoleonic wars or in the brown bess's case the war of 1812
Any Charleville between 1763-68 or a 2nd pattern brown bess would be period correct for the US revolution. Ironically i own both guns im telling you not to get. 
I got both from veteran arms They are both made in india, but they've gone bang every time (assuming i do my part and keep the flint sharp) I cant compare them to more expensive italian guns as far as fit and finish, to tell you which one is nicer, but i didnt want to spend $1300 as a newb to black powder and flintlocks. The biggest problem ive found with both my guns is that the ramrods will get stuck in the stock if its raining, or when i clean them out with water at the end of the day. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 6:39:54 PM EDT
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Ok, it came in today. I unboxed it, did a quick inspection and function check, degreased it, then did a final inspection and function check.
My initial impressions: It is much lighter than I expected(as compared to my ArmiSport '53 Enfield) but is lacking in the fit and finish department. the trigger sits almost all the way forward inside the trigger guard(but I think that can be adjusted), the front lock plate crossbolt is notched in the center to clear the ramrod(WTF is this?), the bayonet will require moderate fitting to fit to my liking, and the stock is a bit too short for me but should fit my wife well. Also, I noticed that the hammer doesn't exactly line up with the frizzen. I plan on sending the lock to a smith for frizzen hardening and a general smoothing out. Can anyone suggest a Flintlock Gunsmith to handle some of these issues for me? The flash hole hasn't been drilled yet either, where exactly does it need to go? I know it needs to be 1/8" and at the bottom of the pan, but should it be centered in the pan or slightly forward of center? Sorry, no pictures yet. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 1:31:37 AM EDT
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Here you go: http://flintlockrepair.com/
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Posted: 11/6/2014 11:46:54 AM EDT
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A few quick cell pics:
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:27:27 PM EDT
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ouststanding...
post video's of you shooting it. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 12:45:28 PM EDT
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Flash hole should be .060 to .070 and centered just below the bottom of the frizzen when it's closed over the flash pan.
Enough to create a seal with the frizzen closed. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 2:04:04 PM EDT
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Flash hole should be .060 to .070 and centered just below the bottom of the frizzen when it's closed over the flash pan. Enough to create a seal with the frizzen closed. Thanks for sharing. The manufacturer suggested a 1/16" hole in the center of the pan below the "rim". I went with that and test fired with 4 blank 90g FF charges(reenactor loads). Holy shit this is fun. Can't wait to try some live loads! What I learned today: Flintlocks don't like 18kt winds gusting to 25. I also have a new respect for the hardasses who carried these things into battle. 
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Posted: 11/6/2014 3:04:41 PM EDT
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Thanks for sharing. The manufacturer suggested a 1/16" hole in the center of the pan below the "rim". I went with that and test fired with 4 blank 90g FF charges(reenactor loads). Holy shit this is fun. Can't wait to try some live loads! What I learned today: Flintlocks don't like 18kt winds gusting to 25. I also have a new respect for the hardasses who carried these things into battle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Flash hole should be .060 to .070 and centered just below the bottom of the frizzen when it's closed over the flash pan. Enough to create a seal with the frizzen closed. Thanks for sharing. The manufacturer suggested a 1/16" hole in the center of the pan below the "rim". I went with that and test fired with 4 blank 90g FF charges(reenactor loads). Holy shit this is fun. Can't wait to try some live loads! What I learned today: Flintlocks don't like 18kt winds gusting to 25. I also have a new respect for the hardasses who carried these things into battle. They are fun. And yes 1/16" would be good to start. 1/16"=.062 Enjoy,post more pics! |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 4:18:44 PM EDT
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Now with wife vid:
Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. 
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Posted: 11/6/2014 4:57:31 PM EDT
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it.  http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCIVideo is sideways potato-fucked. Now my head is ouch. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 5:25:39 PM EDT
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCISeemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 5:30:47 PM EDT
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Seemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCISeemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. I've been thinking about that. How much do you need in the pan? I put a little extra in that one to see what it would do(that's another reason she has my glasses on). |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 6:00:30 PM EDT
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I've been thinking about that. How much do you need in the pan? I put a little extra in that one to see what it would do(that's another reason she has my glasses on). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCISeemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. I've been thinking about that. How much do you need in the pan? I put a little extra in that one to see what it would do(that's another reason she has my glasses on). I'm not sure exactly what the measure is, as I just load from paper cartridges. But I tend to fill it up evenly about half to 2/3 of the pan. The important thing though is to not bury the touch hole. If the flames can flow right in and not have to burn their way through main charge ignition will happen much quicker. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 6:11:07 PM EDT
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I'm not sure exactly what the measure is, as I just load from paper cartridges. But I tend to fill it up evenly about half to 2/3 of the pan. The important thing though is to not bury the touch hole. If the flames can flow right in and not have to burn their way through main charge ignition will happen much quicker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCISeemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. I've been thinking about that. How much do you need in the pan? I put a little extra in that one to see what it would do(that's another reason she has my glasses on). I'm not sure exactly what the measure is, as I just load from paper cartridges. But I tend to fill it up evenly about half to 2/3 of the pan. The important thing though is to not bury the touch hole. If the flames can flow right in and not have to burn their way through main charge ignition will happen much quicker. I'll try less powder next time. I had the flash hole buried in that shot. I'm not really sure about that powder either, I had some problems with it not wanting to ignite in my Enfield last month. |
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Posted: 11/6/2014 6:41:14 PM EDT
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They make a small, brass device that curves around the pan and both protects someone shooting next t you from flying sparks from your pan, and shields the pan a bit from the wind. Required by a lot of re-enacting sanctioning organizations. Not a bad thing to have. Can be seen in the pic of stacked muskets below.
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Posted: 11/6/2014 8:59:37 PM EDT
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I'll try less powder next time. I had the flash hole buried in that shot. I'm not really sure about that powder either, I had some problems with it not wanting to ignite in my Enfield last month. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCISeemed like a bit of a slow burn. If it's not the powder itself try putting less powder in the pan. I've been thinking about that. How much do you need in the pan? I put a little extra in that one to see what it would do(that's another reason she has my glasses on). I'm not sure exactly what the measure is, as I just load from paper cartridges. But I tend to fill it up evenly about half to 2/3 of the pan. The important thing though is to not bury the touch hole. If the flames can flow right in and not have to burn their way through main charge ignition will happen much quicker. I'll try less powder next time. I had the flash hole buried in that shot. I'm not really sure about that powder either, I had some problems with it not wanting to ignite in my Enfield last month. are you using genuine 2F black powder or a 2F black powder substitute? |
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Posted: 11/7/2014 12:15:46 AM EDT
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Triple 7 2F
I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. |
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Posted: 11/7/2014 2:47:27 AM EDT
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Triple 7 2F I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. |
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Posted: 11/7/2014 7:02:15 PM EDT
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I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Triple 7 2F I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. Yup......I'd recommend Swiss 2F behind the ball, and 4F in the pan.....As much as I love 777 (in BP cartridge guns), the real deal is much more entertaining......It's the flintlock musket experience you're looking for.......
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Posted: 11/8/2014 10:03:42 AM EDT
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Excellent video . I will be using some of those techniques
My 1816 Springfield along with a Harpers Ferry and the Charleville 
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Posted: 11/8/2014 8:31:22 PM EDT
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Yup......I'd recommend Swiss 2F behind the ball, and 4F in the pan.....As much as I love 777 (in BP cartridge guns), the real deal is much more entertaining......It's the flintlock musket experience you're looking for....... http://youtu.be/wYu03XUbAyYQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Triple 7 2F I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. Yup......I'd recommend Swiss 2F behind the ball, and 4F in the pan.....As much as I love 777 (in BP cartridge guns), the real deal is much more entertaining......It's the flintlock musket experience you're looking for....... http://youtu.be/wYu03XUbAyYMike B (guy in the vid) is awesome. Check out his other vids. He is a hell of a shot, too! |
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Posted: 11/8/2014 9:36:05 PM EDT
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Mike B (guy in the vid) is awesome. Check out his other vids. He is a hell of a shot, too! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Triple 7 2F I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. Yup......I'd recommend Swiss 2F behind the ball, and 4F in the pan.....As much as I love 777 (in BP cartridge guns), the real deal is much more entertaining......It's the flintlock musket experience you're looking for....... http://youtu.be/wYu03XUbAyYMike B (guy in the vid) is awesome. Check out his other vids. He is a hell of a shot, too! Subscribed to Duelist1954 long ago......some of the best BP and frontier firearms vids on youtube..... |
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Posted: 11/8/2014 10:22:04 PM EDT
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Triple 7 2F I'm kinda limited in my choices because that's all anyone stocks around here. I want to try some quality powder. I had that same problem, try asking on your hometown forum for anyone that does or may carry actual BP. Narrow down some choices and just give them a call. If you can't find some locally, you can order online, although it comes with a steep hazard charge. If you end up having to go that route, I suggest ordering in bulk. At least 4 or 5 containers just to make it worth while. It does go pretty quick with charges of 90gr plus the powder to prime. Between my Charleville at 90 and brown Brown Bess at 100gr I've gotten about 75 shots per container. The substitute might work alright in cap guns because it's just a more positive ignition. The cap is directed and contained straight to the charge. Not so much with flintlocks. BP substitute is not as sensitive or explosive as regular BP, (thats why places stock substitue and leave it out in the open, real BP requires special storage) so it's harder for the Sparks off the frizzen to get positive ignition. Yup......I'd recommend Swiss 2F behind the ball, and 4F in the pan.....As much as I love 777 (in BP cartridge guns), the real deal is much more entertaining......It's the flintlock musket experience you're looking for....... http://youtu.be/wYu03XUbAyYMike B (guy in the vid) is awesome. Check out his other vids. He is a hell of a shot, too! Subscribed to Duelist1954 long ago......some of the best BP and frontier firearms vids on youtube..... I wish I could be that accurate with either of my muskets. My first shot as a noob I shot one handed cuz I was afraid it would blow up.
My second shot was at a standard notebook size peice of paper six feet away (seriously it was in bayonet poking range) and I missed. My offhand is seriously crappy with muskets. Although Supported I can reliably hit a man sized target at 50 yards. |
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Posted: 11/8/2014 11:50:45 PM EDT
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I can hit just fine with my percussion Enfield ( ArmiSport 1853) but have never live fired a flintlock offhand. I'm not afraid of it but am conscious of the ignition delay in flint. I think my powder sucks and am searching for a local source of real BP.
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Posted: 11/9/2014 8:27:50 AM EDT
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I wish I could be that accurate with either of my muskets. My first shot as a noob I shot one handed cuz I was afraid it would blow up.
My second shot was at a standard notebook size peice of paper six feet away (seriously it was in bayonet poking range) and I missed. My offhand is seriously crappy with muskets. Although Supported I can reliably hit a man sized target at 50 yards. An average day of shooting my 54 cal flintlongrifle 
Probably my best shooting ever 
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Posted: 11/9/2014 10:25:34 PM EDT
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I have found that just about all of my BP rifles, Caplock and Inline are phenomenally accurate. you just have to tweak them and find " their load".
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Posted: 11/10/2014 7:49:25 AM EDT
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I have found that just about all of my BP rifles, Caplock and Inline are phenomenally accurate. you just have to tweak them and find " their load". Rifles yes, this thread is about smoothbore muskets though. |
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Posted: 11/29/2014 3:27:27 PM EDT
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Now with wife vid: Sorry about the rotation, don't know how to fix it. http://youtu.be/BE7xbw5sKCIMis-fire, Loved the look of disappointment. Second shot, did she think the 'flash in the pan' was the shot? Then, 'BOOM!" Priceless. |
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