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Posted: 8/4/2003 6:42:07 PM EDT
I know that most of you will probably have awful opinions of the Mini-14, but I'd still like to hear what you think of them. I think that they are a good carbine for plinking and I also think that they are very dependable.
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get ready for some flames.
Personally, i like my Mini-14GB. I must be the only one. Everyone else on this boad will flame the mini-14 to no end. |
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I politely suggest you do a search. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum.
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There weren't any topics like this one within the past 30 days, so please post your opinions, if you would.
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OK, sorry. I forgot you can't do a search if you aren't a paying member. Here's a few...
Sold my AR-15 for a Ruger Mini-14 (100 posts) www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=166744&w=searchPop sar3 or mini-14? (16 posts) www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=169383&w=searchPop How accurate can you get a Mini-14? (11 posts) www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=185901&w=searchPop Mini-14 problems (15 posts) www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=168038&w=searchPop |
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I've bought a like new stainless mini-14 and got the original mag and 2 after market 20 round mags. The rifle and the org. 5 round mag are fine. Rifle operates fine. The 20 rd. mags suck. The way you have to tilt the mag to insert it in to the mag well is cumbersome at best. I have other rifles that are not AR-15's.
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The Mini-14: EXCELLENT action and a $9 barrel. (Can be made into a very accurate weapon but you're gonna have to spend money starting with replacing the POS barrel.)
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never had any problems with my stainless 184 series. I don't clean it much just swab the bore. once in a while I spray carb cleaner on the bolt and trigger group, let it dry and slop a little STP on the bolt ways trigger group and oprod. It's been very dependable considering how I treat it and the amount off use it's seen over the years.
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I owned one years ago and got rid of it. They are okay.They aren't tackdrivers but great plinkers and they go bang every time you pull the trigger. The only problem is now good pre ban magazines (like PMI's) are $$$$$$. A co worker bought one and needed magazines... so far he has one 30rd PMI @ $50.00... hey at least it works....unlike those $10-$15 aftermarket magazines.
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YEA, the Mini got the short end of the stick on the hi cap ban.
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Numrich sells new PMI magazines for $31 each. |
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I bought my Mini-14 for $298.00 NIB from B&E Guns in Cypress in 1998.
It is totally reliable with M193 Spec ammo and good magazines. Good magazines are PMI, Thermold, and Ruger. Thermold being my first choice. Mine will hit a 12" gong at 200 yards 60 of 60 tries, firing one round per second. Others say their guns shoot worse as it heats up. Mine apparently doesnt have as much problem with that as most. It's easy to mount a tac light on a Mini-14. I'm using a Surefire UTL with a M14 Brl Mount on mine. Even with a Surefire light and a 30 round Thermold magazine inserted, the Mini-14 looks less threatening than an AR of any type. Some will complain that good mags are expensive. I disagree. I paid anywhere from $15.00 to $25.00 each for my PMI & Thermold mags. You have to shop around, just like with AR mags. Pawn shops and small gun shops have given me the best results. BTW; a Ruger Ranch Rifle is NOT a Mini-14. Neither is a Mini-30. I am very happy with my Mini-14, but hated my Ranch Rifle. |
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I own a 196-series Rancher that is a joy to shoot. Blued with a wood stock, and a half dozen John Masen Co 30 round mags. Very reliable action, no jams or FTE's in over 500 rounds, although it dents casings off of the charging handle after extraction (due to fast or excessive recoil?). It is around 4-5" groups at 100 yards with M193 Olympic NPA-01 .223 (among the crappiest .223 ammo). No problems with the mags, iron sights, and near future plans include a Choate stock, forward scout-style scope mount and an aimpoint-style optic or low power scope.
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What was wrong with your Ranch Rifle AR15fan? Seems like the recoil buffer, ring mounts, and free rings would be a good thing. Is there something I don't know about the Ranch Rifle? |
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I had Mini-14's long before I started playing with AR15's.
The Mini-14 is very reliable with PMI mags. In fact, they run 100% with these mags. It does not matter if they are 20, 30, or 40 rnd mags, they all run well. The worst features, as far as accuracy, are the thin barrel and loose wood stock. A heavier barrel is very expensive, and I just don't know why Ruger will not use a better barrel, or at least offer it as an option. The loose wood stock is an easy fix... the Choate Zytel stocks work wonders, and will cut your group size in half. With scope and Choate stock (I prefer the Choate pistol grip model), you can get under 2" at 100 yds easily. The Mini-14 can function reliably much longer than an AR15 without cleaning, and little lubrication. The stainless is ideal as a "trunk gun" or behind the seat of the pickup. For what it is intended, a very lightweight carbine, it is excellent. For nocturnal social work around the house, again, excellent and reliable. Yes, I also recommend M193 from UMC, Federal, or Winchester. Works well with SA battle pack, too. |
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I have a Mini-14 ranch. I the only problem I find annoying is the rear sight. You have to fold down the rear sight in order to mount your optic with the Ruger supplied rings. If you forget to fold them down, and you aren't using optics, they break. I've switched to a Williams Sight that is specifically made for the Mini-14 Ranch.
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Some good Mini talk here, perfectunion.com/forums/
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The rear sight is fragile, the disassembly is more complex than the Mini-14, due to the different ejector parts. The stronger, anngle ejection really tears up the brass. A scoped Ranche Rifle doesnt have the sleek light weight fast handling characrteristics of a Mini-14. |
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I would not rush out and buy a Mini-14. There are better first choices in that caliber.
However, if you already own one, or get one at a good price, the perfectunion BB linked above will show you that some easy, inexpensive mods will transform your Mini into a reasonably accurate, highly reliable rifle. While good mags are a little pricey, they can be had. And accessories, both good and bad, abound. In sum, a mid-level modded Mini, with original barrel can be a 1.5-2.5 MOA rifle. A great many Minis, like M1 Carbines, have had their muzzles ruined by improper cleaning technique. Most often, a re-crowning of the barrel ($40) will make a huge difference in accuracy by itself. IMHO, a well-set up Mini, with a supply of good mags really gives up nothing to an AR with the same length barrel. YMMV. |
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What other rifles in that caliber do you suggest? I might be buying a rifle soon, and I am considering a Mini-14 (not for competition or anything, usually just plinking). Any suggestions?
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Ive owned two over the years and sold both of them off.
They were both utterly reliable with FACTORY hi-caps. I prefer the AR15 system though, because its more adaptable to optics. Personally, Ive always felt that the Mini-14 with 20 round mags was an ideal general issue long arm for police officers (most of whom dont care about guns in the least - let alone learning them). Simple to operate. No high sight over bore axis to have to compensate for on head shots and no having to remember to clear the muzzle when behind barricade (having seen a Crown Vic with its hood creased with a .223). |
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I suggest you look into the Armalite AR180B rifle. |
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Very nice rifle there Dandy. I have to ask though, why change the caliber?
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Hm. Where didja get that laminate stock? |
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Thank you. At the time I wanted something a little different than what everyone else was using. Something with all of the positives of the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO, but none of the negatives. The 6x45mm (AKA 6mm/.223) has all of that. It can drive an 85 grain bullet at 2800 FPS and is just as straight forward to load as the parent .223 case.
Mike Turner of Turner Customs made it up for me a few years back. I have a second in coffee birch if you're interested. |
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Mini-14's are pretty cheap, used at the shows.
I bought two Ranch rifles in stainless, and they will bounce a pop can around reliably at 100 yards. They always feed and fire using milsurp or commercial ammo. I bought a poorly sized bunch of gunshow reloads that my AR-15 and Valmet choked on, but the Mini-14 gobbled it up. The factory mags are the best. It's a reliable rifle, will not draw a crowd of curiosity seekers, and the pre-bans are not any more expensive than a new one. Buy a pre-ban with the folding stock and flash suppressor if you can. |
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My first center fire rifle was a Mini-14. I found that I wasn't very accurate with it at all. I figured it was me ... that was until I bought my first (of many ) AR's.
For the first 18 months here in California I wasn't permitted to bring my AR's into the state. I broke out my Mini and shot it for the first time in several years and discovered that I was right - I couldn't - rather the rifle could hit shit. I was use to being able to hit an 8" paper plate on the first shot from 100 yards out to a pretty good distance. I was lucky to hit the plate at 100 yards. Now that some of my AR's are here ... the Mini-14 is buried in the back of the safe where it belongs. |
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I love my mini-14 with a scope and looking to purchase another to use without a scope.
Great plinking gun and very reliable. |
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I have a black synthetic 196 series Ranch model. My only complaints on it is that it is difficult to make precise adjustments to the cheap flip up rear sights so either some type of after-market sights made for the Mini-14 or a decent scope or red dot, which I have on now, would be a benefit to the rifle. The rifle also ejects its empty brass casings at enormous distance and anyone standing or sitting within 25 yards on the right of you is going to get popped with hot brass.
Otherwise it's a decent rifle. Not a very accurate rifle to what you would expect in AR15 standards, but it is still a decent inexpensive "all-purpose" semi-auto. I've added a pistol grip stock to mine and I enjoy it more with the feel of the pistol grip than I did with the conventional stock. ArmaLiter |
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It throws brass 25 to 30 feet, but not anywhere near 25 yards. (I assume that you meant feet, but you never know....)
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Yeah, I did exaggerate a bit . 25-30ft is more what I was thinking of, but that still is enough to have to keep a distance away from other shooters at the range or force them to stay away from you. ArmaLiter |
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Get a spare (or two) ejector springs from Ruger or Numrich, and remove a coil or two.
The bolt takes down much like an M1/M1A bolt, and the GI takedown tool can be used. You'll need a spacer to make up for the size difference; one of the sockets in a 1/4" drive socket set should do. Be a good opportunity to give the bolt a good cleaning as well. |
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Will the rifle be worse the wear if left alone raf? I don't reload or mind denting brass. If Ruger were to ever produce a parkerized mini, with a chromed HBAR, and better iron sights, it could surpass AR sales. JMHO
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If I understand your question correctly, one can clean the bolt adequately by flooding it periodically with carb cleaner, lightly lubing the firing pin, ejector, and extractor. Lugs take grease. All one needs do is obtain a stainless mini (Ruger now sells one in a synthetic stock), bead-blast it, and spray with Brownell's Dark Park color Aluma-Hyde II paint. Or you could park a blued version. There are lots of versions of good, improved sights for the Mini, from AO's ghost ring to Willian's adjustable target rear sight. Just make sure the rifle fits tight in the synthetic stock (bed if you have to). Attaching a John Masen (Mfr) Black Warrior muzzle brake (about $30) reportedly cuts groups almost in half. To correct most of the problems of the thin barrel, such as stringing when hot, have the stripped barreled action cryo-treated for about $70. One other thing. A lot of Minis have poor accuracy because somebody, somewhere screwed up the muzzle, usually by using an uncoated cleaning rod, no rod guide, and poor cleaning technique. If my Mini inexplicably tossed shots every which way, one of the first things I'd check would be the muzzle crown. Same goes for rifles that must be similarly cleaned, such as the Garand, M1A, and M1 Carbine, to name just a few. A $40 recrowning by a gunsmith might just breathe new accuracy into your Mini. As far as denting brass, well... Maybe YOU don't reload, but you might in the future. That wasted brass represents about 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of the round. Shame to mash it when all's that's needed is trimming a little spring. Besides if you never intend to reload (don't fathom that, but TEHO), one of your buddies who DOES reload would probably be delighted to recieve a gift of once-fired reloadable brass. YMMV. |
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my brother loves his mini, while it's not as accurate as my AR, it runs like a horse, not 1 prob. from it yet
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Pro: Adequately accurate out to 200 yards, gulps down crap ammo that would give an AR fits.
Con: Most aftermarket mags are junk. |
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