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In both cases yes. But one is a illegal and the other is not.
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What is funny is BATFE banned solvent traps in the 80s when they drained into a soft drink container, but when it drains into a oil filter, it is OK.
The problem is that you have assembled working suppressor and attached it to a firearm.
In both cases yes. But one is a illegal and the other is not.
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The fact is that possession of a thread adapter, oil filter and threaded firearm is possesion of an unregistered silencer. Assembling these components into a firearm constitutes the making of a working silencer. The problem is that once you assemble a threaded adapter onto a rifle and thread on an oil filter or a pop bottle, you have assembled an unregistered sIlencer.
That is simple fact. If it is seized and sent to the ATFs tech branch. Tech branch will test it. In Fact . . They will test the device in every possible way until it actually reduces the report of the firearm. They will determine that the adapter snd oil filter/pop bottle is in fact a silencer.
That determination will be reported to the atf agent who will then decide whether to refer it to an AUSA or if it's local law enforcevent . . To the County district attorney. Then, that agent and the prosecuutor will look at the facts surrounding the seizure of THE SILENCER. The fact is, you have manufactured a silencer. You have manufactured and were in possession of a device that reduces the report of a firearm.
Now the agent/police officer look into intent. . . . . Maybe. If they look into intent before filing the charge. You might get away without a criminal charge. Assuming that you had a pop bottle on the end of the weapon. Here is a nuance that ronnie and I discussed and he noted. Pop bottlE . . . Used to see if the Solvent is clean. Therefore clear bottle lets the builder of the silencer see that barrel is clean. Probably going to be hard to prove intent to possess a silencer.
However. How do you see if the solvent coming out of the barrel is clean with an oil filter? Or an opaque plastic bottle? Well there is a problem and intent can be inferred. So, at this point if the age t/leo LEO pushes the charges up to the prosecutor . . And the prosecutor takes them, you get charged, arrested, have to make bail, and hire me or another attorney.
After you pay your defense attorney several thousand dollars, I go down and argue intent. I show the prosecutor pictures of your cleaning bench and your collection of oil filters and cleaning rods. Etc. Maybe the prosecutor dismisses . .maybe he Doesn't. If the charge is not dismissed. We have a Trial. ATF Sends Tech branch and the agent from tech branch testifies it is a silencer. The prosecutor tells the jury its a silencer. You probably have to get on the stand and testify that it's a cleaning tool and not a silencer. And that you didn't intend it to be a silencer. . . Etc.
Those documents people love to screen shot . . . . They probably don't get to the jury at all. There's this little thing called then hearsay rule. Atf is famous for not responding to subpoenas and the fact is that silly letter that you screenshoted only applies to that seller. Not to you so it probably never gets in front of a jury. Therefore, I still say that it's illegal to posses the oil filter and thread adapter and put it on a firearm. that is making a working, unregistered silencer. Practically speaking. You will probably never be prosecuted for that possession or making . . . . But the law, as stated by congress and implemented BY THE ATF says that making a silencer and possessing a silencer is illegal and possession of these parts and installation of these parts is possession of a silencer and that silencer is unregistered and therefore illegal.