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Link Posted: 5/19/2012 7:28:51 PM EST
It makes the FS2000 feel thin, trim, and lithe.   It is like they designed a gun solely for the purpose of being used in movies.
Link Posted: 5/19/2012 7:59:00 PM EST



Originally Posted By yekimak:

It is like they designed a gun solely for the purpose of being used in movies.


Thought that was the g-36 and ump

 
Link Posted: 5/20/2012 12:42:54 AM EST
here's mine



Ruger 10/22 inside a Beretta ARX-160



$23 plastic gutted airsoft stock



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S1mF2Sgq-A


















Link Posted: 5/20/2012 11:23:14 PM EST
I messed with the .22 version they had at the NRA convention this year and was quite impressed by everything except for the sights. Holy moley were those babies high up there. I couldn't get a decent check weld at all due to how high they were above the axis of the stock. I wouldn't buy one for that reason alone.



If I had to get anything other than an AR from what they had at the convention, I would get a Tavor for .223 and the SCAR 17 was tops in .308 for my money.
Link Posted: 5/22/2012 12:59:43 PM EST
It's still uglier than sin.
I want mine in 7.62X39.  


 
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 9:11:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 9:14:27 AM EST by 556Cliff]
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 1:40:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
I messed with the .22 version they had at the NRA convention this year and was quite impressed by everything except for the sights. Holy moley were those babies high up there. I couldn't get a decent check weld at all due to how high they were above the axis of the stock. I wouldn't buy one for that reason alone.

If I had to get anything other than an AR from what they had at the convention, I would get a Tavor for .223 and the SCAR 17 was tops in .308 for my money.


I believe the final civilian production 5.56 will have just rails for attachment of aftermarket sights.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 12:09:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Link.

Link.

Cool.
Beretta is definitely improving it before full release. The one shown on M4C net has quite a few changes.

Link Posted: 6/22/2012 7:24:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Originally Posted By 556Cliff:
Link.

Link.

Cool.
Beretta is definitely improving it before full release. The one shown on M4C net has quite a few changes.



Yea it does. One can only hope our military chooses it for the next infantry rifle.

Now where can i reserve my number 0001 serial number?
Link Posted: 6/22/2012 8:04:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By OGLEE:


Now where can i reserve my number 0001 serial number?

The Executive suite of Beretta USA.

Link Posted: 6/22/2012 10:28:54 AM EST
Any idea if they will have a rifle length handguard version or conversion. People with long arms need some love too
Link Posted: 6/22/2012 2:15:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By BisonWorld:
Any idea if they will have a rifle length handguard version or conversion. People with long arms need some love too

Don't actually expect a large manufacturer to be up with the times do you.  Even the SCAR, "designed for operators" doesn't get that right.
Link Posted: 6/22/2012 9:21:06 PM EST

My understanding is the .22lr version can be imported, however, in other calibers it would have to be built in the US.  Is that right?
Link Posted: 6/22/2012 9:32:14 PM EST
Kind of. They can either build it here with fewer than 10 foreign parts (importing some parts from Italy might save some money, at least initialy) OR they can build them in Italy in a sporting configuration, then import them and Beretta USA can add the evil features with enough US parts to be compliant (like FN does with their SCAR).
Link Posted: 6/22/2012 11:57:17 PM EST
sexiest gun ever - IMO

Some badass features - quick-change barel and cocking/ejection switch are awesome.

Will buy.  Fuck yeah.
Link Posted: 7/28/2012 7:17:41 PM EST
Any news over the last month? Do Want.

JCS
Link Posted: 7/29/2012 3:25:33 AM EST
I'd give up the quick change barrel for sub MOA accuracy as well as a slimmer fore-end... but that's just me.
Link Posted: 8/29/2012 9:53:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By jcshunter:
Any news over the last month? Do Want.

JCS


+1
Link Posted: 8/29/2012 5:59:18 PM EST
I dig it just wish it came with a gas setting for suppression rather than having to buy a whole other barrel for suppression fire. I hope that they back it with different length barrels or the whole quick change will be kind of pointless.
Link Posted: 8/30/2012 10:56:20 AM EST
Is there anything Beretta can do to make that not look like a bloated whale?
Link Posted: 8/30/2012 12:59:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By OGLEE:


Yea it does. One can only hope our military chooses it for the next infantry rifle.


why?  This thing does nothing better than an M4/m16.

Link Posted: 8/30/2012 2:18:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By OGLEE:


Yea it does. One can only hope our military chooses it for the next infantry rifle.


why?  This thing does nothing better than an M4/m16.



Firearms using powder, primer, projectile and shell have hit their evolutionary zenith. Very little has changed in the last 50 years other than small technical details. So saying that any rifle is really better than the other is almost rediculous. The only real choices are down to what a particular government entity sees as important and cost effective, usually what is cost effective wins out. I do not see the US military changing to any other rifle on a large scale in the near future. They will always run trial and tests to see what the latest technology and advancements have to offer. But, they will not get approval from Congress to fund a completely new rifle any time soon.
Link Posted: 8/30/2012 4:15:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2012 4:22:25 PM EST by JonJR]
All hype as usual. Just like the FS2000, PS90, ACR..... I held off buying them and kept with the M4/AR (DI/GP). I'll wait to see what others find wrong with it or if they make newer generations because of some flaw that needs to be fixed. However, if MSRP is 1500 or less I may buy it sooner than later but will still wait for others to spend the money.  If its more I'll sit back and play with others while waiting to hear the range reports. Most likely a quality AR will still be best.

seems bulky and the more moving small parts make me think it will fail over time....I'll stick with a quality M4

Link Posted: 8/30/2012 6:34:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By lew:
Is there anything Beretta can do to make that not look like a bloated whale?

#1, who cares what it looks like as long as it is ergonomic and shoots.

#2, once you see it in person and handle it, its not a problem.  Its hardly larger than an M4, just with rounded corners. Promotional photos with 10" barrels don't give you a good sense of overall rifle proportions.  It's really quite a nice handling rifle.
Link Posted: 8/31/2012 7:39:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By lew:
Is there anything Beretta can do to make that not look like a bloated whale?

#1, who cares what it looks like as long as it is ergonomic and shoots.

#2, once you see it in person and handle it, its not a problem.  Its hardly larger than an M4, just with rounded corners. Promotional photos with 10" barrels don't give you a good sense of overall rifle proportions.  It's really quite a nice handling rifle.


#1) Looking good is a nice option, but it looks like the proportions are way off, ergo not ergonomic, which leads me to: #2) I've never held one, so the pictures do not give a good appreciation of the dimensions and how well it feels. I'll take your word for it.

While I am delighted at all the options we civilian customers are getting, I can't see an appreciable gain over an XCR, SCAR, etc...
Link Posted: 8/31/2012 12:23:32 PM EST
Originally Posted By lew:
While I am delighted at all the options we civilian customers are getting, I can't see an appreciable gain over an XCR, SCAR, etc...


All things being equal, I'd much rather get my customer service from BUSA than Alex Robinson.

SCAR loses on price, again, all things being equal.

Link Posted: 8/31/2012 1:18:25 PM EST
Looks like a tan guncase with an m4 inside to me.
Link Posted: 9/5/2012 12:15:34 PM EST
Looks like Beretta is coming out with a 7.62x51 version.  

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/09/05/exclusive-beretta-arx-200-7-62x51mm-7-62x39mm/
Link Posted: 9/5/2012 3:31:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By poorman:.

Um nthey're not going to fund it because it does NOTHING better then the m4

Link Posted: 9/5/2012 3:40:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By poorman:.

Um nthey're not going to fund it because it does NOTHING better then the m4



That is basically what I said
Link Posted: 9/5/2012 3:46:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By poorman:.

Um nthey're not going to fund it because it does NOTHING better then the m4



That is basically what I said


So then you said the same thing i said intially

Its ok we both went full retard
Link Posted: 9/5/2012 5:31:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By poorman:.

Um nthey're not going to fund it because it does NOTHING better then the m4



That is basically what I said


So then you said the same thing i said intially

Its ok we both went full retard


I just used an entire paragraph to say it

Link Posted: 9/5/2012 5:38:27 PM EST



Originally Posted By Thrasymachus:


Looks like Beretta is coming out with a 7.62x51 version.  



http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/09/05/exclusive-beretta-arx-200-7-62x51mm-7-62x39mm/


Now that has my attention



 
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 6:14:26 AM EST
garbage
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 6:21:29 AM EST
Junk
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 6:42:27 AM EST
Garbage, Junk... why?
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 7:36:56 AM EST
too much to get into...just... ehhhh.....  

information will be availible in November
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 10:10:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
too much to get into...just... ehhhh.....  

information will be availible in November


You got the beans?! Spill em!
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 12:13:12 PM EST
information will be availible hopefully in Novemeber.
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 12:20:15 PM EST
Its November somewhere
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 8:32:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
information will be availible hopefully in Novemeber.


Just in time for election panic buying from unscrupulous dealers for $4-5k?......
Link Posted: 9/7/2012 8:44:06 PM EST
end of fiscal year
Link Posted: 9/8/2012 2:31:14 PM EST
So when are we actually going to see these things released state side? they have been saying "soon" for the last 2-3 years now.
 
Link Posted: 9/8/2012 7:38:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gelgoog:
So when are we actually going to see these things released state side? they have been saying "soon" for the last 2-3 years now.  


I guess when you'be been in business for almost 500 years... soon becomes a relative thing

Link Posted: 9/9/2012 7:37:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By poorman:.

Um nthey're not going to fund it because it does NOTHING better then the m4



Charging handle not being in a horrible orientation to the shooter is kind of huge. Probably way less lube, mag, cleaning  routine/ environment sensitive (like many guns these days). All huge advantages.
Link Posted: 9/9/2012 7:46:07 AM EST
less lube and enviromental sensitivites are a myth, less lube equils siezed pistons and heavy objects, as for enviromental, most piston guns still have not figured it out.

Link Posted: 9/9/2012 8:46:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2012 8:47:06 AM EST by Accomplice1]
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
less lube and enviromental sensitivites are a myth, less lube equils siezed pistons and heavy objects, as for enviromental, most piston guns still have not figured it out.



I've experienced it first hand. The DI guns just don't go as long without a FTF. Plus some mags that I had labeled as bad since they were poor performers in the AR platform were flawless in other platforms. The AR is light, has huge aftermarket support but is far from the best platform available these days. But then again, why should it be? It is a legacy platform developed decades ago.
Link Posted: 9/10/2012 2:29:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Accomplice1:
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
less lube and enviromental sensitivites are a myth, less lube equils siezed pistons and heavy objects, as for enviromental, most piston guns still have not figured it out.



I've experienced it first hand. The DI guns just don't go as long without a FTF. Plus some mags that I had labeled as bad since they were poor performers in the AR platform were flawless in other platforms. The AR is light, has huge aftermarket support but is far from the best platform available these days. But then again, why should it be? It is a legacy platform developed decades ago.


You do realize pistons are older than DI by a decent amount, right?  Further so long as you keep most decent quality ARs lubed then your GTG.
Link Posted: 9/10/2012 3:15:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By Accomplice1:
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
less lube and enviromental sensitivites are a myth, less lube equils siezed pistons and heavy objects, as for enviromental, most piston guns still have not figured it out.



I've experienced it first hand. The DI guns just don't go as long without a FTF. Plus some mags that I had labeled as bad since they were poor performers in the AR platform were flawless in other platforms. The AR is light, has huge aftermarket support but is far from the best platform available these days. But then again, why should it be? It is a legacy platform developed decades ago.


You do realize pistons are older than DI by a decent amount, right?  Further so long as you keep most decent quality ARs lubed then your GTG.


Link Posted: 9/11/2012 4:13:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/11/2012 4:16:03 AM EST by Accomplice1]
Originally Posted By GreaseMonkey_AP:
Originally Posted By Accomplice1:
Originally Posted By m4hk33:
less lube and enviromental sensitivites are a myth, less lube equils siezed pistons and heavy objects, as for enviromental, most piston guns still have not figured it out.



I've experienced it first hand. The DI guns just don't go as long without a FTF. Plus some mags that I had labeled as bad since they were poor performers in the AR platform were flawless in other platforms. The AR is light, has huge aftermarket support but is far from the best platform available these days. But then again, why should it be? It is a legacy platform developed decades ago.


You do realize pistons are older than DI by a decent amount, right?  Further so long as you keep most decent quality ARs lubed then your GTG.

You do realize the new platforms have been developed using pistons right?

Also, thereis that it's GTG 'so long as' disclaimer. There are now more reliable platforms that don't requirethe disclaimers.
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