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Posted: 11/26/2007 9:57:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 9:58:19 AM EDT by cyclone]
What would you suggest to someone who couldnt afford either, but wanted something besides an AR? I was asked this, but wanted some more opinions to offer a friend of mine
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 10:09:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 10:11:32 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 10:16:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 10:17:17 AM EDT by ChickenDaddy]
SIG 556, TPD AXR, MSAR STG 556, mini-14/30, kel tec 5.56 rifles.

You wanted to stick with 5.56, right?

EDIT: AK, 5.45 or 5.56.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 10:34:43 AM EDT
Why don't you at least wait until the products and actual pricing is available before declaring that they are too expensive... instead of relying on internet speculation/gossip/fear mongering about the price.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 10:40:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 10:41:07 AM EDT by cyclone]
I'm not the one speculating..........my friend has seen the projected prices and stated that if they are correct he cannot afford one...........my advice was to wait and see as well, but he thinks they might be out of his range


Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Why don't you at least wait until the products and actual pricing is available before declaring that they are too expensive... instead of relying on internet speculation/gossip/fear mongering about the price.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 12:34:17 PM EDT
Arsenal AK47 in 7.62x39mm

Or a decent AK in .223.

If he can't afford a SCAR or Masada, he can't afford anything above a grand.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 1:52:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 1:53:25 PM EDT by BillofRights]
Keltech SU-16 folder.

AK based .223 rifles.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 2:02:14 PM EDT
The original piston-driven 5.56 platform. Now available for around $800.

Link Posted: 11/26/2007 2:43:50 PM EDT
Robinson XCR
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 2:47:32 PM EDT
AR-180B, basically a poor mans AR-15 and you can find them for under 700 if you look around.

I love mine!



Link Posted: 11/26/2007 2:49:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 2:56:20 PM EDT by DemolitionDamon]
Our country's rifle isn't good enough for him, huh? Well, here's my suggestion, the STG-2000:

Link Posted: 11/26/2007 3:37:00 PM EDT
I would say either a saiga in .223 that you can do the pistol grip conversion on or on of the keltec folding rifles in .223.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 3:37:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 3:46:12 PM EDT by Achilles1]
If you've got an AR already and the others aren't what your looking to add on for price it should be a little cheaper to add on a piston upper depending on what you'd want.
Just like any other piston rifle I've used or own there really easy to maintain as the Scar and Masada should be.
My POF runs great on Tetra grease since it doesn't run the same as a DI which floods the receiver with carbon and heat.
The others seem like great choices, but you should save "some" money going the piston AR route if you've got an Ar already and you'll still have all those great AR options and parts at your disposal.

The POF's and LWRC's both use lots of standard AR parts and only a few are proprietary.
On my POF the ones that are like the BCG will last a long time and the gas cylinder is very robust and chromelined for long wear.
The op rod and piston you can buy spares of and anything else is standard.
Hell for a couple hundred bucks you can have a whole spare upper and lower stripped receiver too if you'd want.



POF
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 3:40:54 PM EDT
I really like my SIG556 - it's just awesome!
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 4:40:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ChickenDaddy:
SIG 556, TPD AXR, MSAR STG 556, mini-14/30, kel tec 5.56 rifles.

You wanted to stick with 5.56, right?

EDIT: AK, 5.45 or 5.56.



The AUG clones were over $2K last time I checked.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 4:49:11 PM EDT
XCR

AR with Piston Upper

Link Posted: 11/26/2007 5:12:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 5:18:53 PM EDT by cyclone]
No, he has an older AR-15 from a purchase in the past, he just wants another 5.56 rifle to go with it, but money is very tight for him........anything above a grand is beyond what he can afford

Thanks for the replies by the way ............how do you like that Galil Duke Nukem?


Originally Posted By DemolitionDamon:
Our country's rifle isn't good enough for him, huh? Well, here's my suggestion, the STG-2000:

www.atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/stg223logo.jpg
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 6:38:19 PM EDT
XCR FTW!











Link Posted: 11/26/2007 6:50:00 PM EDT
Kel-Tec Su-16CA. You can pick them up for around $500.
Link Posted: 11/26/2007 7:36:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2007 7:37:54 PM EDT by Observer]
I don't know exactly what your friends criteria are (other than under $1000) but the least expensive option would probably be a Saiga in .223 or .308 for around $300 or so.

He could also pick up an inexpensive AK variant for <$500 if he's looking for a plinker or blasting rifle. It's certainly different from an AR.

Off the shelf Saiga below.


Other Saiga


or
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 5:39:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 5:46:08 AM EDT by Achilles1]
Actually one of the best firearms for less than a grand that can be had is a PTR91 F 18 inch with fixed stock from CDNN for $899.00.
It's a bare bones PTR91 but still as close to a real HK91 as you can get new these days and the overall quality to any HK91 I've had experience with is just as good or better to me. He'll have great room to expand if he want by adding on rail forearms, optics and mounts, Smith Vortex's and a few nice stock options as he goes in time when his budget allows.

G3 mags are still cheap and he can have himself a great quality version of a battlerifle that is used by many countries still.

It's listed in the downloadable firearms catalog they have,
CDNNSPORTS.com

PTR91F from PTR91.com

RTG G3 parts and mags

Link Posted: 11/27/2007 6:20:56 AM EDT
Thanks for the replies.............I will pass this info on...........1k is his max, but for that I see alot of options that he could explore............of course my advice has been to wait and see what the prices are, and save if he has to.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 6:27:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 6:27:57 AM EDT by Achilles1]

Originally Posted By cyclone:
Thanks for the replies.............I will pass this info on...........1k is his max, but for that I see alot of options that he could explore............of course my advice has been to wait and see what the prices are, and save if he has to.


That's good advice and saving to get what you'd like best is always the best option in the long run.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 8:44:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 8:46:20 AM EDT by BB]
My guess is that you will be able to pick up a used Masada for under $1K when the B version (or the Metzada) comes out.
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 1:10:42 PM EDT
Mini 14
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 1:18:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyclone:
No, he has an older AR-15 from a purchase in the past, he just wants another 5.56 rifle to go with it, but money is very tight for him........anything above a grand is beyond what he can afford

Thanks for the replies by the way ............how do you like that Galil Duke Nukem?


Originally Posted By DemolitionDamon:
Our country's rifle isn't good enough for him, huh? Well, here's my suggestion, the STG-2000:

www.atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/stg223logo.jpg


Why not build another AR-15 in a different configuration thatn he already has. You could build one for well under a grand and have money left over for nice optics, Or wait around for a used Masada in 6 months. He would be happier in the long run with one of those options I think. Just my $.02
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 1:37:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 1:39:53 PM EDT by HardShell]
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 1:45:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2007 1:45:15 PM EDT by HardShell]
Link Posted: 11/27/2007 1:54:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
The original piston-driven 5.56 platform. Now available for around $800.

mywebsite.register.com/db4/00329/elitefirearms.net/_uimages/GalilAR.JPG



Yep Galil.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 12:54:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
The original piston-driven 5.56 platform.


The short piston action AR-18 series beat out the Galil by 9 years.
Link Posted: 12/5/2007 6:08:24 AM EDT
A Daewoo is a better choice than an $800 Galil for two reasons...

1. It takes AR mags...since you already have an AR this will save money.

2. It wasn't made by Century.
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