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Posted: 10/28/2013 1:24:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 1:32:39 PM EDT
What's the difference between an examiner and a specialist? Also, would it be possible to list what states each examiner has?

I think Shannon Siviero has SC. Right?

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:05:02 PM EDT
Thanks for the update! With that many examiners now, they should start churning out approvals in two weeks at the most.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:07:18 PM EDT
I also heard that they are not giving out "pending" dates anymore but a "recieved" date...
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:10:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 2:38:56 PM EDT
You mean I may see the forms I just filled out returned with stamps before 2015?

Thanks for the update!

Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:12:19 PM EDT
Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 3:59:30 PM EDT
Yeah... 15 months.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:10:41 PM EDT
I got one of the new examiners for one of my form4's right when it seems they started in late August, correct me if I'm wrong. I wonder if that means I'll be approved quicker?
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 5:03:21 PM EDT
Waaaaay overdue! Glad to see the additions and a little structure.

Thanks for the update!
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 5:13:13 PM EDT
So what is the total number of people that will be working on or approving forms?
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 5:14:12 PM EDT
Thats good to hear, I'm going to send a form 1 for my AR pistol tonight or tomorrow. Maybe I'll get the stamp back before 2015
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 5:44:58 PM EDT
This is excellent news!
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 5:56:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 4:56:25 AM EDT
Any insight on the trust issue and if there is a plan to push any pending apps back?
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:14:50 AM EDT
This is damn good news!
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 5:44:04 AM EDT
Yeah, this is GREAT news. Unfortunately when the CLEO sign-off requirement on trusts goes through, they'll get caught up real quick when the number of new stamp requests drops by 95% nationwide.



If you live in one of the rare places where a CLEO will sign, you're in business. If you're like the vast majority of America, you're about to see the NFA gravy train run out of track real soon.




Get your forms in now, because in less than a year the gun community will be looking back on the "NFA days" as the single biggest act of gun control to hit nationally since the AWB of 94.....except this NFA ruling will never expire nor will it be repealed.




Have your fun now fellas.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:57:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:09:16 AM EDT
Just called them about some form 4's that went pending april, they are running 15 months from the received date which was february. WTF!!!!
This isn't my first stamp, and i know sandy hook made people go an buy stuff like crazy but damn this is unreasonable!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:33:41 AM EDT
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Just called them about some form 4's that went pending april, they are running 15 months from the received date which was february. WTF!!!!
This isn't my first stamp, and i know sandy hook made people go an buy stuff like crazy but damn this is unreasonable!!
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I have one that I sent in feb.  And went pending on mar 21.   I called in august and was told I went to a second pending aug.9th and it should be 90 days from there. I called again in late sept. And was told 12 months from recieving the form.  I called back today and was told 15 months now. Nice 200 dollar service they got over there. My guess is that you will see it before christmas and that new applications are taking 15 months.
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I have one that I sent in feb.  And went pending on mar 21.   I called in august and was told I went to a second pending aug.9th and it should be 90 days from there. I called again in late sept. And was told 12 months from recieving the form.  I called back today and was told 15 months now. Nice 200 dollar service they got over there. My guess is that you will see it before christmas and that new applications are taking 15 months.
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Just called them about some form 4's that went pending april, they are running 15 months from the received date which was february. WTF!!!!
This isn't my first stamp, and i know sandy hook made people go an buy stuff like crazy but damn this is unreasonable!!

I have one that I sent in feb.  And went pending on mar 21.   I called in august and was told I went to a second pending aug.9th and it should be 90 days from there. I called again in late sept. And was told 12 months from recieving the form.  I called back today and was told 15 months now. Nice 200 dollar service they got over there. My guess is that you will see it before christmas and that new applications are taking 15 months.


I am sure the .gov shut down made everything worse....... sometimes i just want to punch lazy tree huggers....
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 3:32:13 PM EDT
Someone explain to me how a two week paid vacation for the NFA Branch causes a delay in processing forms of several additional months?

All of this simply does not add up...did they completely forget how to do their jobs in those 2 weeks and have to learn to read and write again?

If there are new examiners the times should be improving not getting worse...

I have a Form 4 pending from April that I was told pre-shutdown would be approved in Nov.  Now I am told April/May 2014...

I am a simple man so enlighten me...

Link Posted: 10/29/2013 4:01:42 PM EDT
If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 4:25:53 PM EDT
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You stamp is NOT 15 months away from received date, relax.

This is what EVERYONE is being told now and it applies to new stamp apps.  Your stamp didn't go from being 2 weeks away to being 7 months away.
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You stamp is NOT 15 months away from received date, relax.

This is what EVERYONE is being told now and it applies to new stamp apps.  Your stamp didn't go from being 2 weeks away to being 7 months away.
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Just called them about some form 4's that went pending april, they are running 15 months from the received date which was february. WTF!!!!
This isn't my first stamp, and i know sandy hook made people go an buy stuff like crazy but damn this is unreasonable!!

You stamp is NOT 15 months away from received date, relax.

This is what EVERYONE is being told now and it applies to new stamp apps.  Your stamp didn't go from being 2 weeks away to being 7 months away.


I believe this to be true also.  The standard answer is 15 months so people will stop calling.  It will take as long as it takes.  I'm guessing 9-12 months.  We'll see.
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 1:20:21 AM EDT
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.
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The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!
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The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.


The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!


Can you site where you are getting your information from, as far as trust taking longer to review than an individual?  Not to long ago trust route had a faster approval time/rate due to no background check.  Most gun trust are between 5-10 pages long, which should take less 30 min. to read. VS having to wait for another gov. entity to shuffle paperwork and get back to you on the back ground check.  Trusts aren't the problem, the systems is designed to make it hard, and yes this administration is trying to make it harder, you have to remember they use the time as a deterrent.
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 8:17:49 AM EDT
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Been a bunch of new hires and changes at NFA Branch in W.Va. I've been relaxing in Key Largo and largely ignoring the inter web; my apologies for waiting so long to update the list, here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/199928_.html&page=1

There now are two Section Chiefs (examiner supervisors), eight Specialists and 14 Examiners to plow through our 62,000 pending applications. Let's hope they all get up to speed asap.
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So if 15 months is the new normal, there are 14 Examiners, and 62,000 pending applications then:

62,000 applications / 14 examiners = 4428.57 applications per examiner (APE)

4428.57 APE / 15 months = 295.23 APE/month (applications each examiner does per month)

295.23 APEM / 20 working days (average per month) = an average of 14.76 applications per examiner per day is how they are figuring out that 15 month time frame.

Seems appropriate to me

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So if 15 months is the new normal, there are 14 Examiners, and 62,000 pending applications then:

62,000 applications / 14 examiners = 4428.57 applications per examiner (APE)

4428.57 APE / 15 months = 295.23 APE/month (applications each examiner does per month)

295.23 APEM / 20 working days (average per month) = an average of 14.76 applications per examiner per day is how they are figuring out that 15 month time frame.

Seems appropriate to me

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Been a bunch of new hires and changes at NFA Branch in W.Va. I've been relaxing in Key Largo and largely ignoring the inter web; my apologies for waiting so long to update the list, here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/199928_.html&page=1

There now are two Section Chiefs (examiner supervisors), eight Specialists and 14 Examiners to plow through our 62,000 pending applications. Let's hope they all get up to speed asap.



So if 15 months is the new normal, there are 14 Examiners, and 62,000 pending applications then:

62,000 applications / 14 examiners = 4428.57 applications per examiner (APE)

4428.57 APE / 15 months = 295.23 APE/month (applications each examiner does per month)

295.23 APEM / 20 working days (average per month) = an average of 14.76 applications per examiner per day is how they are figuring out that 15 month time frame.

Seems appropriate to me



If I did that amount of work per day, I would be unemployed ...
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 9:24:55 AM EDT
Yes thats very slow expecially if you dont even have to call the person.
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 10:24:51 AM EDT
Here's the problem that I have.  Many, many of us have already submitted applications on our trusts in the past and been approved.  Another review of our trust paperwork simply shouldn't be necessary.  A simple check to make sure that no additional people have been added or whatever is all that should be required.  Basically, they should be able to pull their records, see all the prior applications for "XYZ Trust," see that the trust has a green light, and stamp the damn application approved and send it on its way.  This time to review the trust again, after it's been reviewed by the same person already like 12 times, is just ludicrous.  Not to mention, these guys aren't lawyers are they?  How can they be charged with ensuring the validity of a trust or corp. in such a manner?  The whole process is ludicrous and whoever is in charge of the branch needs to wake up and change the policies or something.  Insanity
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 11:01:58 AM EDT
but then again its a revocable trust so it has to be looked at to make sure no changes were made to it.
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Yeah but all that really means is that you can put property into the trust and take it out, it's not there permanently.  It has no relevance here, as any legal transfer of an NFA firearm out of the trust would have to be approved on a form 4 anyway or a form (2?) on a tax free upon death (not certain on this).  Regardless, the fact that it's revocable has no bearing on its validity IMHO.
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 11:32:51 AM EDT
15 months as of last week.....
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Can you site where you are getting your information from, as far as trust taking longer to review than an individual?  Not to long ago trust route had a faster approval time/rate due to no background check.  Most gun trust are between 5-10 pages long, which should take less 30 min. to read. VS having to wait for another gov. entity to shuffle paperwork and get back to you on the back ground check.  Trusts aren't the problem, the systems is designed to make it hard, and yes this administration is trying to make it harder, you have to remember they use the time as a deterrent.
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.


The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!


Can you site where you are getting your information from, as far as trust taking longer to review than an individual?  Not to long ago trust route had a faster approval time/rate due to no background check.  Most gun trust are between 5-10 pages long, which should take less 30 min. to read. VS having to wait for another gov. entity to shuffle paperwork and get back to you on the back ground check.  Trusts aren't the problem, the systems is designed to make it hard, and yes this administration is trying to make it harder, you have to remember they use the time as a deterrent.


I may be wrong, but my understanding is the background is done by the FBI, and takes very little time. Process prints and a basically a NICS check. The trusts on the other hand have to be carefully looked at by the examiner, hence why so many in the last few years have been over scrutinzed and kicked back with correction letters. They also have to make sure the trust comforts with each states trust laws.
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So if 15 months is the new normal, there are 14 Examiners, and 62,000 pending applications then:

62,000 applications / 14 examiners = 4428.57 applications per examiner (APE)

4428.57 APE / 15 months = 295.23 APE/month (applications each examiner does per month)

295.23 APEM / 20 working days (average per month) = an average of 14.76 applications per examiner per day is how they are figuring out that 15 month time frame.

Seems appropriate to me

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Been a bunch of new hires and changes at NFA Branch in W.Va. I've been relaxing in Key Largo and largely ignoring the inter web; my apologies for waiting so long to update the list, here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/199928_.html&page=1

There now are two Section Chiefs (examiner supervisors), eight Specialists and 14 Examiners to plow through our 62,000 pending applications. Let's hope they all get up to speed asap.



So if 15 months is the new normal, there are 14 Examiners, and 62,000 pending applications then:

62,000 applications / 14 examiners = 4428.57 applications per examiner (APE)

4428.57 APE / 15 months = 295.23 APE/month (applications each examiner does per month)

295.23 APEM / 20 working days (average per month) = an average of 14.76 applications per examiner per day is how they are figuring out that 15 month time frame.

Seems appropriate to me




Take this a little further:  14.76 applications per day

assuming they work a standard 8 hour day with 2 - 15 minute breaks and an average of a 30 minute meeting per day that  = 7 hours of active work time.

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7 hours / 14.76 applications = 47.42 minutes spent on each application.


My trust was 15 pages long and it took me about 20 minutes to read the document, assuming 2.42 minutes between documents, and that leaves about 25 minutes to do any needed research and approve the document/person

Seriously, when you break it down, they are not slow, rather they are understaffed. Only taking 25 mintes for research on each document/person it seems like they are going really fast.  The last time I purchased a gun it look longer than that to fill out paperwork, input to NCIS, wait for approvial (even instant), and pay
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 1:49:29 PM EDT
You are wrong about the trust you can modify it and have it notarized and its still the same trust. The only problems would be if you tired to modify the name of the trust.
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What modification would nullify its effects?  If you modify the trust as to invalidate it, you'd be in violation of federal law for the weapons in its possession.

This could be avoided, again, if you could just send a page indicating the one on file is up to date and correct so that it wouldn't require review.
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 2:49:24 PM EDT
Simple enough, on the form when submitting a trust should be a couple check boxes-
Is this the first time this trust has applied for a stamp? Have there been any changes since the last approval? No &no means a quick verification of the last time it had been approved, and done. That would take care of 80% of the trusts in the system in no time.
Way too simple fora government agency I'm sure.
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Simple enough, on the form when submitting a trust should be a couple check boxes-
Is this the first time this trust has applied for a stamp? Have there been any changes since the last approval? No &no means a quick verification of the last time it had been approved, and done. That would take care of 80% of the trusts in the system in no time.
Way too simple fora government agency I'm sure.
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EXACTLY
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The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.


The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!


How about you stop blaming the people who HAVE to use the trust route, and start blaiming the asshole CLEOs who don't want to cooperate. Yeah, those damn "trust people". Next thing you know we will get lumped in with the cursed FSA.
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Seriously, when you break it down, they are not slow, rather they are understaffed. Only taking 25 mintes for research on each document/person it seems like they are going really fast.  The last time I purchased a gun it look longer than that to fill out paperwork, input to NCIS, wait for approvial (even instant), and pay
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This! I really don't blame the examiners. Okay, maybe you could argue they are government employees and don't work hard enough, but even if they worked the maximum a human could without any breaks, it probably wouldn't make a dent in the backlog. They need more examiners.

But we also need both the regulations and the law changed. With a friendly administration, some things can be changed: If you've been approved before, you shouldn't need prints or photos. The whole application should be done online. Hell, the background check should even need to be run- since that's done at physical transfer anyway. The CLEO sign off should also be eliminated. Finally, at a minimum, SBS, SBR, and suppressors should be removed from the NFA. MGs can be dealt with another day.
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This! I really don't blame the examiners. Okay, maybe you could argue they are government employees and don't work hard enough, but even if they worked the maximum a human could without any breaks, it probably wouldn't make a dent in the backlog. They need more examiners.

But we also need both the regulations and the law changed. With a friendly administration, some things can be changed: If you've been approved before, you shouldn't need prints or photos. The whole application should be done online. Hell, the background check should even need to be run- since that's done at physical transfer anyway. The CLEO sign off should also be eliminated. Finally, at a minimum, SBS, SBR, and suppressors should be removed from the NFA. MGs can be dealt with another day.
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Seriously, when you break it down, they are not slow, rather they are understaffed. Only taking 25 mintes for research on each document/person it seems like they are going really fast.  The last time I purchased a gun it look longer than that to fill out paperwork, input to NCIS, wait for approvial (even instant), and pay


This! I really don't blame the examiners. Okay, maybe you could argue they are government employees and don't work hard enough, but even if they worked the maximum a human could without any breaks, it probably wouldn't make a dent in the backlog. They need more examiners.

But we also need both the regulations and the law changed. With a friendly administration, some things can be changed: If you've been approved before, you shouldn't need prints or photos. The whole application should be done online. Hell, the background check should even need to be run- since that's done at physical transfer anyway. The CLEO sign off should also be eliminated. Finally, at a minimum, SBS, SBR, and suppressors should be removed from the NFA. MGs can be dealt with another day.


You may fill out a 4473 when you pick it up but it's not always required to be called into NICS  (or the state point of contact for NICS). I only say this because it's so often lost on us NFA folks, who are pretty well versed in the intricacies of this little known universe. And yes, of course the whole thing is dumb, they should just do the nics call and spare us all the other crap (for you hardcore folk, yes I don't like NICS either but lets agree to fight one battle at time,.. Gotta take the beach before you storm the castle)
Link Posted: 11/12/2013 9:35:53 AM EDT
My mother who worked at the unemployment office, who shortly after the Barackalypse occurred, had a backlog of nearly 800,000 claims. Our collective anger pales in comparison to someone who feels entitled to benefits they "earned" and their concerns on how they were going to support their families.  You should have seen the uproar when they had a 9-10 delay from submission to getting that first check.  She and 10 other adjudicators had to process a minimum of 50 claims per day or their replacements would.
Link Posted: 11/23/2013 8:56:02 PM EDT
NFA tracker has a form 4 from Washington being approved by Eric Leber. Looks like the new examiners are approving their own forms now.

Also has a Form 4 being approved by Shannon Siverio for Florida in 5 months and 20 days. Guess they are shifting up assigned states now.
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.
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If you take the 62K pending applications and divide by the 14 examiners.  It comes out to roughly 4.4k apps per examiner.  They have to check to make sure you paperwork is correct, make sure the trust/corp you are using is GTG and other assorted BS.  I can imagine they are doing there best but you can only do so much in a day.


eFiled forms should take less than 5 minutes each for entities,  and under 1 minute for manufacturers (Form 2's).  If the system was actually designed correctly,  it would pull up all of the information when opened,  and a quick read to verify everything shouldn't take long at all.  

Trusts only need a few key things to verify that they are legally created.  Grantor,  successor,  trustees,  and a name that carries over to the documents that get notary service.  Once you get a feel for legal trusts,  you don't need to read all of the pages,  especially when they aren't approving your trust for legality in your jurisdiction.  

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The problem is all the trust people flooding the system to try and beat the new regs. Unfortunately trusts take much longer to review than people who went the individual route. Sure wish they had separate examiners for trusts and individuals, may help us folks who still have good CLEOs get our stuff quicker without being stuck behind all the trusts bogging it down.  I feel like the guy with a carton of milk stuck behind the lady with two shopping carts and a thousand coupons at the grocery store!!


While they recognize me at the office for all of my repeat visits,  it's not like that everywhere.  One county over would make a huge difference,  depending on who is running the show.  I switched to the trust route just because it saved me $15 for each form,  waking up early on my day off,  and a 8 mile drive each way.  I can also submit my forms in my underwear.  

For you,  I'm sure they wouldn't have any objections to your paperwork signoffs though.  
Link Posted: 11/24/2013 11:11:00 AM EDT
The simple answer would be to stick a NFA Examiner in each state that ANY items would be shipped to, whether it was LE/MIL or Civ transfer.
Link Posted: 11/24/2013 12:07:26 PM EDT
The simplest answer would to be remove cans from the NFA.   That itself remove the huge backlog.  
Next step would be to have, as some stated, a coversheet that says 'has anything been changed ?'

It should be fast from there.  



Im not convinced that it is a backlog issue, or even a flood of paperwork issue.  
It is an issue stemming from the felt 'need' to further control gun owners.
Link Posted: 11/24/2013 1:46:01 PM EDT
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Im not convinced that it is a backlog issue, or even a flood of paperwork issue.  
It is an issue stemming from the felt 'need' to further control gun owners.
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That's the dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about.

Link Posted: 11/24/2013 1:55:27 PM EDT
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Im not convinced that it is a backlog issue, or even a flood of paperwork issue.
It is an issue stemming from the felt 'need' to further control gun owners.
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Actually, it kinda is.

I guess the NFA branch must have been really sticking it to gun owners back in 2011 when Form 1's/4's were taking no more than a month or two to come back.
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