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Posted: 6/6/2017 9:35:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 9:00:05 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 9:43:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/6/2017 9:44:46 AM EST by jlficken]
So they copied AAC from 2008ish with the "Front Toward Enemy" saying....how original

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Link Posted: 6/6/2017 9:47:44 AM EST
Impressive numbers
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 9:47:54 AM EST
Is the 3.6" added length that's quoted based on the end of the muzzle device or a bare muzzle?

Pictures of muzzle device?
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 9:53:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
Is the 3.6" added length that's quoted based on the end of the muzzle device or a bare muzzle?

Pictures of muzzle device?
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From their Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BUAaIZej01r/?taken-by=supparm
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 9:56:24 AM EST
Ya, I want to see the muzzle device
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 10:02:57 AM EST
I really question the level of suppression and the 'all titanium' construction. No blast baffle made from, uh, ANY better material? Give me two or three more ounces and a stellite baffle stack.
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 10:32:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BadgerArms:
I really question the level of suppression and the 'all titanium' construction. No blast baffle made from, uh, ANY better material? Give me two or three more ounces and a stellite blast baffle stack.
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Link Posted: 6/6/2017 11:08:00 AM EST
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[Last Edit: 6/6/2017 11:10:58 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 11:36:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/6/2017 12:03:13 PM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 12:52:43 PM EST
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Lol.

So it *appears* that it's yet another manufacturer who only counts the length the suppressor adds past the length the muzzle device already adds.

If that's the case, that method of measurement is complete bullshit as usual. "Our silencer only adds two inches to the host weapon! (Because our muzzle device already added 2.5" but never mind that.)

And before anyone tells me it's a reflex suppressor, I know it is.

It's apparently a quiet can (I'd like independent testing of course), but I really wish manufacturers would quit the bullshit and give us total length of the silencer, length the muzzle device adds, and length the complete system adds to the bare muzzle. Otherwise, if the silencer adds 1" to a muzzle device that adds 5", those numbers do absolutely no good for us.
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 1:19:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GeneralPurpose:
If that's the case, that method of measurement is complete bullshit as usual. "Our silencer only adds two inches to the host weapon! (Because our muzzle device already added 2.5" but never mind that.)
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You know that the muzzle device telescopes the barrel as well, right? You might criticize this from a heat dissipation or volume point of view, but the bare-muzzle to end-of-suppressor length still looks impressive. I would prefer a larger diameter, but it seems manufactures only pay attention to length, these days. How about a 2" diameter reflex can that adds 3" to the length of the weapon? I might buy that one. In fact, these are ALL OVER Europe.
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 4:13:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jlficken:
So they copied AAC from 2008ish with the "Front Toward Enemy" saying....how original

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/128059/IMG-2618-224346.JPG
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Words are pointing the other direction. Totally different.
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 5:20:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 5:32:44 PM EST
This looks like a really great can and the specs are impressive. The can I use the most right now is an AAC SPR/M4 and man, I love that can. There are several things I like even better about this SAS Claymore, especially the light weight.
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 6:25:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/6/2017 8:04:04 PM EST
Independent testing needed. To many claim numbers like that and never come out to be.
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 6:33:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 8:25:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By deserteaglexxx:
Independent testing needed. To many claim numbers like that and never come out to be.
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I own two SAS cans and I'm very happy with their performance, both sound level and accuracy. I know its not perfect, but I'd say Tim's testing methods are sound and his results are representative of the industry. For the record, I'm just an end user. I am not affiliated with SAS or any person in their dealer network.
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 9:26:08 AM EST
The video doesn't work for me. Can you put it on Youtube or somewhere else that's more user friendly than Photobucket?
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 10:11:33 AM EST
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Link Posted: 6/7/2017 12:23:47 PM EST
Color me interested...
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 8:40:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/7/2017 11:02:45 PM EST by GeneralPurpose]
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:
Here are the Spec's for our test weapon.

Barrel length 17 5/16" No brake
With brake 18 11/16"

With suppressor on it is OAL is 22 3/8"


Additional length is 5 1/16" for suppressor, and Brake.

weights as well.
brake 3.4ozs heat treated, Nitrided Coated, 4150 Steel.
suppressor 12.2 ozs
standard tomb brake for comparison 3.9 ozs


Used Federal XM193 Ammo 55gr Average Chrono was 3235 FPS.

Hope this makes it clear IF not feel free to call or Text me your questions.

Thanks
Steve
RTLW
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Now we're getting somewhere! Thanks for the data.

~5.0625" added and 15.6 ounces is very good. For comparison's sake, that's about 0.7" shorter than a Recce 5 (added length) and about 0.1 ounces heavier (system weight).
Link Posted: 6/7/2017 11:48:18 PM EST
What mic location was used for metering?
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 6:33:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 6:35:57 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 6:40:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 8:30:20 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 7:51:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 8:00:05 AM EST by GRIFFIN_ARMAMENT]
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 8:30:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 8:34:16 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 10:34:17 AM EST
Did I miss the "at the ear" number?  You said the video shows it, not sure what video you're talking about, but what was the at-the-ear number?
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 12:21:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/8/2017 12:23:28 PM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 1:26:16 PM EST
nice
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 2:36:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:


We didn't do a AT THE EAR number. I can get that for you. It would be a few days or so.

The 130.79 Average. 38.21 DB of reduction. This is a 10 shot average. Not a 5 shot That is at the BORE. in accordance with MIL-SPEC testing.
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If you can test at the ear that would be awesome, I'm very interested in reflex cans of any type but the only measurement that matters to me is at my ear. I believe that is part of the new military standard according to MAC and I think anybody who is metering a suppressor ought to take both measurements every time. Then the consumer can choose which number matters more for their application.
Link Posted: 6/8/2017 8:01:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/17/2017 12:32:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:



Working in it as we speak. Should have you a number by monday.
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Any update?
Link Posted: 6/17/2017 4:53:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/17/2017 5:12:50 PM EST by browning43]
I want numbers with the .30 caliber that you have mentioned.

I am very intrigued but would like to know of any differences.

Is the .30 cal the exact same can just a larger hole?
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 4:40:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 4:49:36 PM EST by Red_SC]
How far does it reflex back over the barrel?

edit- math using the numbers you gave indicates just under 3 1/4. If so, that's just a hair too long for what I need.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:26:21 AM EST
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Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:28:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:


We did more texting, the At ear number is Below 120DB's. Well Below. Once we get a few more volunteers we will get a vid of the testing. To show it uninterrupted.

At that point we will put out the actual numbers.
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This must have been a bolt action rifle. Otherwise I call BS.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:39:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ar15eric:

This must have been a bolt action rifle. Otherwise I call BS.
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I second that
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:12:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:14:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/20/2017 11:20:08 AM EST by Rangerwalker71]
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 12:03:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:
No it was not. That is why until we get a vid showing it. I don't want to put it out.
Again, Tim at SAS has put out to ANYONE that wants you can come out and test with him.
CALL TIM AT 775-386-9880

thanks
Steve
RLTW
816-718-9489
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I've got no dog in the fight, and I'd love to try one of these out sometime, but just for reference, the bolt closing on an AR is around 120db at the port.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 12:32:59 PM EST
What is the blast baffle bore diameter?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 12:42:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/20/2017 1:15:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:
We did more texting, the At ear number is Below 120DB's. Well Below. Once we get a few more volunteers we will get a vid of the testing. To show it uninterrupted.

At that point we will put out the actual numbers.
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Originally Posted By Rangerwalker71:
Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:
Any update?
We did more texting, the At ear number is Below 120DB's. Well Below. Once we get a few more volunteers we will get a vid of the testing. To show it uninterrupted.

At that point we will put out the actual numbers.
The quietest numbers I've seen are for a silenced 10/22 metering at 119 dB with supersonic ammo and 115 dB with subsonic ammo.

Your .223 AR with supersonic ammo is "well below" a 10/22 with supersonic ammo? So, as quiet as a subsonic .22 or what? Do you guys have the same meter as JJFU?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 1:29:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 2:45:54 PM EST
This is either the quietest centerfire supressor at the ear and muzzle on the market, a discrepancy of equipment/testing procedure, or a load of BS.
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