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Posted: 8/13/2017 7:30:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/14/2017 2:54:45 AM EST by osprey21]
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Link Posted: 8/13/2017 8:33:33 PM EST
%£$&!

There goes my wallet.
Link Posted: 8/13/2017 11:57:25 PM EST
What parts need conversion to semi? Is it just the lower or do you need a USC/semi carrier?
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 12:49:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
What parts need conversion to semi? Is it just the lower or do you need a USC/semi carrier?
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HDPS is what you seek.
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 1:14:16 AM EST
That's pimp
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 1:35:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/14/2017 1:45:04 AM EST by Capt_Destro]


SBT5K Would look at home on it. You know as a pistol.



UMP B&T Stock


I don't know a whole lot about the UMP, but the MP5 Folding Mechanism looks pretty similar. Is there any chance MP5 Stocks would fit on a UMP?
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 8:21:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Black-Tiger:


HDPS is what you seek.
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For converting a USC, sure, but this already has the stock block etc. Just wondering what semi specific parts would be needed other than the lower with semi FCG.
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 9:06:25 AM EST
The lower and the ump bolt need to be converted to semi auto. Omega will professionally convert any ump full auto parts you have for free with the purchase of an upper. All you would have to do is pay for shipping the parts in and back. We will convert and ship back to you and the upper to your ffl.
Link Posted: 8/14/2017 9:27:44 AM EST
So total price with brace in my estimate would be close to $2k?
Link Posted: 8/20/2017 9:29:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Top_Notch_Omega:
The lower and the ump bolt need to be converted to semi auto. Omega will professionally convert any ump full auto parts you have for free with the purchase of an upper. All you would have to do is pay for shipping the parts in and back. We will convert and ship back to you and the upper to your ffl.
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This is great! Thank you guys! I just bought one from you on GB. Looking forward to seeing it.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 8:39:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Capt_Destro:


SBT5K Would look at home on it. You know as a pistol.

https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_SBT5K_Left-ghosted.jpg

UMP B&T Stock
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/main-view-bt-apc-fold-stck_1574_detail.jpg

I don't know a whole lot about the UMP, but the MP5 Folding Mechanism looks pretty similar. Is there any chance MP5 Stocks would fit on a UMP?
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That SBT brace would work if you take off the mp5 adapter.
Link Posted: 8/21/2017 9:34:43 PM EST
Link? Looks like staff nuked the "advertising".
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:15:29 PM EST
Excellent

Exlains guys selling UMPs off recently for @4K
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:19:56 PM EST
Is Wade Bailey related to Todd Bailey?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 5:21:12 PM EST
How does the bolt need to be modified to fit and function?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 5:58:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
Is Wade Bailey related to Todd Bailey?
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Brothers
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 6:29:18 PM EST
Is this going to be available is it complete gun?
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 6:48:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 8:35:17 AM EST
When do you guys think these will be in??
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 6:14:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/25/2017 6:35:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
If we had to take a realistic guess on when we might start to see some receivers mid to late Sept and beginning to see some complete pistols in early to mid October ish. Right now the main hurdle is locating UMP kits that are reasonably priced.
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Are we looking at a price point close to the mp5 clones?
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 12:45:43 PM EST
awesome gives me some time to get some coin together, I like handing you guys my money it is a win win every time...
Link Posted: 8/28/2017 7:09:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2017 1:25:04 PM EST
Can we get a pic of this?
Link Posted: 9/12/2017 5:18:17 PM EST
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Considering an APC9, but could make adjustments for these.

The APC9 is blowback, takes expensive mags, just like the UMP. But unlike the UMP is supported by a larger mfg, takes some AR triggers, is PDW sized, and is about 2k.

Not interested in caliber switching, nor paying $900 for the kits to do so. Are there any reasons I'd even consider a UMP clone over the B&T?
Link Posted: 9/12/2017 9:50:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Capt_Destro:


SBT5K Would look at home on it. You know as a pistol.

https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_SBT5K_Left-ghosted.jpg

UMP B&T Stock
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/main-view-bt-apc-fold-stck_1574_detail.jpg

I don't know a whole lot about the UMP, but the MP5 Folding Mechanism looks pretty similar. Is there any chance MP5 Stocks would fit on a UMP?
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That second link is not the UMP stock, the longer one is for the UMP but both would fit and work.
Link Posted: 9/12/2017 9:53:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:
Considering an APC9, but could make adjustments for these.

The APC9 is blowback, takes expensive mags, just like the UMP. But unlike the UMP is supported by a larger mfg, takes some AR triggers, is PDW sized, and is about 2k.

Not interested in caliber switching, nor paying $900 for the kits to do so. Are there any reasons I'd even consider a UMP clone over the B&T?
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APC9 is way better than an UMP, I have got to fondle one and was not impressed. I have an APC9 and MP5 clones. GHM9 will be coming out soon and is cheaper than an APC9.
Link Posted: 9/13/2017 8:57:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2017 8:57:09 AM EST by deuc224]
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Originally Posted By xM16a1x:

APC9 is way better than an UMP, I have got to fondle one and was not impressed. I have an APC9 and MP5 clones. GHM9 will be coming out soon and is cheaper than an APC9.
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Fondle and shooting are 2 different things. The UMP recoil is so linear and soft.. Its like a small push straight back. Shoot one and see how you like it, they are very nice. Have it in 9mm but will probably stay in 45 from now on.
Link Posted: 9/13/2017 9:43:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
Is Wade Bailey related to Todd Bailey?
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
Is Wade Bailey related to Todd Bailey?
Originally Posted By bestiller:


Brothers
That's all I needed to know.
Link Posted: 9/14/2017 11:27:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreyGhost:
[They're brothers] That's all I needed to know.
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I mean... You're not wrong AT ALL.

On one hand, Todd Bailey did put out SOME ok parts for a fair price, maybe this gun runs fine.

On the other hand, you'd have to be such a fool to think Todd Bailey isn't actually involved in this nor that his brother wouldn't be prone to the same practices that made him infamous - end of story on that, but also I'm just not sure other than the unobtainum factor why anyone would line up for a unsupported clone of a gun that might end up being a tire fire when there are so many other options now.

Had this come around 5 years ago - I'd absolutely own one! But now... Man IDK. They'd really have to get the cost under 2400 for a 9mm, it won't be, but even if it was the UMP is bigger than a fullsize MP5. I'm interested, but the rational part of me is saying APC9, MP5K, MPX-K, Scorpion-K, 9mm AR from Glock mags, even a PS90. It's all trade-offs and I'm just not seeing the UMP winning anything other than "but I've never been allowed to have one!" which is some kiddo-nonsense imo.

All that said... I'm still 10% interested.
Link Posted: 9/14/2017 11:47:38 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/14/2017 11:52:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
I can't find any info on this other than this thread
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There was a prototype sold on GunBroker with a picture of a non-textured first sample - Remind me - Do serious companies sell their untextured first articles out of their molds!?

And there is a thread at HK"pro" with the typical "I too have too much money" comments over there, it's not in clone talk for some reason, but in Heads Up.
Link Posted: 9/15/2017 12:56:47 PM EST
I'd like an UMP clone, but at the price I'm calculating (@$2k) I'd probably get the B&T APC9/45 instead.
Link Posted: 9/15/2017 4:15:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:


There was a prototype sold on GunBroker with a picture of a non-textured first sample - Remind me - Do serious companies sell their untextured first articles out of their molds!?

And there is a thread at HK"pro" with the typical "I too have too much money" comments over there, it's not in clone talk for some reason, but in Heads Up.
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What I'm seeing on GSG9's instagram is a bit more promissing, since they're working with omega and atlantic on these Ump clones. And possibly a US G36 and MP7.
Link Posted: 9/18/2017 7:01:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Slimjim:

What I'm seeing on GSG9's instagram is a bit more promissing, since they're working with omega and atlantic on these Ump clones. And possibly a US G36 and MP7.
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Link?

Also... LOL@MP7. If people knew how dumb that gun was there would be almost endless threads about it. Because people can't have it - they seem to have told themselves it's NOT a really large .17 cal. I was pretty shocked when I held my first MP7 how stupid large it was for the bullet it shoots. It's funny because the PS90 is 10x more gun in a package that makes sense, with a bullet that while not being crazy is fairly decent. Civilian markets, PS90 hands down all day, military full auto with AP ammo, MAYBE the MP7 can come up to a P90 but only up to, not above. Anyone saying they're making an MP7 clone with a straight face is either in on the joke or they're about to be one.... just my opinion of course.
Link Posted: 9/18/2017 8:22:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:


Link?

Also... LOL@MP7. If people knew how dumb that gun was there would be almost endless threads about it. Because people can't have it - they seem to have told themselves it's NOT a really large .17 cal. I was pretty shocked when I held my first MP7 how stupid large it was for the bullet it shoots. It's funny because the PS90 is 10x more gun in a package that makes sense, with a bullet that while not being crazy is fairly decent. Civilian markets, PS90 hands down all day, military full auto with AP ammo, MAYBE the MP7 can come up to a P90 but only up to, not above. Anyone saying they're making an MP7 clone with a straight face is either in on the joke or they're about to be one.... just my opinion of course.
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Completely agree.
The only people who could possibly want one is someone who's never used one.

I like the UMP though (just because I think it looks cool haha). Even the UMP is hard to justify using for anything other than range fun. The mk18 and 300 blackout really killed the subgun.

and lol omg MP7 lol
Link Posted: 9/18/2017 9:36:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Active:


Completely agree.
The only people who could possibly want one is someone who's never used one.

I like the UMP though (just because I think it looks cool haha). Even the UMP is hard to justify using for anything other than range fun. The mk18 and 300 blackout really killed the subgun.

and lol omg MP7 lol
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There doesn't need to be a reason you want one.
Link Posted: 9/18/2017 10:42:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2017 10:52:28 PM EST by Evintos]
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Originally Posted By new21022:


Link?

Also... LOL@MP7. If people knew how dumb that gun was there would be almost endless threads about it. Because people can't have it - they seem to have told themselves it's NOT a really large .17 cal. I was pretty shocked when I held my first MP7 how stupid large it was for the bullet it shoots. It's funny because the PS90 is 10x more gun in a package that makes sense, with a bullet that while not being crazy is fairly decent. Civilian markets, PS90 hands down all day, military full auto with AP ammo, MAYBE the MP7 can come up to a P90 but only up to, not above. Anyone saying they're making an MP7 clone with a straight face is either in on the joke or they're about to be one.... just my opinion of course.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BYPyK_ahLDn/?taken-by=gsg9.us
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXy1Su3BbL2/?taken-by=gsg9.us
https://www.instagram.com/gsg9.us/

MP7 in 5.7x28mm
G36 is apparently Tommybuilt receivers with GSG9 parts project.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 6:29:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 12:05:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

MP7 looks nice. Personally, while they're debating on which pointless expensive PDW cartridge they should use, I'd love to see it in a regular pistol caliber.
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I'll concede that the MP7 in 5.7 is better than a 4.6, but still... In 5.7 it only highlights to get the PS90, and in 9mm it would still be outclassed by the TP9. That gun is so much larger than people think it is, it was really made for full auto only.

The UMP guns look interesting enough, but the market will bear too high a cost to make it reasonable. These will cost just as much if not more than a good MP5, or APC9.
Link Posted: 9/19/2017 12:19:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2017 10:09:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:


I'll concede that the MP7 in 5.7 is better than a 4.6, but still... In 5.7 it only highlights to get the PS90, and in 9mm it would still be outclassed by the TP9. That gun is so much larger than people think it is, it was really made for full auto only.
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Originally Posted By new21022:


I'll concede that the MP7 in 5.7 is better than a 4.6, but still... In 5.7 it only highlights to get the PS90, and in 9mm it would still be outclassed by the TP9. That gun is so much larger than people think it is, it was really made for full auto only.
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

The cross bolt safety alone makes it a stupid gun.

5.7 would be better than 4.6 but then you're looking at a much larger grip. Honestly, it would be sick in 357 but you can't do that and not make it in 9 and 40.
In a 5.7x28mm though, there probably will be more people buying it over the PS90 given that accessory mounting is easier and the possibility of a pistol brace (unless it's absurdly overpriced; I saw an LE/MIL version for sale for around $1300). In any case parts/magazine availability/reliability is an issue with any MP7 clone not in the original design caliber, emphasis on magazine availability and reliability.

If it comes in at under $2000 and magazines aren't $70+ each, I'll be adding one to my collection.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 12:42:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Evintos:
If it comes in at under $2000 and magazines aren't $70+ each, I'll be adding one to my collection.
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Oh you sweet summer child...
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 1:28:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:


Oh you sweet summer child...
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I know it's not likely, but hey, one can dream. It'd be pretty insane for them to price themselves out of the current soft market, imo.
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 12:11:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Evintos:


I know it's not likely, but hey, one can dream. It'd be pretty insane for them to price themselves out of the current soft market, imo.
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HK has always been a "go be poor somewhere else" thing.
Link Posted: 9/22/2017 11:33:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By new21022:
I mean... You're not wrong AT ALL.

On one hand, Todd Bailey did put out SOME ok parts for a fair price, maybe this gun runs fine.

On the other hand, you'd have to be such a fool to think Todd Bailey isn't actually involved in this nor that his brother wouldn't be prone to the same practices that made him infamous - end of story on that, but also I'm just not sure other than the unobtainum factor why anyone would line up for a unsupported clone of a gun that might end up being a tire fire when there are so many other options now.

Had this come around 5 years ago - I'd absolutely own one! But now... Man IDK. They'd really have to get the cost under 2400 for a 9mm, it won't be, but even if it was the UMP is bigger than a fullsize MP5. I'm interested, but the rational part of me is saying APC9, MP5K, MPX-K, Scorpion-K, 9mm AR from Glock mags, even a PS90. It's all trade-offs and I'm just not seeing the UMP winning anything other than "but I've never been allowed to have one!" which is some kiddo-nonsense imo.

All that said... I'm still 10% interested.
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Originally Posted By GreyGhost:
[They're brothers] That's all I needed to know.
I mean... You're not wrong AT ALL.

On one hand, Todd Bailey did put out SOME ok parts for a fair price, maybe this gun runs fine.

On the other hand, you'd have to be such a fool to think Todd Bailey isn't actually involved in this nor that his brother wouldn't be prone to the same practices that made him infamous - end of story on that, but also I'm just not sure other than the unobtainum factor why anyone would line up for a unsupported clone of a gun that might end up being a tire fire when there are so many other options now.

Had this come around 5 years ago - I'd absolutely own one! But now... Man IDK. They'd really have to get the cost under 2400 for a 9mm, it won't be, but even if it was the UMP is bigger than a fullsize MP5. I'm interested, but the rational part of me is saying APC9, MP5K, MPX-K, Scorpion-K, 9mm AR from Glock mags, even a PS90. It's all trade-offs and I'm just not seeing the UMP winning anything other than "but I've never been allowed to have one!" which is some kiddo-nonsense imo.

All that said... I'm still 10% interested.
I agree....if I wanted an UMP but had a 2k budget, I'd personally settle for Swiss tested B&T subgun, over an UMP clone that is untested, BUT time will tell the story and sway the market, nothing sells a product like a reputation of quality and nothing makes a product line go tits up like a reputation for putting out turds that are paper weights out of the box.
Link Posted: 9/24/2017 9:26:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:


HK has always been a "go be poor somewhere else" thing.
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Not entirely HK doing that though. There are a few factors.

Most of the dealer sample/LE Hk stuff can be had for around the same price as any other nice firearm.
Here's an MP7 select fire fro $1,300. UMPs/MP5 can be had for $1,600-2,200. Thats really not bad.

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-MP7A1-PDW-4-6x30mm-Submachine-Gun-p/hk-mp7a1.htm
Link Posted: 9/24/2017 9:28:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By bestiller:


I agree....if I wanted an UMP but had a 2k budget, I'd personally settle for Swiss tested B&T subgun, over an UMP clone that is untested, BUT time will tell the story and sway the market, nothing sells a product like a reputation of quality and nothing makes a product line go tits up like a reputation for putting out turds that are paper weights out of the box.
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Agree, buy an UMP because they look cool, but for real use the B&T subguns are hard to beat.
Link Posted: 9/24/2017 9:57:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Active:


Not entirely HK doing that though. There are a few factors.

Most of the dealer sample/LE Hk stuff can be had for around the same price as any other nice firearm.
Here's an MP7 select fire fro $1,300. UMPs/MP5 can be had for $1,600-2,200. Thats really not bad.

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-MP7A1-PDW-4-6x30mm-Submachine-Gun-p/hk-mp7a1.htm
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Yeah but the new SP5K is priced above the run of the mill clones, so it is in fact their doing.

For the small specialist manufacturers, the high costs are in line with their capacity and the amount of time they have to put in to get their guns right.

Buying used guns that are severely limited in who you can sell them to? That's why those prices are so low.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 4:40:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:


Yeah but the new SP5K is priced above the run of the mill clones, so it is in fact their doing.

For the small specialist manufacturers, the high costs are in line with their capacity and the amount of time they have to put in to get their guns right.

Buying used guns that are severely limited in who you can sell them to? That's why those prices are so low.
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It also comes with a hard case, optic mount, sling and other stuff.
Link Posted: 9/25/2017 9:45:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By aemun:
It also comes with a hard case, optic mount, sling and other stuff.
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So do the MKEs.
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