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Posted: 10/21/2013 9:54:18 AM EST
Just got her in, this thing is f*&#ing outstanding! Put some troy BUIS on there along with a Eotech EXPS2/G33 combo and a surefire M300. Can't wait to break her in at the range tomorrow!

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Link Posted: 10/21/2013 10:06:40 AM EST
you got all the hard to get goodies
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 10:35:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2013 10:37:01 AM EST by MisterPX]
Is that mini chess set glass, or plastic?

Oh, and nice rifle.
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 10:48:43 AM EST
Lol, it's glass.

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Originally Posted By MisterPX:
Is that mini chess set glass, or plastic?

Oh, and nice rifle.
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Link Posted: 10/21/2013 10:50:31 AM EST
Here's a couple of more pics

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Link Posted: 10/21/2013 5:18:16 PM EST
Damned nice rifle, makes me wish Ida gotten a fde myself instead of black, I'm going to have to color mine for sure lol
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 6:34:13 PM EST
I know you haven't been to the range but how's are the Troys and EOTech together? I wanted to add both to mine for a similar setup. Do you still get a good cheek weld?

How will you sight it in and what distance?

Can't wait to get mine in...pics look great.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 3:47:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LineofSight:
I know you haven't been to the range but how's are the Troys and EOTech together? I wanted to add both to mine for a similar setup. Do you still get a good cheek weld?

How will you sight it in and what distance?

Can't wait to get mine in...pics look great.
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The Troy FBS and Eotech EXPS2/G33 combo work pretty well for me just from sighting in. Because of the bullpup design there will be limitations on sight radius of course. Plenty of clearance under the G33 for just about any rear sight you could want. The Tavor has BUIS built into the rail system that aren't too bad, but they cannot be set up for lower 1/3 cowitness which is why I put the Troys on there (I had a set sitting around and it worked out well). The front sight post sits very low inside the EXPS2, at the very bottom, although the contoured sides make it easy to pick up. For me it's actually ideal. Low enough to keep it out of the way if you like to run the front post up, but just high enough to be able to pick up easy. You would be able to "float" your target at the bottom of the EXPS2 and center the front sight post on it if that makes sense.

As far as the cheek weld goes, I was also very impressed. It was one of the things I worried the most about since unlike the AR platform it's pretty much unadjustable. I typically like a longer radius from shoulder to trigger than most. I usually run my ARs from the 4-6th stock positions. I also prefer a higher cheek position whenever possible to place as much leverage on whenever possible. With most AR stocks I'm at the jawline when I'm sighting in because I like a closer to eye position on my magnifiers. The Tavor's stock could be a cunt hair or two higher for my prefence's, but is not bad at all. Better than most ARs for my taste. The distance from shoulder to trigger is just about perfect for my taste as well.

It balances a little heavy towards the rear, even with optics and light on there, but that's to be expected with a bullpup design. Although it's a 10 lb rifle fully loaded, the weight distribution allows for it to "point" better than any AR I've handled, and just feels amazing in hand. I thought the pistol grip would be too thin for my taste when I first saw it, but it's growing on me quickly. The only thing I would knock this thing for is probably the sight radius. But considering what you are getting in return for losing a few inches in sight radius, it's well worth the trade off. YMMV
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 3:51:45 AM EST
On sighting in: I'm limited in ranges locally, so I'll be zeroing indoors at 25 yard on a 25/300 yd target. Because this will be setup mostly for CQB and 300 yds or less, I'm only concerned with "minute of bad guy" accuracy. If I wanted precision I'd have gotten a 20" AR with a rifle length gas system, a match trigger, and some high powered glass.

Some years ago at Parris Island they taught me how to shoot out to 500 yds with iron sights and I can still get it done out to 300 yards if need be with this platform. Sight elevation adjustments or some real good Kentucky windage would be needed past 300 yds in my opinion. Back then we zeroed our rifles at the 36 yard line for a simulated 300yd which seemed to have worked just fine.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 7:12:48 AM EST
looks like a 25 yard zero with federal m193 55 gr with a sight HOB of 3.6 inches (i think that's close to the tavor HOB, but i can't measure right now) and 3000 fps at muzzle will put you at about 10 inches high at 100 yds. Max arc of about 18 inches at 270 yds. I'd think a flatter trajectory would be better. Even a 50 yd zero would make a big difference. but everyone has their own preference i guess. I don't know how accurate this calculator is, but its fun to play around with.

http://gundata.org/ballistic-calculator/

congrats on the awesome rifle man!

DS

Link Posted: 10/22/2013 7:19:49 AM EST
very nice pup.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 6:06:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tj1371x:
On sighting in: I'm limited in ranges locally, so I'll be zeroing indoors at 25 yard on a 25/300 yd target. Because this will be setup mostly for CQB and 300 yds or less, I'm only concerned with "minute of bad guy" accuracy. If I wanted precision I'd have gotten a 20" AR with a rifle length gas system, a match trigger, and some high powered glass.

Some years ago at Parris Island they taught me how to shoot out to 500 yds with iron sights and I can still get it done out to 300 yards if need be with this platform. Sight elevation adjustments or some real good Kentucky windage would be needed past 300 yds in my opinion. Back then we zeroed our rifles at the 36 yard line for a simulated 300yd which seemed to have worked just fine.
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I haven't seen anyone at the moment running irons such as yours. I was curious how sighting it in would work. 25 yards sounds good...thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:48:57 AM EST
I'm actually a little disappointed with how the low Troy BUIS sit behind the EXPS2. I think I'm just going to go with the stock irons on the Tavor instead. There's no larger rear aperture setting but they seem to work well enough as is. The front sight post has a tritium insert which was a nice touch on IWI's part.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 1:34:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tj1371x:
I'm actually a little disappointed with how the low Troy BUIS sit behind the EXPS2. I think I'm just going to go with the stock irons on the Tavor instead. There's no larger rear aperture setting but they seem to work well enough as is. The front sight post has a tritium insert which was a nice touch on IWI's part.
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How do you mean low behind the optic? Do you normally shoot with irons up while using the red dot? You have me nervous about using Troys now.
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 2:16:43 PM EST
why put buis on when it comes with iron sights?
Link Posted: 10/24/2013 5:07:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By pjomalley:
why put buis on when it comes with iron sights?
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Some may not like the stock irons. User preference.

I run Troys on all my rifles...just considering them as an option on the Tavor.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 3:07:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LineofSight:


How do you mean low behind the optic? Do you normally shoot with irons up while using the red dot? You have me nervous about using Troys now.
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Originally Posted By LineofSight:
Originally Posted By tj1371x:
I'm actually a little disappointed with how the low Troy BUIS sit behind the EXPS2. I think I'm just going to go with the stock irons on the Tavor instead. There's no larger rear aperture setting but they seem to work well enough as is. The front sight post has a tritium insert which was a nice touch on IWI's part.


How do you mean low behind the optic? Do you normally shoot with irons up while using the red dot? You have me nervous about using Troys now.


You can kind of see what I'm talking about in the cowtiness pic at the top of the thread. The front sight post is just barely visible through the exps2. In low lighting this can be difficult to see. I didn't like the stock BUIS on the Tavor at first, but I've grown to like them now. I had the Troy's sitting around so I put them on at first. I'm probably going to take them off now. There's nothing wrong with them, just personal preference.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 7:57:12 AM EST
Nice AR in the family photo
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