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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:33:46 AM EDT
 Attached FileI under this not a good picture but have questions about this rifle The rear sight is different The hand guard isn't there. But the barrel bans looks like it doesn't have one. What can you tell me about it from this picture. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:50:22 AM EDT
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picture of the roll mark?
and it has one of those scout scope mount things as a rear sight |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 9:52:54 AM EDT
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No scope mount
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:40:27 AM EDT
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Older rifle. Depending on length, it's likely a M1891 (M91), as Dragoon, or a Cossack. It's a LOT more likely it's a M91, but the possibility remains that it could be one of the other two.
We'll need more and better pictures to be sure. Get one of the Barrel shank and measure the overall length. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:19:48 PM EDT
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Looks like a m91. Rear site slider is moved way up for long range, that's why it looks kinda funny now. Has a older type 1 barrel band. I Need better pics for more info. Handguards aren't always there, especially if its a Balkans used gun.
Need a overall shot of rifle, and a pic of crest on barrel, and any marks on top of receiver flat. I have examined hundreds if not thousands of M91's I've seen it all 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:32:48 PM EDT
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From the markings, it looks like an Imperial Tula M1891, to me, but it's hard to make out the markings.
I love the old M91s. They have a lot of style and character. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:42:00 PM EDT
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Go shoot it at a thousand arshins and post a pic of the target, OP.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:17:04 PM EDT
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Definitely a M91. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM91R.htm
You can move the rear sight slider by squeezing the buttons on either side of the slider and pulling it rearward. It's set at a very long range right now. The handguard is missing, but that's not uncommon on M91s. The handguard is held in place by small metal "prongs" on the front and back of the handguard, which slip under the barrel bands. The barrel bands don't go over the thicker wooden portion of the handguard, which is why it looks normal even though the handguard is missing. 
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:41:07 PM EDT
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It's a imperial M91, puts it before 1917. I can't make it out, but possible a tula. Looks to have eagle still on it, so might not be a balkans used gun. Does it have a SA in a box on left side of barrel shank near receiver?
Looks to have both bands. Oh, and for crying out loud fix the rear site it looks retarded
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:05:58 PM EDT
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This isn't my rifle . It is someone selling it. I am trying to figure out what it is and a approximate value. I am going to get my hands on it this evening and should get some good picture.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 3:59:24 PM EDT
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from what I see now 300ish. Maybe more or less depending on bore, missing parts, markings, ect...
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Posted: 8/9/2017 6:42:04 PM EDT
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Can't make out the date due to the blurry picture but it's a Tula made M91 made between 1892 and 1912 when they switched to the Peter the Great marking. M91's like it usually sell in the 400$ range depending but replacement hand guards are difficult to find and can cost upwards of 100$ when you do find them so I'd call it a 300$ rifle.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 6:53:48 PM EDT
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The overall length is 51 inches barrel length is 33 inches to the opening in the receiver cleaning a ride is 29 inches
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Posted: 8/9/2017 6:55:18 PM EDT
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And the numbers do not match.
With non matching numbers rust on the but plate and what I think is fair condition the barrel bands need to be soaked in penetrating oil to be able to get them to move so they can be tighten them up Bore is dirty but the rifling looks strong. These ok to shoot? How much would you buy it for. Want to make an responsible offer. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:16:07 PM EDT
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Antique bbl, probable antique receiver, price just went up.
Perfectly safe to shoot. Probably fought in the 1st WW w/o issues. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:18:10 PM EDT
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?????
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Posted: 8/9/2017 7:49:48 PM EDT
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I'd offer 300$ due to the missing hand guard, I'd also check the barrel bands to make sure the screws aren't stripped out. The screws on those barrel bands are reverse theaded and many are stripped out accidentally by people who don't know better. They can't be fixed if they are stripped so you have to buy new bands which cost about 40$ apiece so that could affect value as well. The D stamp on the barrel shank is a Finnish stamp meaning chamber was modified to handle the Finnish D-166 service round during WW2 so this rifle was used by the Finn's in WW2 and likely saw action WW1 before that.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 11:12:48 PM EDT
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The overall length is 51 inches barrel length is 33 inches to the opening in the receiver cleaning a ride is 29 inches https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/272434/IMG_20170809_184936573-276028.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/272434/IMG_20170809_185030548-276029.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/272434/IMG_20170809_185011687_HDR-276031.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/272434/IMG_20170809_185053828-276032.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/272434/IMG_20170809_185003170_HDR-276034.JPG I agree. $300. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 6:54:12 AM EDT
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It appears to be one piece stock
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Posted: 8/10/2017 4:00:24 PM EDT
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The guy is asking $100 for it he said it was same price he paid for it several years ago at an auction and was on his wall until he remoded. Then was just in his safe. He also said he has like 4 packs of ammo to go with it. So should I get it for that price?
Beside the handguard , Sight and barrel bands what is the difference between this 91 and a 91/30? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 5:15:28 PM EDT
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Fo on any Mosin being sold for the same price as 10 years ago.
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:03:07 PM EDT
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OP, did you have to ask, why haven't you got it yet?
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:04:32 PM EDT
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Don't get paid until Friday evening.
I should have it Monday |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:06:49 PM EDT
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The guy is asking $100 for it he said it was same price he paid for it several years ago at an auction and was on his wall until he remoded. Then was just in his safe. He also said he has like 4 packs of ammo to go with it. So should I get it for that price? Beside the handguard , Sight and barrel bands what is the difference between this 91 and a 91/30? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:22:23 PM EDT
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Does it use the same bayonet and sling as the 91/30?
Where could I possibly find the hand guard? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:27:16 PM EDT
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The bayonet is different, the original M91 bayonet is a lock ring bayonet
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:32:29 PM EDT
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Can you provide me with example?
Where can one fine one? |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:43:18 PM EDT
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You will pay close to $100 for a bayonet
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:57:23 PM EDT
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Is this a rare rifle? Just trying to understand why thing are so high. One can find 91/30 parts resonabme the bayonet runs about $30 and you say one for this is over 100
The barrel bands on ebay are about 60$ when the 91/30 run about 20$ |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 8:24:03 PM EDT
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Is this a rare rifle? Just trying to understand why thing are so high. One can find 91/30 parts resonabme the bayonet runs about $30 and you say one for this is over 100 The barrel bands on ebay are about 60$ when the 91/30 run about 20$ 91 parts are getting harder and harder to find as well. The parts are just not as plentiful, that is why they are higher. |
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Posted: 8/13/2017 5:50:27 PM EDT
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It's old. It was old in WW2. For $100 buy the goddamn thing and ask questions later.
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Posted: 8/13/2017 6:32:03 PM EDT
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I have a copy of my current c&r and $100 cash. Should see the guy tomorrow morning.
So if everything goes right I should have it tomorrow. Then Wednesday I am going to spend day cleaning it up. While this will fit in my collection quite nice. I am waiting another c&r handgun. I am debating about keeping it or trying to trade it for a c&r handgun. What should I do??? |
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Posted: 8/13/2017 8:36:09 PM EDT
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I'll pay you that plus shipping to my FFL.
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Posted: 8/14/2017 11:17:22 AM EDT
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I'll pay you that plus shipping to my FFL.
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Posted: 8/14/2017 11:54:25 AM EDT
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I have a copy of my current c&r and $100 cash. Should see the guy tomorrow morning. So if everything goes right I should have it tomorrow. Then Wednesday I am going to spend day cleaning it up. While this will fit in my collection quite nice. I am waiting another c&r handgun. I am debating about keeping it or trying to trade it for a c&r handgun. What should I do??? But this actual gun was built in the 19th century for the Imperial Russian Army. It may well have served in the Russo-Japanese War, to say nothing of WWI, the Russian Civil War, and WWII. In my mind, a rifle that was built for an ancient monarchical Empire that no longer exists and is available that cheap is worth keeping around. What the point of C&R'ing if not for the history? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 12:14:58 PM EDT
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That is the the problem. I am having
This rifle fits great in my collection and I got it at a price I could afford. But I really want a 1895 nagant revolver, and don't have the extra cash right now to get one. This rifle might be able to get me one but then I don't know when I can find another m95 mosin. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 12:37:37 PM EDT
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That is the the problem. I am having This rifle fits great in my collection and I got it at a price I could afford. But I really want a 1895 nagant revolver, and don't have the extra cash right now to get one. This rifle might be able to get me one but then I don't know when I can find another m95 mosin. Don't create one hole in your collection to fill another. |
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Posted: 8/15/2017 2:04:12 PM EDT
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Can you provide me with example? Where can one fine one? * Note....Some 91/30 refurb bayonets, while numbered to the rifle were not fitted to the rifle.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:10:46 PM EDT
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I got the rifle home today and logged it in my c&r book. Then I started cleaning it. The rifle came out a lot better then I thought it would. The but plate came clean but has putting on it, some piiltting on the outside of the magazine well where it is in the rifle nothing unexpected. A few dark spots on the receiver. I didn't scrub to hard because I didn't want to remove what was left of the billing. Beside being beat up the wood is in good condition what I thought may have been a crack is a long scratch. The wood is dark around the neck of the stock from people holding it. The barrel bands screws are not stripped out and I was able to tighten them up some. I have to come up with some kind of shim to go between the band and the stock to hold them tight.
I can not be 100% sure but the receiver and barred doesn't appear to have been changed out. The fit between the two is very close and tight. The blue under the stock looks the same on the barrel and received. I can not find an important mark any place on the rifle. I also can't find a caliber marking on the rifle. I loaded 4 rounds of 7.62x54r and cycled it. It ejeced the rounds fine. Chambered them fine. The bullet will only go in 1/2 way into the muzzle I have not tried to see if it will set off a primer. I have to prime a few cases. The rifling looks fairly good from. What I can. See. Is there any place I can look. For import and caliber marking? If no import marks are on it, does that do anything to The value? |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:15:32 PM EDT
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No import marks bumps the value a bit. Did you pull the receiver out? What is the receiver date on the underside of the rear tang?
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:30:17 PM EDT
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I did not see any date on the receiver. Where would it be at?
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:38:40 PM EDT
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On the underside of the rear tang.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 12:49:20 PM EDT
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Look closely at end of barrel near front site for a light import and caliber marking... Probably should be CAI, for Century Arms.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 1:56:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2017 1:57:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2017 1:59:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2017 2:02:23 PM EDT
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I could not find any date on the receiver but it looks like a witness mark on the receiver and barrel?
Can not find any important marks or caliber. In the above pictures is all the marks can find |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 2:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could not find any date on the receiver but it looks like a witness mark on the receiver and barrel?
Can not find any important marks or caliber. In the above pictures is all the marks can find  Attached File Attached FileCan't quite make out the second digit, but will be 189n, probably matches your early bbl date. Really nice buy for $100. If second digit is 1-8, you have a legal antique, can ship anywhere to anyone in the US via US mail. Caliber will be 7.62x54R, widely available, .30"-06 class round, still used worldwide in the Soviet/Russian PK/PKM machine gun. If you decide you don't want it and it's a legal antique, I'll pay you your purchase price, shipping, and $50 for your trouble. Someone else has already offered you $200, above. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 2:50:23 PM EDT
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If the barrel is 1895 and it has what looks to me as witness mark on the bottom of the barrel and receiver and the numbers on the receiver I am willing to bet that this is the original action for the barrel.
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Posted: 8/16/2017 3:28:00 PM EDT
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Just FYI, some old Mosins were converted to .30"-06 back in the day by reaming out the chamber. Bannerman did it right - not everyone did so. Yours is not a Bannerman conversion. Shoot w/ a string on your 1st shot, & check your case carefully, or try some Go/NoGo gauges.
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