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Posted: 11/13/2012 1:26:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/13/2012 1:28:48 AM EST by UNIT6639]
Is this the original stock or an M44 stock? What is the bolt looking thing by the grip area? My M44 stock does not have this bolt or whatever it is on the stock. I am guessing this is not the original stock as it has the cut out for the bayonet.

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 1:40:33 AM EST
It was common for the Soviets to put a M38 in a M44 stock. Yours is laminated. The bolt through the stock wrist was to reinforce the stock.
Starting in late 1943, the Soviets made only M44 stocks and so they were used for all their carbines.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 2:33:40 AM EST
recoil bolt
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:16:19 AM EST
Thanks guys, I didnt know the stock was laminated either.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 11:20:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By ksstargazer:
It was common for the Soviets to put a M38 in a M44 stock. Yours is laminated. The bolt through the stock wrist was to reinforce the stock.
Starting in late 1943, the Soviets made only M44 stocks and so they were used for all their carbines.


What he said.

Totally correct for the rifle and a nice example, I might add.

The laminate stock models usually command a little more than their hard wood counterparts.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 3:33:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 6:17:11 AM EST by Spaxspore]
Here is my 1942 m38 in its original Hardwood M38 stock..






Large laminations m44 stocks like the rifle pictured above was commonly used as Post War replacements during the refurbishment process.

Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of birch.. like my M44 below




It is uncommon to find a 1943/pr43 m38 in its orginal m38 stock, due to the harsh conditions these rifles faced.. usually the stock was the first to go. Even the m38 pictured above, has been repaired by splices in the nose.

Like it was mentioned earlier, m38 made late '43 -45 used for the most part existing m44 stocks.

So in conclusion, the stock is correct for a typical m38 that was refurbished post war. What year is your m38?
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 4:08:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/13/2012 4:10:05 PM EST by Clockwork138]

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).

Link Posted: 11/13/2012 4:30:09 PM EST
Nice carbines guys. I have an unusual M38. It is in the original M38 stock and is not counterbored. Most of the M38's I have seen are counterbored and in a M44 stock.
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 4:36:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By ksstargazer:
Nice carbines guys. I have an unusual M38. It is in the original M38 stock and is not counterbored. Most of the M38's I have seen are counterbored and in a M44 stock.


m38s in general had a much harder life than m44s. Due to there small size compared to 91/30s they saw alot of combat during the darkest days of the war for the Soviet Union.

The bore of my '38 is countered but is mirror.. the bore on my m44 is also countered and is vg+

Both have refurbs marks on the barrel shank.. you have a keeper if its m38 in its original stock and not countered...
Link Posted: 11/13/2012 9:49:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By ksstargazer:
Nice carbines guys. I have an unusual M38. It is in the original M38 stock and is not counterbored. Most of the M38's I have seen are counterbored and in a M44 stock.


I like mine, it is odd. It has the correct M38 stock, counter bored, with small x marks on all the parts that were check for referb just like Russian capture k98s. It also came with a East German blue sling, but has none of the common marks you would find on a East German Mosin.
Link Posted: 11/14/2012 12:45:19 PM EST
Not sure if you guys have seen it, but 7.62x54r.net has a Mosin Nagant rarity chart. I don't know how accurate it is but it certainly is interesting and should give you some idea as to how rear your particular Mosin Nagant is.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm

Link Posted: 11/14/2012 1:47:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/14/2012 1:47:40 PM EST by Spaxspore]
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Not sure if you guys have seen it, but 7.62x54r.net has a Mosin Nagant rarity chart. I don't know how accurate it is but it certainly is interesting and should give you some idea as to how rear your particular Mosin Nagant is.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm



its not very accurate any more, its a tool to get you pointed in the right direction... but dont treat it as gospel
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:18:16 PM EST
My M38 is a 1943, I had a ball shooting it today, I used a small fire extinguisher as a target, at 30 yards, I hit it 2 out of 5 shots, the exit wounds were silver dollar sized. I like this thing more and more everytime I take it out.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 2:30:16 PM EST
a toast to M38 fans occurring on this end right now.....nice pieces.
Link Posted: 11/17/2012 5:11:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By UNIT6639:
My M38 is a 1943, I had a ball shooting it today, I used a small fire extinguisher as a target, at 30 yards, I hit it 2 out of 5 shots, the exit wounds were silver dollar sized. I like this thing more and more everytime I take it out.


91/30 and Hungarian LB (Steel core) vs. a 1/4" chunk of IBeam.

It also penetrated the rail road tie behind the IBeam.


Link Posted: 11/17/2012 7:09:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Originally Posted By UNIT6639:
My M38 is a 1943, I had a ball shooting it today, I used a small fire extinguisher as a target, at 30 yards, I hit it 2 out of 5 shots, the exit wounds were silver dollar sized. I like this thing more and more everytime I take it out.


91/30 and Hungarian LB (Steel core) vs. a 1/4" chunk of IBeam.

It also penetrated the rail road tie behind the IBeam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/tep0583/Ibeam.jpg


1/4"tell is no match for 54R, hell it'll damn near go through 3/4" mild steel.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 4:00:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By jnk556:
Originally Posted By tep0583:
Originally Posted By UNIT6639:
My M38 is a 1943, I had a ball shooting it today, I used a small fire extinguisher as a target, at 30 yards, I hit it 2 out of 5 shots, the exit wounds were silver dollar sized. I like this thing more and more everytime I take it out.


91/30 and Hungarian LB (Steel core) vs. a 1/4" chunk of IBeam.

It also penetrated the rail road tie behind the IBeam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/tep0583/Ibeam.jpg


1/4"tell is no match for 54R, hell it'll damn near go through 3/4" mild steel.



Well......obviously.



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Link Posted: 11/18/2012 4:24:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Jakeangst1/ym44.jpg


That's not laminated. It's birch.

The wartime laminate stocks look a lot like German k98 laminate beech stocks. You will be able to see perfectly parallel stripes about 1/8" apart when looking from above. It's super obvious once you've seen it.
Link Posted: 11/18/2012 11:41:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Jakeangst1/ym44.jpg



That's not laminated. It's birch.

The wartime laminate stocks look a lot like German k98 laminate beech stocks. You will be able to see perfectly parallel stripes about 1/8" apart when looking from above. It's super obvious once you've seen it.


Sorry, i meant birch, but if we are still talking about my m44. It is in fact laminate..







forgive the pics, shitty light.. but it proves my point.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 1:10:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 1:15:07 AM EST by SrBenelli]
My '41 M-38 in an "M-38" hardwood stock....






......... which is kinda' odd, because it's a "refurb", the stock is post war (note the "takedown detents" bedinf the rear band), but it's a true m-38 stock, not an M-44???
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 1:18:12 AM EST
....might as well show my M-44 too!

Link Posted: 11/21/2012 3:56:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Jakeangst1/ym44.jpg



That's not laminated. It's birch.

The wartime laminate stocks look a lot like German k98 laminate beech stocks. You will be able to see perfectly parallel stripes about 1/8" apart when looking from above. It's super obvious once you've seen it.


Sorry, i meant birch, but if we are still talking about my m44. It is in fact laminate..

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197983776_b68287e396_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8479/8197983012_8e2fcccc33_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8057/8197982346_7d75cfc577.jpg

forgive the pics, shitty light.. but it proves my point.


Well, shoot, you're right. That first pic in your other post is the same gun? Really looks like a solid birch stock there. Thanks for the additional pics –– that is indeed a wartime laminated stock.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:09:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 6:12:42 AM EST by Spaxspore]
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Jakeangst1/ym44.jpg




That's not laminated. It's birch.

The wartime laminate stocks look a lot like German k98 laminate beech stocks. You will be able to see perfectly parallel stripes about 1/8" apart when looking from above. It's super obvious once you've seen it.


Sorry, i meant birch, but if we are still talking about my m44. It is in fact laminate..

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197983776_b68287e396_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8479/8197983012_8e2fcccc33_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8057/8197982346_7d75cfc577.jpg

forgive the pics, shitty light.. but it proves my point.


Well, shoot, you're right. That first pic in your other post is the same gun? Really looks like a solid birch stock there. Thanks for the additional pics –– that is indeed a wartime laminated stock.


If we are talking about the m44, yep its the same rifle... I ordered a Laminated M44 from SOG this past January when they had a very small lot of them.. took this out of the box.. beautiful rifle... but wait its hardwood.. about to pick up the phone than i noticed it was infact laminated.





Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:24:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Originally Posted By skywarp989:
Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

Originally Posted By Spaxspore:
Wartime Laminated stocks for the most part had smaller laminations and were made out of beech

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8176617189_84c3ea0603_b.jpg




I've had a wartime laminate M44 for seven years now and didn't realize it. I always assumed it was hardwood since it didn't have the prominent laminate characteristics like the one the OP has(beautiful rifle, BTW).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Jakeangst1/ym44.jpg




That's not laminated. It's birch.

The wartime laminate stocks look a lot like German k98 laminate beech stocks. You will be able to see perfectly parallel stripes about 1/8" apart when looking from above. It's super obvious once you've seen it.


Sorry, i meant birch, but if we are still talking about my m44. It is in fact laminate..

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8197983776_b68287e396_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8479/8197983012_8e2fcccc33_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8057/8197982346_7d75cfc577.jpg

forgive the pics, shitty light.. but it proves my point.


Well, shoot, you're right. That first pic in your other post is the same gun? Really looks like a solid birch stock there. Thanks for the additional pics –– that is indeed a wartime laminated stock.


If we are talking about the m44, yep its the same rifle... I ordered a Laminated M44 from SOG this past January when they had a very small lot of them.. took this out of the box.. beautiful rifle... but wait its hardwood.. about to pick up the phone than i noticed it was infact laminated.


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8176617847_8e01b218ab_b.jpg




Oh, I see the confusion now. I was talking about Clockwork's picture above, not yours. His is a hardwood stock.
Link Posted: 11/21/2012 6:25:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2012 6:26:12 AM EST by Spaxspore]


Oh yea he is below me... yea it looks hardwood
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