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Posted: 8/9/2004 11:57:52 AM EDT
Thinking about a Guide Gun for a possible future bear hunt.  What are the pros and cons of the 45-70 versus the .450 caliber?

Link Posted: 8/9/2004 12:05:46 PM EDT
The .450 is higher powered in all "normal" factory loadings.  Most .45-70 is loaded to black powder pressure levels to some clown doesn't blow up his trapdoor Springfield.

If you go to the custom loaders, such as Garrett, the .45-70 is equal or exceeds the .450 Marlin.

I'd say go .45-70, for ammo availability and versatility reasons.
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 12:08:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 12:09:02 PM EDT
The 45-70 will blow a huge hole through anything in North America.  It's the original, it's infamous, it's the ultimate all American meat cannon.  The 45-70 also has a variety of tasty recipes for the reloading enthusiast.

When bears have nightmares, it almost always involves a 45-70.
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 12:19:00 PM EDT
+1 on .45-70.  Got two 1895G ported guide guns.  Love em.  Get some!
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 1:56:07 PM EDT
.45-70 is easier to find.
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 8:32:11 PM EDT
45-70 is like 45ACP and 30-06; they are all-American and you can never go wrong.
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 9:52:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Agreed.  Gotta luv the Guide Gun!
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 9:58:49 PM EDT
450 Marlin is the 45-70 grown up.
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 10:03:38 PM EDT
Mmm, Garret 530s. just the thought gives me a woody
Link Posted: 8/10/2004 3:03:17 AM EDT
Stay with the standard -- .45-70.

I'll echo reloading for the .45-70. You can crank out better ammunition and at a fraction of the cost of factory.
Link Posted: 8/10/2004 8:45:56 PM EDT
If you only use factory ammo; go to Cheaper than Dirt and Midway's web sites and see how many different loads they have for 45-70 and then do the same for 450 Marlin.  They have 8-9 different loads for 45-70 and only 1 for 450 Marlin.  

If you reload; look up the level you can load the 45-70 for use in a 1895 Marlin.  You can load it to do anything the 450 Marlin can do or load it down to a level that a person can stand to shoot all day long.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:14:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:27:03 AM EDT
Here in Alaska and on the North Slope where we have those big white bears a 45-70 works just fine.  You can load them either up or down as you wish.  There are several good factory loads out there that take care of buseness the right way.  Also go to wildwest guns and check out their co-pilot rigle in .457mag.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:31:09 AM EDT
I shot my 45-70 again the other day...

I swear, that gun is absolutely amazing.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 2:42:56 AM EDT
45/70, anything else would be uncivilized.

Great all-purpose round.  Been considering an 1895 myself, mainly for deer.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 5:50:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hokie:
I shot my 45-70 again the other day...

I swear, that gun is absolutely amazing.

oh yeah, 45-70

have you tried the 500 grain slugs yet?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 7:55:11 AM EDT
lol I haven't, but it's on the agenda!  Truth be told, I'm a little nervous
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 8:03:26 AM EDT
i found a hammer spur thingey for it for when you put a scope on it

i guess you cannot use the hammer so this thing bolts on to it so you ca nreach it...

want it
im mailing directions
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 8:07:03 AM EDT
That'd be sweet!  I'll IM you mailing directions...thanks!
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