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Posted: 6/10/2009 2:45:29 PM EST
This is for last resort! As components become scarce and expensive this is a way to make primers when the store shelves are bare. WARNING! this is not 100% reliable. This video is to demonstrate that where there is a will there is a way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jxpLH8FtY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p1Xv6eDFjo&feature=related
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 3:13:23 PM EST
I knew there was a reason I started saving these
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 4:01:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
I knew there was a reason I started saving these
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/402/forsale050.jpg


...bout how long ya think it would take ya to refill those?
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 4:20:31 PM EST
I'm a Wideners watcher. They have primers in stock almost continuously for muzzle loaders, shotgun shells, etc. Would it not be better to reclaim the primer stuff from those, reconstitute it as a paste and refill the spent rifle or pistol primer hulls after refurbishing, rather than scraping material from matches? Maybe this is something you don't want to batch process in your basement.
Link Posted: 6/10/2009 5:22:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By FLATFOOT762:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
I knew there was a reason I started saving these
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/402/forsale050.jpg


...bout how long ya think it would take ya to refill those?


Not long at all


Link Posted: 6/10/2009 5:36:25 PM EST
You like making people drool don`t you?
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:22:12 AM EST
What's to drool about?

Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:32:08 AM EST
75k primers!
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 7:49:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By CCW:
I'm a Wideners watcher. They have primers in stock almost continuously for muzzle loaders, shotgun shells, etc. Would it not be better to reclaim the primer stuff from those, reconstitute it as a paste and refill the spent rifle or pistol primer hulls after refurbishing, rather than scraping material from matches? Maybe this is something you don't want to batch process in your basement.


I agree that this would come before scraping match heads.

The thing is, even the supply of shotshell primers would dry up quickly. Then again, where the heck are we going to get all those matches to make the millions of primers we are using?
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 11:15:51 AM EST
I think the above two slides explain alot about what has happened to the hobby. It is not just noobies entering the hobby. It is speculators and .............................. This thread needs to be bumped to the top every day.
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 1:31:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By CCW:
I think the above two slides explain alot about what has happened to the hobby. It is not just noobies entering the hobby. It is speculators and .............................. This thread needs to be bumped to the top every day.


Just so you know those are for me to make ammo for myself. The last run You can have all the fun you want with my toes too I made sure they where in the pic.



Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:07:47 PM EST
You sir...disgust me.
Oh BTW..I am thoroughly enjoying your photos. Ummm...well...I won`t comment on the toe thing.
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:19:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/11/2009 5:23:35 PM EST by HK_Shooter_03]

Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By CCW:
I think the above two slides explain alot about what has happened to the hobby. It is not just noobies entering the hobby. It is speculators and .............................. This thread needs to be bumped to the top every day.


Just so you know those are for me to make ammo for myself. The last run You can have all the fun you want with my toes too I made sure they where in the pic.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2314/dillon021.jpg



I was working my way up to ammo whoredom but I ran out of money.










Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:19:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By Xringlover:
You sir...disgust me.
Oh BTW..I am thoroughly enjoying your photos. Ummm...well...I won`t comment on the toe thing.


Thanks I needed that
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:20:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By HK_Shooter_03:

Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By CCW:
I think the above two slides explain alot about what has happened to the hobby. It is not just noobies entering the hobby. It is speculators and .............................. This thread needs to be bumped to the top every day.


Just so you know those are for me to make ammo for myself. The last run You can have all the fun you want with my toes too I made sure they where in the pic.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2314/dillon021.jpg



I was working my way up to ammo whoredom but I ran out of money.



http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/DyNo541/DSC00202.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/DyNo541/DSC00198.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/DyNo541/DSC00232.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/DyNo541/DSC00224.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k274/DyNo541/DSCF3350.jpg



NICE

Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:29:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 5:32:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Xringlover:
You sir...disgust me.
Oh BTW..I am thoroughly enjoying your photos. Ummm...well...I won`t comment on the toe thing.


I will. What the hell? lol
Link Posted: 6/11/2009 7:37:04 PM EST
I saw these videos awhile back, and did a search weeks later and couldn't find it again. I have to wonder if regular caps like kids play with in cap guns would work better, the red long strips or the round ring type, get ready for a run on those too now
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 7:43:12 AM EST
We need to get Dr. _J in here to tell us how to do it, using reclaimed muzzle loader caps, etc.

There is a movie online somewhere that shows the primer production shop in action at the Lake City plant. It looks like there is some manual labor involved which initially was a surprise to me.
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 10:17:11 AM EST
Did you see the other thread about the CCI #41 misfires.

Here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=282516
Link Posted: 6/12/2009 11:54:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/12/2009 11:55:35 AM EST by SPTiger]
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By FLATFOOT762:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
I knew there was a reason I started saving these
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/402/forsale050.jpg


...bout how long ya think it would take ya to refill those?


Not long at all
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/438/dillon001.jpg" />



I hate you.

Link Posted: 6/12/2009 5:13:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By SPTiger:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By FLATFOOT762:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
I knew there was a reason I started saving these
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/402/forsale050.jpg


...bout how long ya think it would take ya to refill those?


Not long at all
http://<a href=http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/438/dillon001.jpg</a>" />



I hate you.



I know , but your young you'll get over it

Link Posted: 6/12/2009 6:27:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By CCW:
We need to get Dr. _J in here to tell us how to do it, using reclaimed muzzle loader caps, etc.

There is a movie online somewhere that shows the primer production shop in action at the Lake City plant. It looks like there is some manual labor involved which initially was a surprise to me.


How are primers made? (third article down)

http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/primer_variance.html

Aloha, Mark



Link Posted: 6/12/2009 6:31:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By CCW:
I'm a Wideners watcher. They have primers in stock almost continuously for muzzle loaders, shotgun shells, etc. Would it not be better to reclaim the primer stuff from those, reconstitute it as a paste and refill the spent rifle or pistol primer hulls after refurbishing, rather than scraping material from matches? Maybe this is something you don't want to batch process in your basement.


Try this paste............

Q: There was a member on here that described this very process last year some time. I forget who it was but he also mentioned that you want to mix alcohol with the match head scrape to form a paste for your homemade priming compound.


A: Use nitrocellulose lacquer instead. Make your own with waste powder and acetone. 25 grains of any powder to 1 fl ounce of acetone. Varget/H322/Benchmark are the better powders as they have less graphite. N310-350 family also work well.

Just add enough to make the crushed match heads into a stiff paste.

Posted By Keith_J (AR15.com)



BTW............I haven't tried this.............so, you're on your own.

Aloha, Mark

Link Posted: 6/12/2009 7:16:47 PM EST
Mark,
Thanks for the info. I knew Keith _J had described that somewhere but could not find it. I suppose the challenge will be to remove the lead styphnate / glass frit matrix from the unused shotshell and/or muzzle loader caps without detonation. I'm curious what the wetting agent is in the original mix to give it that dough or paste consistency? It seems from the LC plant video that the material is less sensitive in the plyable condition before it dries. Or, is the drying process creating an irreversible chemical reaction?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 10:56:31 AM EST
WOW some of you have too much stuff. hahha
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 3:53:51 PM EST
Wideners has plenty of primers in stock. It is just not in the configuration that I need. So, the challenge is to get it from one configuration to another more useable form....without blowing up the garage of course.

Product Name Inventory Status Add to Cart
CCI209 Standard ShotShell Primers $36.00 / 1000 IN STOCK Log In
CCI209M Magnum Shotshell Primers $36.00 per 1000 IN STOCK Log In
CCI35 50BMG primers $129.00 per 500 OUT OF STOCK Log In
CCI Percussion Caps #10 $39.00 per 1000 IN STOCK Log In
CCI Percussion caps #11 standard $39.00 per 1000 IN STOCK Log In
CCI Magnum Percussion caps #11 $39.00 per 1000 IN STOCK Log In


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 10:12:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 10:21:21 AM EST by CCW]
Well, I detonated my first primers last night whilst inserting Wolf LRs in my just finished LC 1X 7mm-08 cases. Not such a big deal on the RCBS press, but the first one did startle. The second one was with my 30 NR earmuffs on, so not so bad.

OK, my bad. I had tried to circumvent the swaging process, to save some time by using the primer pocket uniformer and touching up the residual crimp ring with the deburring tool = FAIL. After running all the cases back through the swaging process, no more PPDs (premature primer detonation).

So, primers are still on my mind. Question: Desenstizing existing new primers to permit safe handling [edit, including disassembly and modification], but not destroying the properties permanently. How to do it? Does anyone have any data on the effect of super cooling, say with LN2 = minus 374F?

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 3:50:25 PM EST
On the subject of reloading primers.

To those who are seriously thinking about this... What you say if I asked you to
disemble a blasting cap, and use the "Proceeds" to assemble a few primers?

Would you even consider doing this?

The compound in primers is a primary explosive, in fact it is used in blasting caps.

A primary explosive is an explosive that is extremely sensitive to stimuli
such as impact, friction, heat, or electrostatic sources of initiation (static electricity)

There is no way to make it "Safe to Handle" and the amount Necessary remove your hand
is very small. (Think 1 or 2 grams, about the size of a Pencil eraser)

In this day, post 911, the ATFE takes this stuff seriously. (manufacturing Explosives)
and they will get you, right after you get out of the Emergency room. (if you are lucky)









.





Link Posted: 6/15/2009 6:19:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By codesmith:
On the subject of reloading primers.

To those who are seriously thinking about this... What you say if I asked you to
disemble a blasting cap, and use the "Proceeds" to assemble a few primers?

Would you even consider doing this?

The compound in primers is a primary explosive, in fact it is used in blasting caps.

A primary explosive is an explosive that is extremely sensitive to stimuli
such as impact, friction, heat, or electrostatic sources of initiation (static electricity)

There is no way to make it "Safe to Handle" and the amount Necessary remove your hand
is very small. (Think 1 or 2 grams, about the size of a Pencil eraser)

In this day, post 911, the ATFE takes this stuff seriously. (manufacturing Explosives)
and they will get you, right after you get out of the Emergency room. (if you are lucky)





Good point, codesmith. That is the reason I need to temporarily make the feed stock become inert. I do not want to blow things up, nor do I want to work with blasting detonators. I think their recipe is slightly different, anyway they have a different UN material number.

If I were to do experiment with this, it would be under very controlled conditions and with small quantity. I am thinking of a polycarbonate shielded hood to work in. I do not want to lose my house insurance covereage so I would abide by the SAAMI advisory pamphlet and the NFPA 495 Code. See here: http://www.saami.org/Publications/201.pdf.

In fact, after reviewing these data, I wonder if the hoarder, speculator, repackager, resellers know how close they are coming to losing their home owners insurance?

Of course the kids cannot be trusted to do this in a safe manner, so it needs to be a cloaked private operation, if any operation at all.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:54:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By CCW:
Originally Posted By codesmith:
On the subject of reloading primers.

To those who are seriously thinking about this... What you say if I asked you to
disemble a blasting cap, and use the "Proceeds" to assemble a few primers?

Would you even consider doing this?

The compound in primers is a primary explosive, in fact it is used in blasting caps.

A primary explosive is an explosive that is extremely sensitive to stimuli
such as impact, friction, heat, or electrostatic sources of initiation (static electricity)

There is no way to make it "Safe to Handle" and the amount Necessary remove your hand
is very small. (Think 1 or 2 grams, about the size of a Pencil eraser)

In this day, post 911, the ATFE takes this stuff seriously. (manufacturing Explosives)
and they will get you, right after you get out of the Emergency room. (if you are lucky)





Good point, codesmith. That is the reason I need to temporarily make the feed stock become inert. I do not want to blow things up, nor do I want to work with blasting detonators. I think their recipe is slightly different, anyway they have a different UN material number.

The UN number has nothing to do with it. The main compound in primers is a primary explosive.
you say you would work under controled conditions and with small amounts Do you have the
proper equiptment? What do you consider a small amount? consider the fact that 6-12 grains
will detonate straight 40% Dynamite. The speed Detonation of Lead styphnate is 4900 meters
per second. Notice I said Detonation (laymans terms it explodes it does not burn)


If I were to do experiment with this, it would be under very controlled conditions and with small quantity.

See above

I am thinking of a polycarbonate shielded hood to work in.

How do you invision this shield will protect you? your hands will still be in contact with
the compound. The priming compound has things like ground glass in it for friction,
how will you deal with this?

lets fast forward, and assume that you succeed and now you have a few "reloaded primers"
how sensitive are they? will they go off if you drop a round loaded with one of your "reloads"?
how do you know? will they cause your gun to slam fire? will it go off if you drop/bump
the gun? how do you know?




I do not want to lose my house insurance covereage so I would abide by the SAAMI advisory pamphlet and the NFPA 495 Code. See here: http://www.saami.org/Publications/201.pdf.

In fact, after reviewing these data, I wonder if the hoarder, speculator, repackager, resellers know how close they are coming to losing their home owners insurance?

Of course the kids cannot be trusted to do this in a safe manner, so it needs to be a cloaked private operation, if any operation at all.



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