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Posted: 8/7/2009 7:38:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2009 8:00:52 AM EDT
whole guns?  barrels and bolts?
Link Posted: 8/7/2009 8:31:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2009 8:33:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2009 9:56:47 AM EDT
What chamber(updated?) and what twist?
Link Posted: 8/7/2009 10:01:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By brazos609:
What chamber(updated?) and what twist?


+100

Link Posted: 8/8/2009 5:01:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 6:40:10 AM EDT
Will the 6.8's take PRI mags?  Please... I already bought 5 of them anticipating the 6.8
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:02:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:07:34 AM EDT
Will there be left hand bolts?
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:15:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:51:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MSARDave:
Originally Posted By gspam1:
Originally Posted By brazos609:
What chamber(updated?) and what twist?


+100



I believe they call it the Spec 2 with 1/11.  I will have to get back to this one but I think this is right.


You have my attention  
Will it be rated for the SSA combat loads?

Any idea on price?


Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:53:35 AM EDT
Dave

I won't buy a complete rifle (as I just picked up an E4...I'm the guy who you've been helping through the LRBHO issue) but if you are "gauging interest" consider me interested.

http://i30.tinypic.com/245c6t2.jpg

I will ABSOLUTELY buy a bolt/barrel combo in 6.8 SPC.  I have an AR build of mine in 6.8 that I'm fond of.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2w6ap8w.jpg


AeroPrecision Multi-caliber lower
Stag/CMT M4 upper
Badger Gen II TacLatch
RRA 2-stage NM trigger
VLTOR stock
WOA 18" SS SPR profile barrel and bolt
PWS FSC30 flash hider / comp
YHM front sight
Brownells HK-type rear sight
ERGO grip
Magpul triggerguard
MI low profile gas block
YHM FF rifle-length quad rail handguard
MI sling mounts
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 7:55:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2009 7:55:59 AM EDT by MSARDave]
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 8:13:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iamkris:
........

I will ABSOLUTELY buy a bolt/barrel combo in 6.8 SPC.  I have an AR build of mine in 6.8 that I'm fond of.




AeroPrecision Multi-caliber lower
Stag/CMT M4 upper
Badger Gen II TacLatch
RRA 2-stage NM trigger
VLTOR stock
WOA 18" SS SPR profile barrel and bolt
PWS FSC30 flash hider / comp
YHM front sight
Brownells HK-type rear sight
ERGO grip
Magpul triggerguard
MI low profile gas block
YHM FF rifle-length quad rail handguard
MI sling mounts


I know this is a bullpup thread, but that is ONE NICE LOOKING AR!!!
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 10:48:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/8/2009 10:50:36 AM EDT by SilentType]


6.8 SPC is a nasty little round. Look at that fragmentation early into the gel.  That's what you want for home defense. Bad guy zero home owner 1 after he encounters 6.8SPC from your short OAL STGE4.  

If only the U.S. Military would adopt it and move away from 5.56x45mm we could probably purchase it cheaper since more of it would be made. Unfortunately hell will most likely freeze over as pig fly above it before DOD changes the standard service caliber. Right now it's just pricey to shoot a lot of.



Link Posted: 8/8/2009 12:19:37 PM EDT
Nice job MSAR with the 6.8!  Looks like you did your homework deciding to use the best performance specs, SPC II and 1:11. The word is out on 68forums.com already about your MSAR 6.8.
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 1:32:24 PM EDT
Any pics of the 6.8s:  rifle, target groups...?

Four, five, or six groove rifling?  

Muzzle thread spec?
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 1:33:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 1:34:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 6:21:28 PM EDT
I am in and will call in an order. 20 inch barrel??  This length will be needed for this caliber.
Link Posted: 8/8/2009 6:49:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Counselor:
I am in and will call in an order. 20 inch barrel??  This length will be needed for this caliber.


Why? 6.8 gains very little with a 20" barrel Vs a 16"
Link Posted: 8/9/2009 9:38:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/9/2009 9:38:59 AM EDT by Talyn]
Originally Posted By TURRICAN:
Originally Posted By Counselor:
I am in and will call in an order. 20 inch barrel??  This length will be needed for this caliber.


Why? 6.8 gains very little with a 20" barrel Vs a 16"


In the more powerful loads a 20" makes a more noticeable difference.

Link Posted: 8/9/2009 12:42:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Talyn:
Originally Posted By TURRICAN:
Originally Posted By Counselor:
I am in and will call in an order. 20 inch barrel??  This length will be needed for this caliber.


Why? 6.8 gains very little with a 20" barrel Vs a 16"


In the more powerful loads a 20" makes a more noticeable difference.



There will always be gains, but for 6.8 there's very little reason to go above 16".

Link Posted: 8/9/2009 12:44:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/9/2009 1:03:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cold:
Originally Posted By THellURider:
Originally Posted By Talyn:
Originally Posted By TURRICAN:
Originally Posted By Counselor:
I am in and will call in an order. 20 inch barrel??  This length will be needed for this caliber.


Why? 6.8 gains very little with a 20" barrel Vs a 16"


In the more powerful loads a 20" makes a more noticeable difference.



There will always be gains, but for 6.8 there's very little reason to go above 16".





Actually theres very little gain beyond 14.5" for most loads.


My point indeed. The 6.8 was developed to be fired from short barrels anyhow, 12.5 if I'm not mistaken.
Link Posted: 8/9/2009 6:30:10 PM EDT
I hope these 100 sell out quick so these will be in production for a while.
Link Posted: 8/24/2009 10:41:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2009 10:41:33 AM EDT by DerekCB]
Interesting.  I'd love to see a 6.8 bullpup.  Hell, any new guns in 6.8!
Link Posted: 8/27/2009 5:00:34 AM EDT
Any word on these ?  Still waiting on a price from Rat Worx.
Link Posted: 8/27/2009 5:15:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2009 5:55:55 PM EDT
Are these E4 only or will they work with the older generations as well?  Will these work with the A3?
Link Posted: 9/8/2009 11:20:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2009 11:22:23 PM EDT by retgarr]
I really hope interest is gauged at "High". I can't afford one yet but this is the rifle I've been dreaming about for a while now!



Also I doubt that you are an actual firearms company as you previously said this rifle would be out around the end of the summer and here it is. We all know real firearms manufacturers don't bring products out on time.

Link Posted: 9/9/2009 5:18:46 AM EDT
I won't have the scratch to buy one until Jan or Feb of next year but will definitely get one then.  I have converted all my AR's over to 6.8 as well as my XCR and NEED an E4 in 6.8 to complete my dream.  I truely hope there will be more then this first run of E4's in 6.8 SPC.

MSARDave: can you give us an update???

MadDog
Link Posted: 9/9/2009 2:32:12 PM EDT
BUMP
I am on the Ratworx waiting list
how much longer
Link Posted: 10/2/2009 9:56:37 AM EDT
Any updates?  Interested.
Link Posted: 10/3/2009 9:11:53 AM EDT
our first set of barrels for all conversions will be arriving very soon, this coming week if im not mistaken
Link Posted: 10/29/2009 12:28:07 PM EDT
Any pics of them? I know I know they will look the same but still I wanna see lol. I really really want one but will have to wait on pricing, probably won't be able to get it until after school ends, but what it'd be one hell of a graduation present to myself. I only have 1 AR and it's a 6.8, love that cartridge.
Link Posted: 10/29/2009 8:31:30 PM EDT
6.8 SPC is an awesome caliber.

Just wish it was as cheap as I can get .223 for.

Link Posted: 11/1/2009 7:43:17 AM EDT
Please advise that the new 6.8s will be at the current reduced  MSAR price.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 3:39:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rizzo5586:
our first set of barrels for all conversions will be arriving very soon, this coming week if im not mistaken


Please keep us updated as I plan to convert mine over to 6.8 as soon as the parts are available.
Link Posted: 11/1/2009 4:06:23 PM EDT
From Wkipedia:

The 6.8 mm Remington SPC was designed to perform better in short barreled CQB rifles after diminished performance from the 5.56 NATO when the AR15 was changed from the rifle configuration to the current M4 carbine. The 6.8 SPC delivers 44% greater energy than the 5.56 mm NATO (M4 configuration) at 100-300 meters.

The 6.8mm SPC is ballistically inferior to the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge; however, it has far less recoil, is considerably more controllable in rapid fire, and much lighter, allowing operators to carry more ammunition than would otherwise be possible with the larger caliber round. The 6.8 mm generates around 1,759 ft·lbf (2385 J) of muzzle energy with a 115 grain bullet.

In comparison, the 5.56x45mm round (which the 6.8 is designed to replace) generates around 1325 ft-lbf (1,796 J) with a 63 grain bullet, giving the 6.8mm a terminal ballistic advantage over the 5.56mm of 434 ft-Ibf (or 589 J). In recent developments (the period 2004-2008) the performance of the 6.8SPC has been increased by approximately 200 ft/s by the work of one ammo manufacturer and a few custom rifle builders using the correct chamber and barrel specifications.

The velocities obtained now from an 8" barrel are equal to what a 16" barrel was producing 4 years ago and the 16" barrel velocities are equal to what a 24" barrel produced 4 years ago using the data below.

By increasing the velocity of the ammo 200 ft/s the range of terminal effectiveness has been increased approximately 100 yards or an 8" barrel now has the same effective range as a 16" barrel had in 2004 as the 6.8 loses apx 25ft/s/inch. -SSA website and 6.8 Performance test verified[9].

It should be noted that there are 2 standardized, but different, chambers for the 6.8 SPC which yield different results. Only the rifles chambered with the newer specified chamber and the slower barreling twist rate can safely use the higher powered/higher pressure ammunition. All other rifles should only be used with the standard cartridge pressure loadings.

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Link Posted: 11/19/2009 9:38:56 AM EDT
I called Ratworx; they said they were taking names but not orders...
Link Posted: 11/19/2009 10:32:49 AM EDT
sigh––
yes
still waiting
Link Posted: 12/7/2009 9:18:17 AM EDT
BTT in the hopes that it will draw a status report and some interest.  I need this new caliber to start loading for.
Link Posted: 12/7/2009 10:14:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/7/2009 10:14:22 PM EDT by loonybin]
Holy cow, how did I miss this?  A lefty bullpup?  In my favorite caliber?  It would end up being my home defense rifle, and I'd even let my son use it for his hunting rifle, as it looks like it would be more manageable for a 10y.o. than my 18" barrel AR that I currently use.  Any idea on the price?
Link Posted: 12/8/2009 1:30:56 PM EDT
Love the 6.8 SPC and do not have a MSAR.  You definitely have my attention.
Link Posted: 12/18/2009 4:41:21 AM EDT
Bump for an update on the 6.8's... do you not have enough orders yet to do the first run, or is the move holding them up?
Link Posted: 12/18/2009 6:55:52 PM EDT
Please note, MSAR is currently experiencing a cranial-rectal inversion at this time.  This applies to the 6.8 project, the 7.62 project, and the MCS project.  Please give them some time (I'm thinking a year or two) to get these matters sorted out.
Link Posted: 12/18/2009 7:16:16 PM EDT
Ask Harrison over at AR Performance what he's getting with a 20", I think you'd be impressed. I've got a 16" recon coming from him soon. Still, I think the MSAR in the 16' is the way to go, seeing as you can take full better advantage of what the bullpup system offers. I would honestly love to have a 10.5 or 12.5 inch SBR in that rifle. There are guys taking deer at remarkable distances with the correct specs in the 10.5 inch 6.8.
Link Posted: 12/19/2009 2:46:09 AM EDT
I'm guessing that this is just another case of where all the gun companys go quiet before Shot SHow.  Then they'll show off and hype all their new stuff that they promise will be out in the next year and then leave us to wait paitentatly while they try and figure out how to put it into production.  I for one am getting sick and tired of the over promising and under delivering by these companies and MSAR is no different and steadily creeping up to the top of my list.
Link Posted: 12/31/2009 10:57:03 AM EDT
BTT for status report from MSAR....Don't let those barrels that are mentioned in the messages above not find a home.
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