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Link Posted: 8/29/2022 1:04:37 AM EDT
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Goddamn it. Tan, 11.5 and lighter than the old chonky virtus? I think i'm finally hopping on the MCX train.
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Link Posted: 8/29/2022 8:21:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JsbsMarine:
Goddamn it. Tan, 11.5 and lighter than the old chonky virtus? I think i'm finally hopping on the MCX train.
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Please don't use Gods name like that.

I have an 11.5 Virtus. I changed out the rail to a midwest.  Lightens and slims it up quite a bit.  I don't mind keeping the barrel to be med weight
Link Posted: 8/29/2022 11:25:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541:
Please don't use Gods name like that.

I have an 11.5 Virtus. I changed out the rail to a midwest.  Lightens and slims it up quite a bit.  I don't mind keeping the barrel to be med weight
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Speaking of lightening up...

But yeah, so imagine changing the rail AND having a lighter barrel.
Link Posted: 8/29/2022 11:56:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
Speaking of lightening up...

But yeah, so imagine changing the rail AND having a lighter barrel.
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541:
Please don't use Gods name like that.

I have an 11.5 Virtus. I changed out the rail to a midwest.  Lightens and slims it up quite a bit.  I don't mind keeping the barrel to be med weight
Speaking of lightening up...

But yeah, so imagine changing the rail AND having a lighter barrel.


Upper receiver seems to have been put on a diet as well. The Midwest Industries handguard doesn't really lighten it up much at all.

Genuinely looking forward to this one, will have to part ways with stuff to free up funds.
Link Posted: 8/30/2022 10:37:37 PM EDT
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I prefer the thicc virtus barrel.
LW barrels are gross.
Rest of the gun looks neat.
Link Posted: 8/31/2022 12:02:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
I prefer the thicc virtus barrel.
LW barrels are gross.
Rest of the gun looks neat.
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Did we just become best friends?
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 10:52:00 AM EDT
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I hope that the Generation 3 MCX will not have separate lines like the Virtus and Rattler.

That way we can get an MCX with a 5.5 inch 300BLK barrel, and then change out that barrel for a 9 inch 300BLK or 16 inch 5.56mm one.  Or maybe even something longer like a 18 inch 6mm ARC barrel!

Now THAT might be worth upgrading for (to some).
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 1:08:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142:
I hope that the Generation 3 MCX will not have separate lines like the Virtus and Rattler.

That way we can get an MCX with a 5.5 inch 300BLK barrel, and then change out that barrel for a 9 inch 300BLK or 16 inch 5.56mm one.  Or maybe even something longer like a 18 inch 6mm ARC barrel!

Now THAT might be worth upgrading for (to some).
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Based on photos already released, there's a gen3 rattler and gen3 mcx.

Eta: i never understood the quick change barrel fetish anyway. It makes some sense for a department or unit purchase i guess.

But commercially, for practical use, if I want to switch calibers it's better to just have a separate upper with optics already zeroed.

Pulling the gun apart to switch barrels, then rezero the optic doesn't really strike me as particularly convenient or useful.


Link Posted: 9/2/2022 2:06:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
Based on photos already released, there's a gen3 rattler and gen3 mcx.

Eta: i never understood the quick change barrel fetish anyway. It makes some sense for a department or unit purchase i guess.

But commercially, for practical use, if I want to switch calibers it's better to just have a separate upper with optics already zeroed.

Pulling the gun apart to switch barrels, then rezero the optic doesn't really strike me as particularly convenient or useful.


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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
Originally Posted By Sniper3142:
I hope that the Generation 3 MCX will not have separate lines like the Virtus and Rattler.

That way we can get an MCX with a 5.5 inch 300BLK barrel, and then change out that barrel for a 9 inch 300BLK or 16 inch 5.56mm one.  Or maybe even something longer like a 18 inch 6mm ARC barrel!

Now THAT might be worth upgrading for (to some).
Based on photos already released, there's a gen3 rattler and gen3 mcx.

Eta: i never understood the quick change barrel fetish anyway. It makes some sense for a department or unit purchase i guess.

But commercially, for practical use, if I want to switch calibers it's better to just have a separate upper with optics already zeroed.

Pulling the gun apart to switch barrels, then rezero the optic doesn't really strike me as particularly convenient or useful.



If done well there's almost no downside. Ideally you end up with barrels that are easy for the aftermarket to make and then the possibilities are endless.
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 3:32:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:

If done well there's almost no downside. Ideally you end up with barrels that are easy for the aftermarket to make and then the possibilities are endless.
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By Daggertt:
Originally Posted By Sniper3142:
I hope that the Generation 3 MCX will not have separate lines like the Virtus and Rattler.

That way we can get an MCX with a 5.5 inch 300BLK barrel, and then change out that barrel for a 9 inch 300BLK or 16 inch 5.56mm one.  Or maybe even something longer like a 18 inch 6mm ARC barrel!

Now THAT might be worth upgrading for (to some).
Based on photos already released, there's a gen3 rattler and gen3 mcx.

Eta: i never understood the quick change barrel fetish anyway. It makes some sense for a department or unit purchase i guess.

But commercially, for practical use, if I want to switch calibers it's better to just have a separate upper with optics already zeroed.

Pulling the gun apart to switch barrels, then rezero the optic doesn't really strike me as particularly convenient or useful.



If done well there's almost no downside. Ideally you end up with barrels that are easy for the aftermarket to make and then the possibilities are endless.
If the new Gen 3 barrels are like the SPEAR barrels they should be very easy to make, which means more incentive for the aftermarket to make them.
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 3:43:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:

If done well there's almost no downside. Ideally you end up with barrels that are easy for the aftermarket to make and then the possibilities are endless.
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If given the choice between a second complete upper and a separate barrel/bolt combo, why would anyone prefer changing the barrel to switching the upper?

Seems like maybe other than cost, the barrel by itself is all downsides comparatively.

Second upper is faster, easier, more convenient, and you might actually use it.

Swapping barrels probably has more also academically than in real use.

I have a 13" and 16" barrel for my scar 17 and 10"/16" for the scar 16 and literally never change them from the short configuration. It requires tools, time, and then my optics aren't zeroed. The idea was that i could change out the barrel to reach out further if I wanted. Meh.

But my AR15s, i have all sorts of uppers with optics already zeroed that require like 10 seconds and popping 2 pins to go from 10" to 16 or 18". I often take one or two complete guns shooting with several uppers that i switch out. I can mix and match. I have a bunch of uppers that don't have a dedicated lower because it's so easy to pop them on and off.

Before heading overseas the last time, i put most of my guns in storage and just kept a 7" 300blk sbr with a 14.5" 556 upper in the safe. Aimpoint on the 300blk, lpvo on the 556. Covers lots of bases and takes seconds to switch configurations and be ready to use the the gun.

I would have kept the rattler instead but I don't have a 556 upper to switch out.

I just don't get the barrel change fetish for the mcx. Additionally, any compatibility concerns between the various versions of the mcx are nullified if you're just swapping uppers.

I mean, by all means - like things i don't like. Vote with your dollar and all that. I am just saying i don't get the people who clamor for the capability like it's a make or break feature.
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 8:45:53 PM EDT
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With a good setup, you don't have to change anything other then the barrel.  There is no need to re-zero optics if you know the different dope a settings for each barrel and/or caliber.  The UPPER with the OPTIC doesn't change or move.



Link Posted: 9/2/2022 9:50:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CFletch:
If the new Gen 3 barrels are like the SPEAR barrels they should be very easy to make, which means more incentive for the aftermarket to make them.
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That would be cool. I don't know much about the SPEAR but it seems pretty awesome.
Originally Posted By Daggertt:
If given the choice between a second complete upper and a separate barrel/bolt combo, why would anyone prefer changing the barrel to switching the upper?

Seems like maybe other than cost, the barrel by itself is all downsides comparatively.

Second upper is faster, easier, more convenient, and you might actually use it.

Swapping barrels probably has more also academically than in real use.

I have a 13" and 16" barrel for my scar 17 and 10"/16" for the scar 16 and literally never change them from the short configuration. It requires tools, time, and then my optics aren't zeroed. The idea was that i could change out the barrel to reach out further if I wanted. Meh.

But my AR15s, i have all sorts of uppers with optics already zeroed that require like 10 seconds and popping 2 pins to go from 10" to 16 or 18". I often take one or two complete guns shooting with several uppers that i switch out. I can mix and match. I have a bunch of uppers that don't have a dedicated lower because it's so easy to pop them on and off.

Before heading overseas the last time, i put most of my guns in storage and just kept a 7" 300blk sbr with a 14.5" 556 upper in the safe. Aimpoint on the 300blk, lpvo on the 556. Covers lots of bases and takes seconds to switch configurations and be ready to use the the gun.

I would have kept the rattler instead but I don't have a 556 upper to switch out.

I just don't get the barrel change fetish for the mcx. Additionally, any compatibility concerns between the various versions of the mcx are nullified if you're just swapping uppers.

I mean, by all means - like things i don't like. Vote with your dollar and all that. I am just saying i don't get the people who clamor for the capability like it's a make or break feature.
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It just depends on what you're trying to do. Cost is a major consideration for most people. A good QD setup can be almost as fast as swapping the upper. I agree that a complete upper is easier especially if it's just a range gun. A barrel can be pretty compact and easy to store. If it was an actual mission requirement it could be handy. A lot of the cool combos use the same bolt so it's quick and easy ie 223/300 Blackout or 308/8.6 Blackout. Even just a longer heavier barrel paired with a shorter lighter barrel can be handy.

Understand in practice I am with you I just understand why the feature can be pretty cool and help with aftermarket stuff. Honestly as long as it's set up like most of these barrels including the AR's I'm sure someone will pick them up. Sig just needs to make enough of them for long enough and the market will take over.
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 10:36:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142:
With a good setup, you don't have to change anything other then the barrel.  There is no need to re-zero optics if you know the different dope a settings for each barrel and/or caliber.  The UPPER with the OPTIC doesn't change or move.



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When changing the barrel and the optic doesn't move... The optic is still zeroed for the old barrel. Not the one you just installed.

Knowing your dope only works if you're tracking windage and elevation differences.

So you're either "rezeroing" by adjusting the zero of the optic, or you're mentally trying to keep in mind kentucky windage on two axis for every shot.

"When I have the 556 barrel, it shoots poa/poi, but the 300blk barrel shoots 2moa to the left and 1.5moa low."

No thanks.

Also if I'm going from 16" 556 to 9" 300blk, it's a safe bet I want different optics anyway.

Again, if it floats your boat that's great. But it really isn't that great of a feature objectively. And certainly not without downsides compared to just swapping uppers.
Link Posted: 9/2/2022 10:51:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:

That would be cool. I don't know much about the SPEAR but it seems pretty awesome.

It just depends on what you're trying to do. Cost is a major consideration for most people. A good QD setup can be almost as fast as swapping the upper. I agree that a complete upper is easier especially if it's just a range gun. A barrel can be pretty compact and easy to store. If it was an actual mission requirement it could be handy. A lot of the cool combos use the same bolt so it's quick and easy ie 223/300 Blackout or 308/8.6 Blackout. Even just a longer heavier barrel paired with a shorter lighter barrel can be handy.

Understand in practice I am with you I just understand why the feature can be pretty cool and help with aftermarket stuff. Honestly as long as it's set up like most of these barrels including the AR's I'm sure someone will pick them up. Sig just needs to make enough of them for long enough and the market will take over.
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That's fair.

I would point out, however, that those for whom cost is a major consideration are also those who would mainly be using it on the range.

Also changing the barrel on the mcx requires popping off the handguard (easy) then pulling 2 bolts with a torx wrench, putting the new barrel on, and then torquing them each to 60 in lbs. And reinstalling the handguard.

Hardly a complex task. But it requires tools, including a torque wrench if you want to make sure the installation is consistent every time, and considerably more time than what I'd consider "quick change" (a la m240 or 249) or something you'd ever do in the field of you could avoid it.

Again I think the idea appeals to some people on paper more than it translates into actual practical utility. But those people are really loud around here it seems


Link Posted: 9/3/2022 8:50:23 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/7/2022 12:22:10 AM EDT
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The Ambi safety looks like an afterthought and kinda bad. That being said maybe someone could modify current lowers to accept it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 12:27:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
That's fair.

I would point out, however, that those for whom cost is a major consideration are also those who would mainly be using it on the range.

Also changing the barrel on the mcx requires popping off the handguard (easy) then pulling 2 bolts with a torx wrench, putting the new barrel on, and then torquing them each to 60 in lbs. And reinstalling the handguard.

Hardly a complex task. But it requires tools, including a torque wrench if you want to make sure the installation is consistent every time, and considerably more time than what I'd consider "quick change" (a la m240 or 249) or something you'd ever do in the field of you could avoid it.

Again I think the idea appeals to some people on paper more than it translates into actual practical utility. But those people are really loud around here it seems


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Sounds like you have it all figured out.  Try to get an engineering job with sig or design your own weapons and fix the issues you see in the MCX. You could be with next Hurt or Stoner
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 5:53:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541:
Sounds like you have it all figured out.  Try to get an engineering job with sig or design your own weapons and fix the issues you see in the MCX. You could be with next Hurt or Stoner
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Originally Posted By MGYSGT8541:
Originally Posted By Daggertt:
That's fair.

I would point out, however, that those for whom cost is a major consideration are also those who would mainly be using it on the range.

Also changing the barrel on the mcx requires popping off the handguard (easy) then pulling 2 bolts with a torx wrench, putting the new barrel on, and then torquing them each to 60 in lbs. And reinstalling the handguard.

Hardly a complex task. But it requires tools, including a torque wrench if you want to make sure the installation is consistent every time, and considerably more time than what I'd consider "quick change" (a la m240 or 249) or something you'd ever do in the field of you could avoid it.

Again I think the idea appeals to some people on paper more than it translates into actual practical utility. But those people are really loud around here it seems


Sounds like you have it all figured out.  Try to get an engineering job with sig or design your own weapons and fix the issues you see in the MCX. You could be with next Hurt or Stoner
Thanks for noticing.

You seem to have misunderstood me though. I don't have issues with the mcx platform. I have issues with the people here clamoring for quick change barrel and caliber functionality as if it would make the difference between the platform being worth buying or not.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 7:04:21 AM EDT
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The Ambi safety looks like an afterthought and kinda bad. That being said maybe someone could modify current lowers to accept it.
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The Ambi safety looks like an afterthought and kinda bad. That being said maybe someone could modify current lowers to accept it.


I mean, it's basically the PDQ lever. If you run an MCX on an AR lower you could just use that.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 12:11:30 PM EDT
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I mean, it's basically the PDQ lever. If you run an MCX on an AR lower you could just use that.
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Originally Posted By uniquesnd:



The Ambi safety looks like an afterthought and kinda bad. That being said maybe someone could modify current lowers to accept it.


I mean, it's basically the PDQ lever. If you run an MCX on an AR lower you could just use that.
If you're talking about the ambi bolt lock/release, it's one of the more elegant designs out there.
Link Posted: 9/8/2022 11:17:59 PM EDT
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If you're talking about the ambi bolt lock/release, it's one of the more elegant designs out there.
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HK has been doing something similar with the 416 since the A5 was released:
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Originally Posted By Daggertt:
That's fair.

I would point out, however, that those for whom cost is a major consideration are also those who would mainly be using it on the range.

Also changing the barrel on the mcx requires popping off the handguard (easy) then pulling 2 bolts with a torx wrench, putting the new barrel on, and then torquing them each to 60 in lbs. And reinstalling the handguard.

Hardly a complex task. But it requires tools, including a torque wrench if you want to make sure the installation is consistent every time, and considerably more time than what I'd consider "quick change" (a la m240 or 249) or something you'd ever do in the field of you could avoid it.

Again I think the idea appeals to some people on paper more than it translates into actual practical utility. But those people are really loud around here it seems


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249s and 240s are also open bolt weapons that are meant for completely different things. I get what you’re saying but I disagree.

Some people see the value in having.a bunch of systems to fit a few different roles, others want their one system to fit as many roles as possible. To each their own.
Link Posted: 9/11/2022 7:30:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BoogieMan2:


249s and 240s are also open bolt weapons that are meant for completely different things. I get what you're saying but I disagree.

Some people see the value in having.a bunch of systems to fit a few different roles, others want their one system to fit as many roles as possible. To each their own.
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An mcx or AR with multiple uppers serves the same "one system fitting many roles as possible" concept as interchangeable (not to be confused with quick change) barrels. Except better and faster.

That's my point. Even the guys that want this capability aren't typically best served by the design of changing out the barrel.  
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 12:09:17 AM EDT
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HK has been doing something similar with the 416 since the A5 was released:
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Originally Posted By JAG2955:
If you're talking about the ambi bolt lock/release, it's one of the more elegant designs out there.


HK has been doing something similar with the 416 since the A5 was released:
https://blackopsdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/DSC_0018.jpg


I am talking about how the just milled an area away and slapped the lever in leaving a weird gap in the shelf. The forging did not change at all to accommodate it, HK actually changed the forgings on the Ambi model.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 12:24:35 AM EDT
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I am talking about how the just milled an area away and slapped the lever in leaving a weird gap in the shelf. The forging did not change at all to accommodate it, HK actually changed the forgings on the Ambi model.
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Ahh ok I see what you're saying.  Unfortunately I think the shape of the MCX lower makes it harder for a more elegant solution without redesigning the lower/ambi catch.  A simple endmill would be all that's necessary to modify an existing lower though.

The M400 switchblade uses the same(?) ambi bolt catch and looks much better on a more traditional profile AR lower:
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 2:21:41 PM EDT
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Good news, everyone!

GT just posted a video of his review on the Spear LT. About what you'd expect, it's an improvement on the Virtus and ~13 ounces lighter. Mil version apparently has titanium components in some places instead of steel for further weight reduction, though he didn't have any real details about that. (Gas block and components, the bolt carrier, or just the steel insert wear parts?) I kinda liked the steel QD's in the Virtus handguard, but that's a very minor gripe. I do like the new locking stock latch, that's a nice detail.

The SIG SPEAR LT in 5.56, The new rifle of the SAS and SOCOM/Gen 3 MCX
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TFB video.  Gives some details on 7.62x39 version. The 7.62 version will be available at launch,

The SIG MCX Spear LT: New MCX, Old Caliber...
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 2:41:14 PM EDT
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Gib...

Yep, 11.5 pistol for me.

any1 see one avail, LMK
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 5:55:42 PM EDT
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Will there be a SD handguard available?
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Yes.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 6:13:19 PM EDT
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Yes.
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Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By Gunslinger97:
Will there be a SD handguard available?


Yes.


What models will be available initially?  Not hand guards.  I mean the MCX Spears.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 6:19:10 PM EDT
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is there any compatibility between the virtus and the new LT?
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Yeah, I’m kind of wondering the same. If the handgaurd Compatibility is just an issue of no place for the set screws on the virtus upper, I don’t care about that. If it doesn’t fit at all like a virtus/rattler type situation, that kinda sucks even more.

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Yeah, I’m kind of wondering the same. If the handgaurd Compatibility is just an issue of no place for the set screws on the virtus upper, I don’t care about that. If it doesn’t fit at all like a virtus/rattler type situation, that kinda sucks even more.

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Originally Posted By wwen:
is there any compatibility between the virtus and the new LT?



Yeah, I’m kind of wondering the same. If the handgaurd Compatibility is just an issue of no place for the set screws on the virtus upper, I don’t care about that. If it doesn’t fit at all like a virtus/rattler type situation, that kinda sucks even more.



One of the articles said parts are backwards comparison except for the handguard.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 6:46:59 PM EDT
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Handguards are not compatible, Military Arms channel has a video coming out where he goes over most of the differences between the virtus and spear LT
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 6:50:49 PM EDT
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Interesting that they were showcasing them all with the Kate Moss stocks. I was under the impression the collapsing, folding ones were the ones to have.
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Interesting that they were showcasing them all with the Kate Moss stocks. I was under the impression the collapsing, folding ones were the ones to have.
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That's the Minimalist Plus stock.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 8:22:13 PM EDT
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Like I said in the GD Garand Thumb MCX thread. Coming soon to a GunBroker ad near you for 4K. You know that's where they are going to wind up.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 9:52:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By big_aug:


What models will be available initially?  Not hand guards.  I mean the MCX Spears.
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Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By Gunslinger97:
Will there be a SD handguard available?


Yes.


What models will be available initially?  Not hand guards.  I mean the MCX Spears.


These are the SPEAR-LT.  It will be in the following configs:

9" 300BO, Pistol and SBR
11.5” 556, Pistol and SBR
11.5” 762x39, Pistol and SBR
16" 556 Rifle
16" 762x39 Rifle

Edited - 556 and x39 pistols/SBR are 11.5”.  I was lazy and just put 11” initially.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 10:15:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coregon:


These are the SPEAR-LT.  It will be in the following configs:

9" 300BO, Pistol and SBR
11" 556, Pistol and SBR
11" 762x39, Pistol and SBR
16" 556 Rifle
16" 762x39 Rifle
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Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By big_aug:
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By Gunslinger97:
Will there be a SD handguard available?


Yes.


What models will be available initially?  Not hand guards.  I mean the MCX Spears.


These are the SPEAR-LT.  It will be in the following configs:

9" 300BO, Pistol and SBR
11" 556, Pistol and SBR
11" 762x39, Pistol and SBR
16" 556 Rifle
16" 762x39 Rifle


These are coming before the big Spear?
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 10:18:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coregon:


These are the SPEAR-LT.  It will be in the following configs:

9" 300BO, Pistol and SBR
11" 556, Pistol and SBR
11" 762x39, Pistol and SBR
16" 556 Rifle
16" 762x39 Rifle
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Any chance the 5.56 10.5” barrel might be available in the future?
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 10:25:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: doolz] [#44]
@coregon

Few questions based on what's been released in the videos...

1) Garand Thumb said that the Gen 3 (Spear LT?) handguard WILL NOT be backwards compatible with the Virtus. Did I hear this correctly? If this be the case, can you clarify any other "major" compability yes/no's on the new release and the Virtus.

2) It looks like SIG has an optic to challenge an EOTECH [SCREENSHOT BELOW], do you have any teaser info on this as well?

3) Are the new SIG suppressors going to only be compatible with the new muzzle devices on the Spear LT?

Thanks for the info!



ETA: Point where GT says the handguards "won't" be compatible with the Virtus

Compatibility?
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 11:23:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cheekibreeki] [#45]
Upscaled version of that pic to see as much detail on it:



I wonder if it's an actual American optic, and not the Chinese optics Sig pretends are American.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 11:37:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cheekibreeki:
Upscaled version of that pic to see as much detail on it:
https://i.imgur.com/c0m5YU6.jpg


I wonder if it's an actual American optic, and not the Chinese optics Sig pretends are American.
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Honestly fellas doesn't it look like an open emitter version of their closed emitter Romeo8T which is assembled in the USA. It will most likely be assembled in the USA as well.
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 11:39:16 PM EDT
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If the glass stuffs made in Philippines or Japan they should say, some reason doesnt rub me like made in China does
Link Posted: 9/18/2022 11:50:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GrAvril:
If the glass stuffs made in Philippines or Japan they should say, some reason doesnt rub me like made in China does
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Parts may still be ordered from Huanic in China and assembled in the USA by SIG.

My Holosun HE-508T's, my HE-510C and my SIG Romeo4T and other Romeo's all work great and have great reticle selection and features. Yes there may be nicer but you'd be surprised.

I respect your opinion and decisions though. It is your hard earned money to spend.
Link Posted: 9/19/2022 12:51:58 AM EDT
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so over the virtus what are we getting

6 oz lighter
MI style slimmer handguard
ambi bolt release
fde color

everything else... well only one thing we gaining in the virtus is 7.62x39...
Link Posted: 9/19/2022 7:10:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bigchillin83:
so over the virtus what are we getting

6 oz lighter
MI style slimmer handguard
ambi bolt release
fde color

everything else... well only one thing we gaining in the virtus is 7.62x39...
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It takes AR-15 triggers. Also, the handguard is fastened in place so mounted aiming devices aren't knocked off zero (Arisaka recently released a band-aid solution for the virtus).
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