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Posted: 4/26/2017 2:15:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/26/2017 7:44:27 PM EST by BCV]
It appears Moore Advanced Dynamics (MAD) has re-engineered the MP5 bolt to remove what I consider it's weakest link, the extractor spring.

I read that Battlefield Vegas (@hendersondefense) is running a few in their rentals and so far so good. Does anyone else have any reviews on them. I am on the verge of ordering one for my full auto K, but $479 is a tough pill to swallow an thats a lot o' extractor springs.

New


vs.

Old


https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-5251-mad-9mm-mp5-bolt-head.aspx
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 7:29:57 PM EST
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Link Posted: 4/26/2017 7:33:57 PM EST
Interesting, reminds me of the HK PSG-1 bolt/extractor setup. Hk realized the extractor was an issue for precision shooting and solved it for the PSG-1 sniper rifle. 
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 7:54:52 PM EST
OS Tag
Link Posted: 4/26/2017 8:29:53 PM EST
Looks a LOT like a 23 bolt head.

Link Posted: 4/27/2017 8:19:52 AM EST
I love the design. I'd bite in the mid 2's but not where it's at now.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 8:55:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By fargo007:
I love the design. I'd bite in the mid 2's but not where it's at now.
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When you factor in the cost of a new regular bolt head, its only in the mid 2's more expensive.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 3:38:01 PM EST
I simply haven't had enough problems with the original design to warrant the money.
Link Posted: 4/27/2017 4:23:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By chase45:
I simply haven't had enough problems with the original design to warrant the money.
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cause your not shooting enough!
Link Posted: 4/28/2017 6:19:49 AM EST
A good idea thats priced itself into oblivion.
Link Posted: 4/28/2017 10:37:37 AM EST
Yeah, I'd be interested, but it's priced way too high IMO. I understand that anything MP-5 ='s a larger price tag but geez. This is as bad as Franklin Armory's $700+ dollar binary trigger pack...

Give us a break guys.
Link Posted: 5/11/2017 10:57:04 AM EST
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Link Posted: 5/11/2017 2:35:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 4:00:33 AM EST
Would this work with a DJ Getz MP5 clone? Full Size and K.

I've gone through a few extractor springs...
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 7:16:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 8:12:42 AM EST
These bolt heads warrant additional cost. The design has been tested above and beyond the normal failure tests. RCM manufactures these bolt heads for MADD. We have worked with them since day one and believe this is the next generation bolt head.
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 9:13:41 AM EST
I could do $299 if I hadn't just bought a brand new F Bolt.
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 2:17:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/18/2017 2:22:39 PM EST by FatboyFudd]
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Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
Yes they will work with the Getz clones , Battlefield Vegas is running some of our Omega clones and said with the MAD Bolts they just could not be stopped. So we decided to order some in and they are very nicely machined . I think they are going to be listed for 299.00.
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If you know where they're $299, please post a link. Inquiring minds want to know?

Link Posted: 6/18/2017 2:54:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 7:15:52 AM EST by ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 6:46:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FatboyFudd:


If you know where they're $299, please post a link. Inquiring minds want to know?

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd154/UltraFudd/SP5K%20SBR%20Right%20View_zpsd9lgtwtd.jpg
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Dude, the big roller lock dealer says that they're going to list them for $299... it's pretty obvious where you'll want to look for them.
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 7:04:37 PM EST
Interesting... Any pics of one of these disassembled? How do you disassemble it? How does the extractor spring fit into the works? Is it a coil spring? Will replacement parts be available?

So many questions...
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 9:27:36 PM EST
The extractor has a US made Spirol Coil Spring that is pressed in from the bolt face. If the picture shows, the pin will expand back out when it passes through both sides of the bolt head and the extractor itself. The exposed pocket will be radiused on the backside to allow the pin to be punched through if necessary and exit up the ramp created by the radiused pocket.
Link Posted: 6/18/2017 9:29:29 PM EST
All new features have been added after the testing at battlefield
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Link Posted: 6/18/2017 9:50:46 PM EST
tag for pictures
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 7:42:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 7:42:48 AM EST by Rayrevolver]
The link in OP price is down to $329.

So is there going to be a Gen2 of these now with improvements based on BF Vegas?
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 8:50:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rayrevolver:
The link in OP price is down to $329.

So is there going to be a Gen2 of these now with improvements based on BF Vegas?
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because the $479 price is ridiculous and insane.

Hell, $329 is a bit ridiculous.
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 8:52:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 8:52:20 AM EST by BCV]
$299 is getting better, but a $199 price tag would be more fitting.
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 7:11:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 7:12:32 PM EST by ATLANTIC-FIREARMS]
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 7:28:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BCV:
$299 is getting better, but a $199 price tag would be more fitting.
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Agreed. I want one (okay, three), but not $300 want. Looks like nice improvement.
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 8:53:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/19/2017 9:00:21 PM EST by 223spree]
This may sound dumb, yet I have to ask, will these bolts drop in? Any headspace necessary or change of bolt rollers?

And I'm asking specifically for Getz guns. Thanks in Advance
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 9:08:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 223spree:
This may sound dumb, yet I have to ask, will these bolts drop in? Any headspace necessary or change of bolt rollers?

And I'm asking specifically for Getz guns. Thanks in Advance
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I believe there is always a possibility the Bolt Gap changes but these should be drop in. My only experience was swapping out an MKE bolt for an F bolt and the gap stayed exactly the same.

At this point, I am going to stay happy with my current German bolt and backup MKE bolt. Really don't ever see wearing one out, let alone 2.
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 9:20:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rayrevolver:


I believe there is always a possibility the Bolt Gap changes but these should be drop in. My only experience was swapping out an MKE bolt for an F bolt and the gap stayed exactly the same.

At this point, I am going to stay happy with my current German bolt and backup MKE bolt. Really don't ever see wearing one out, let alone 2.
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This isn't about wearing out the bolt, it's about fixing the weakest link in the MP5 platform, the extractor spring. This would also allow people you use steel cased ammo more reliable as well.
Link Posted: 6/19/2017 11:39:16 PM EST
My concern would be availability of extractors down the road.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 7:16:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BCV:


This isn't about wearing out the bolt, it's about fixing the weakest link in the MP5 platform, the extractor spring. This would also allow people you use steel cased ammo more reliable as well.
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Man, I am trying to convince myself I don't need this thing!

But I agree, this is something H&K should have done instead of the F Bolt, for reliability reasons. In general, everything I own I want to be bump in the night reliable, but after my Z-5P has choked on some 147gr flat points and HP (Mostly 1 mag, although had issues with a German mag as well) I am kinda leaning towards it being a fun/range toy.

Recently it has run my Win Ranger a few mags without hiccups. If I can get through the next 500 rounds trouble free I may consider selling my F bolt and getting one of these.
Link Posted: 6/30/2017 10:43:51 AM EST
I own a MAD 33AR myself and its my favorite pseudo assault rifle to shoot even ACOG worthy. Should such a bolt head come out for the 33 series I will probably cave and buy one.
Link Posted: 7/9/2017 7:08:12 PM EST
well hell I ordered one for the shop MP5. We will run it through the paces and see how good it is. Nothing like battlefield vegas though.
Link Posted: 7/13/2017 6:55:36 PM EST
Got the bolt today and installed. Ran a couple of mags through it. It ate everything including the steel cased wolf shit that it normally wouldn't eat at all.

I will go to the range sat AM and run it through the paces. So far though, I am impressed.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:42:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BCV:
Got the bolt today and installed. Ran a couple of mags through it. It ate everything including the steel cased wolf shit that it normally wouldn't eat at all.

I will go to the range sat AM and run it through the paces. So far though, I am impressed.
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It's pretty hard to take a gun as old as the MP5 and make it better like this, but these guys really did it. I've shot their entire line of guns at their facility and they make some seriously great full autos.
Their guns outran HKs demos at shot last year. Thats not a joke. That actually happened.
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 7:53:09 PM EST
Impressive! 
Demos of what? MP5 vs. MP5?
Link Posted: 7/14/2017 9:15:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
Impressive! 
Demos of what? MP5 vs. MP5?
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It was a closed range day pre-SHOT for LE and .mil demos. It was before they officially released the new bolt head. They were in the guns already but none of the shooters knew it.
The HK rep asked them what they were doing to get the guns to run so well That's how you know you've got a winning idea.
Link Posted: 7/17/2017 1:37:29 PM EST
Well I managed to put over 700 rounds mostly full auto with the new bolt on Saturday.

Ammo used was mostly wolf, tula, Prvi, and some federal brass.

The gun ran great, with only a 5'ish stove pipes. Simple charging and shaking the casing out.


I am impressed and would highly recommend one of these if you do a lot of shooting or have a trigger pack.
Link Posted: 7/22/2017 10:42:52 PM EST
Put another 200 rounds through it this evening, all FA wolf steel cased with only 1 failure.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:11:02 PM EST
Any more updates or feedback?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:33:57 PM EST
I believe that they have begun testing a 40 S&W / 10mm version of the bolt head.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:37:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mah827:
Any more updates or feedback?
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Well it works if thats what you are asking.

I had a few light primer strikes on a different full auto gun, but thats the only malfunctions I have seen with it.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 5:33:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BCV:


Well it works if thats what you are asking.

I had a few light primer strikes on a different full auto gun, but thats the only malfunctions I have seen with it.
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Just wanted to see if they were still going strong or any issues popped up.
Link Posted: 8/24/2017 6:44:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2017 6:13:40 PM EST
probably 800 rounds of tula 9mm thru dakota mp5kn no problems; could not get thru a mag of the stuff before.
Link Posted: 10/29/2017 9:19:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2017 9:21:20 PM EST by jhc101]
duped
Link Posted: 10/29/2017 9:20:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mah827:


Just wanted to see if they were still going strong or any issues popped up.
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I've got one as well you can try the next time we're together at the range. Ran 120 rounds 124g NATO through the SD w/o a single problem.
Link Posted: 10/30/2017 11:18:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By jhc101:


I've got one as well you can try the next time we're together at the range. Ran 120 rounds 124g NATO through the SD w/o a single problem.
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Did your paperwork get approved on both of your HK's? I have been so busy that I have not been out in awhile.
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