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Posted: 10/13/2003 8:55:19 PM EDT
Dontcha just love gun banners?

In HR 2038 the M1 Carbine is banned by name but it's two bigger cousins are NOT (though they are technically banned later in anothe provision).

Plus the M1A WOULD PASS HR 2038's "evil definition test". Yes it would as flash hiders and bayo lugs are deleted from the evil feature list.

Just something to mention.........

CRC
Link Posted: 10/13/2003 9:10:22 PM EDT
When could this take effect?

Is HR 2038 supposed to be the heir to our current AWB?
Link Posted: 10/13/2003 9:39:42 PM EDT
It's anti-gun wishlist bill that would ban virtually every semi-automatic short of tube fed .22 rimfires.

CRC
Link Posted: 10/14/2003 4:50:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/14/2003 4:52:46 PM EDT by shephard]

Originally Posted By CRC:
Dontcha just love gun banners?

In HR 2038 the M1 Carbine is banned by name but it's two bigger cousins are NOT (though they are technically banned later in anothe provision).

Plus the M1A WOULD PASS HR 2038's "evil definition test". Yes it would as flash hiders and bayo lugs are deleted from the evil feature list.

Just something to mention.........

CRC




What is HR 2038 and the "other" provision??
Where can we see this in writing to avoid any possible rumors??
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 1:27:13 PM EDT
HR: 2038


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Calico M-110;

`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

`(v) Uzi.

`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Armscor 30 BG;

`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

`(iii) Striker 12; or

`(iv) Streetsweeper.

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a barrel shroud; or

`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip;

`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.

`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

(b) RELATED DEFINITIONS- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) BARREL SHROUD- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

`(37) CONVERSION KIT- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

`(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.

`(39) FIXED MAGAZINE- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.

`(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm.

`(41) FORWARD GRIP- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.

`(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

`(43) THREADED BARREL- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'.




M-14 clones are evil. They're not specifically named, but they have a barrel shroud by the law's definition.
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 1:40:36 PM EDT
There is NO WAY in hell that thing is going to pass. Satan would just as soon be in the Olympics in the figure skating category.
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 2:36:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blackjack272:
There is NO WAY in hell that thing is going to pass. Satan would just as soon be in the Olympics in the figure skating category.



Let's hope you're right. Pressure your Congresscritters often between now and then, just to be sure.

Also, what I posted was not the entire text of the bill, just the prohibited weapons and definitions. I left out the fun stuff like "SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS", "SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE", and "SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE."

For the full text, go to thomas.loc.gov and type "HR 2038" without the quotes where it asks for the bill number.
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 4:59:07 PM EDT
I read "all of it" on another board.
This is some serious f%@$#&*% s#^%$#&*%.
Looks to me that another Great American Revolution is in order.

From what I understand,if the AWB sunsets that this bill will be introduced for approval.
It may now be time to lock and load.
Link Posted: 10/15/2003 5:37:52 PM EDT
First question: Is everyone reading this post registered to vote?

Second question: Regardless of what new legislation will you vote in November, 2004?

Third question: Will you hand write a letter to your Congressman and Senators regarding this issue in 2004?

My answers: 1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Yes
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