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Posted: 1/8/2005 3:15:14 PM EDT
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^^^^Then, in my mind, you have already made up choice.^^^^ The BEST optics solution for the M1A comes up at least 100% short of the average solution for the AR10A4. According to many who know, the M1A needs to be properly bedded in order to maintain the utmost accuracy...not so with the AR10. FWIW.... |
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Posted: 1/8/2005 4:07:14 PM EDT
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I have an AR-10 & I love it. Minimal felt recoil, wonderful accuracy. Damn good accuracy, actually.
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Posted: 1/8/2005 5:52:02 PM EDT
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Bushmaster M10 same as an AR10 but with a forward assist and it takes unmodded FAL mags. Had a chance to run one lately and WOW!!!!
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:49:20 AM EDT
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Hmm okay...
So now its a dreaded BAR10 / AR10 debate  I dunno about the price of them Bushymasters. |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 1:25:26 PM EDT
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I would take the m1a any day of the week. The ar may have an advantage in the weight department though. If you are going to be carrying the gun up the hill, down the hill all day long hunting elk you may want to consider that also.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:52:40 PM EDT
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FAL.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 6:00:57 AM EDT
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AR-10A4 - a cinch to scope and with a chrome lined barrel.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 6:18:42 AM EDT
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+1, you simply cannot beat the optics platform of the AR10. If you're looking for a elk gun that'll double as a SHTF piece, then there's no debate - AR10. If you want only an elk gun, I'd go for a bolt action. M1A's are classic, proven, etc etc blah blah blah....but scoping one is like putting perfume on a pig - no matter what you do it still stinks. FAL's are great too. For irons. Given the quality of Armalites AR10's, especially as of late, you can't go wrong at all. The BAR10's are, in my opinion, top heavy, expensive, and the cost of those wonderfully cheap FAL mags doesn't outweigh the benefits of a lightweight-chromelined barrel and lifetime warranty. Plus you can also free float the barrel, install a sweet trigger, and did I mention that excellent optics platform? Plus, what are you going to do with 50 FAL mags? Heck all you'll want to carry on you is at most 6 loaded mags. If 120 rounds of 308 won't deter that herd of zombies triangulating on your position, 140+ won't either! There...I made my peace with the great 308 rifle debate. My new 308 rifle motto: AR10 - anything else is ghey. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 8:48:27 AM EDT
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As a purely hunting rifle, either one will do, although all other things being equal, the AR will probably be the more accurate of the two, unless you opt for the more expensive Nat'l Match or Super Match M1A. Either one can be scoped satisfactorily. The extra spent for the M1A mount is offset by the expense of a carry handle/rear sight unit for the AR. A battle rifle must above all things be reliable, with accuracy a close second. Some M1As, like the Nat'l Match and Super Match, trade off some reliability for accuracy. Same with differing versions of the .308 AR. As a battle rifle, I would opt for an M1A in standard configuration (scoped if you wish). It is battle-proven, simple to maintain, reliable, and accurate enough for the job of battle rifle. Having a 7.62 NATO chamber allows you to reliably use inexpensive Milsurp ammo. A .308 match chamber, while more accurate, can be problematic with some surplus ammo. The operating system of the M1A is cleaner than the .308 AR and the operator has positive control of the cartridge in both directions. Put it in a GI fiberglass stock from Fred's (not Springfield!), add a buttstock cleaning kit , sling, and bayonet maybe, and you are good to go as a battle rifle. Both rifles come with a warranty, and some M1A owners report making use of it lately. To be fair, there are reports of spotty QC on some .308 ARs as well. Ergonomics favor the AR clones, although the M1A is tolerable with sufficient training. If you are a lefty, the M1A will seem made for you. The mag issue favors the M1A as well, assuming you obtain good Taiwanese milsurp mags at about $15 each. I would suggest you refine your criteria and prioritize same. The answer will come to you. Good luck. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 8:51:09 AM EDT
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Good point regarding left-handed shooters. Research research research. Shoot them all first. I wouldn't feel undergunned with any of them. I just have my preference, I'm sure you'll have yours. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:45:16 PM EDT
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There's several more advantages as well, IMO. First of all, a flattop allows a much more stable scope mount. Add flip up sights, front & rear, & you're good to go 7/24. The scope mount on the M1A is lots less stable, IMO. Pure accuracy is also a leg up too. All Armalite AR-10s have a NM barrel, AFAIK. I don't handload so I'm not gonna say this group or that group for accuracy. Everyone here knows ammo & shooters add elements to accuracy as well. But having all things being equal, percentage wise, I'd bet a milkshake an off the rack Armalite AR-10 will be more accurate than an off the rack M1A. I haven't shot mine in a while & Coondog keeps promising to teach me how to shoot.  Maybe I'll get mine finally tuned in??????
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:51:20 PM EDT
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I have taken Elk at 300+ yards with a Norinco M1A, a Generation II mount and a Bushnell scope.
I do want a Bushmaster .308 too though. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 10:36:27 PM EDT
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If the choice is between a S.A. Inc. M1A and an AR10. If you can find an AR10 that works, get it.
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