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Posted: 10/24/2016 8:28:03 PM EDT
Saw this on twitter today. Hopefully, this isn't a dupe.
I'm a NV newb so forgive me my question, but any ideas of the technology they might be using to come in at this price point, as opposed to the stuff that costs $3k?  |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 8:30:32 PM EDT
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We will have some upcoming info on this as well. We found out about this one 3 months ago but was not allowed to talk about it.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 8:42:32 PM EDT
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6x digital zoom implies a decent sized (320 ish) core. If thats true its amazing at that price point.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 9:54:32 PM EDT
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This is very exciting news at a great price point!
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Posted: 10/24/2016 10:46:04 PM EDT
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This is very exciting news at a great price point! I am seeing $620ish prices online. Not bad at all! |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 10:50:37 PM EDT
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Someone will find a good way to mount it.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 10:54:47 PM EDT
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https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/thermal/lto-tracker/
LTO-Tracker The all new Leupold LTO-Tracker thermal viewer allows hunters to get a greater understanding of their surroundings and have greater success recovering game long after the sun goes down. The compact LTO-Tracker is only 5.6 inches long and weighs less than 10 ounces, allowing it to be carried comfortably in a pant pocket. While the easy to find CR123 battery delivers 10 hours of continuous operation. Equipped with a 6x digital zoom and 21 degree field of view, this thermal device will detect game up to 600 yards away. The LTO has 6 color palettes to choose from and a user controlled reticle for greater viewing precision. The Leupold LTO-Tracker is Designed, Machined, and Assembled in the United States and backed by the Leupold 5 Year Electronics Warranty. – Thermal Sensor: 206 x 156 px – Operating Temperature: -4F to 140F – Fixed Focus – 3 seconds Imported electronics? |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:09:02 PM EDT
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Resolution of microbolometer?
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:42:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/thermal/lto-tracker/ LTO-Tracker The all new Leupold LTO-Tracker thermal viewer allows hunters to get a greater understanding of their surroundings and have greater success recovering game long after the sun goes down. The compact LTO-Tracker is only 5.6 inches long and weighs less than 10 ounces, allowing it to be carried comfortably in a pant pocket. While the easy to find CR123 battery delivers 10 hours of continuous operation. Equipped with a 6x digital zoom and 21 degree field of view, this thermal device will detect game up to 600 yards away. The LTO has 6 color palettes to choose from and a user controlled reticle for greater viewing precision. The Leupold LTO-Tracker is Designed, Machined, and Assembled in the United States and backed by the Leupold 5 Year Electronics Warranty. – Thermal Sensor: 206 x 156 px – Operating Temperature: -4F to 140F – Fixed Focus – 3 seconds Imported electronics? A 21 degree FOV at 1X will be pretty tight for scanning purposes I just ran the 206 x 156 through Harlikwin's Thermal Range Calculator - at 1,800 feet the pixel blob size for a 2 ft by 6 ft target is 1.89 - so I'm having trouble believing a 600 yard detection - 450 looks like the edge of the envelope. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:30:22 AM EDT
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So is this more or less comparable to the Scout TK?
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:55:52 AM EDT
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So is this more or less comparable to the Scout TK? Actually, it looks like it has much higher resolution. The Scout TK has a smaller 160x120 detector. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:03:02 AM EDT
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I wonder what the sensitivity really is.
I was disappointed with the Seek compact pro, it stated that it had a 320x240 sensor but it had a lot of noise. Everything was muddy and foggy unless you were closer than 20 yards. My 80lb lab would fade into the background noise past 50 yds. I could never find literature on the sensitivity but it seemed much worse than NETD 100mK Objects blended together and there wasn't enough contrast, even when the thermal variance was substantial...like 50+ degrees. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:12:18 PM EDT
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tagging for more info
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:31:37 PM EDT
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Keep the discussion tech related.......<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:07:33 PM EDT
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Keep the discussion tech related.......<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:47:57 PM EDT
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TAG. ETA: -4F operating range? No go.... |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 3:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ost Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you can just click "subscribe"  Ost  back to topic, though... so the resolution seems to be better than the Scout TK, but not as good as, say, and HD19A, etc? That seems to be the case based on my understanding of the specs, but I'm not sure exactly how the numbers translate into real world usability. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:13:57 PM EDT
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lol. old farts. Hard to believe y'all are even interested in these newfangled gadgets the kids always playin with these days... uphill both ways in the snow and all that.
back to topic, though... so the resolution seems to be better than the Scout TK, but not as good as, say, and HD19A, etc? That seems to be the case based on my understanding of the specs, but I'm not sure exactly how the numbers translate into real world usability. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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you can just click "subscribe" Ost
back to topic, though... so the resolution seems to be better than the Scout TK, but not as good as, say, and HD19A, etc? That seems to be the case based on my understanding of the specs, but I'm not sure exactly how the numbers translate into real world usability. lol,,, young whippersnappers,,hard to believe y'all have time to quit masturbating since you have finally discovered girls and all that.   Us old farts are years ahead of you,,,,
i do wish something would come out like this with the viewing quality more toward the reap-ir. The form and size is perfect for a "viewer" I have an extra reap-ir to scan with, but it is not as convenient as that lupy looks like. I am hoping for more in this direction this year. I tried a flr and the screen is too small looking thru it. I would like to look thru one of the loopys |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:27:15 PM EDT
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 8:52:05 PM EDT
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. That's what I was thinking... 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:12:35 PM EDT
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Keep the discussion tech related.......<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:46:15 PM EDT
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subscribing
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:51:09 PM EDT
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Some manual stuff...
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:46:02 PM EDT
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Keep the discussion tech related.......<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/25/2016 10:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryJust curious, have you guys had the chance to test this unit? If so, what are your initial impressions of the display and image quality? Thank you for ANY feedback you may be able to relay!! |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 11:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. Allowing for a bezel around the front lens (pity there's no front view) and the 1.22" diameter, there is 25 mm to 30 mm lens in front - which with 206 x 156 sensor will start at a base magnification of what? 2x or 3x? A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO.
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Posted: 10/26/2016 1:59:05 AM EDT
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Allowing for a bezel around the front lens (pity there's no front view) and the 1.22" diameter, there is 25 mm to 30 mm lens in front - which with 206 x 156 sensor will start at a base magnification of what? 2x or 3x? A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO. Probably a plastic lens [a la PIR motion sensors] , and that's why they don't show the front. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 2:16:37 AM EDT
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Probably a plastic lens [a la PIR motion sensors] , and that's why they don't show the front. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO. Probably a plastic lens [a la PIR motion sensors] , and that's why they don't show the front. Plastic lens? Anyone want to educate me on that? |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 2:27:59 AM EDT
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Too bad it's not a scope.
Glad you can change the color palette. Wish more NV would do that, using anything but red screws up your dark adaptation |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 2:29:13 AM EDT
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Plastic lens? Anyone want to educate me on that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO. Probably a plastic lens [a la PIR motion sensors] , and that's why they don't show the front. Plastic lens? Anyone want to educate me on that? Certain inexpensive plastics transmit and refract -efficiently, thermal IR... Take a look at your flood light motion detector, as an example... Or it may be a small germanium lens... |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 3:40:32 AM EDT
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Certain inexpensive plastics transmit and refract -efficiently, thermal IR... Take a look at your flood light motion detector, as an example... Or it may be a small germanium lens... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol 6x zoom on a 160ish class core. What a joke. But hey the price is good I guess. With a 20degree FOV it will be a bit less useful than my old x150, and it looks light and small. A 30 Hz refresh rate means there HAS to be a post-processing chipset of some sort buried inside (which the folks on the eevblog will unearth once one of them gets their hands on one) to provide the refresh & digital zoom. Figuring Leupold is NOT a small margin manufacturer, I am guessing the lens isn't germanium because a 25 mm lens alone would be a fair part of the $ 875 MSRP. Be interesting to see how it stacks up against the Reveal CompactPRO. Probably a plastic lens [a la PIR motion sensors] , and that's why they don't show the front. Plastic lens? Anyone want to educate me on that? Certain inexpensive plastics transmit and refract -efficiently, thermal IR... Take a look at your flood light motion detector, as an example... Or it may be a small germanium lens... I assume they are significantly worse than germanium though? |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 7:15:59 AM EDT
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There's plenty of data to characterize the IR properties of materials...
The lens will probably turn out to be a small germanium one... Made in China... |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 9:04:02 AM EDT
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Generic white hot thermal image displayed at the two different resolutions for comparison.
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Posted: 10/26/2016 9:16:39 AM EDT
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So where does the CR123 battery go?
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Posted: 10/26/2016 10:01:19 AM EDT
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So where does the CR123 battery go? Probably in the center of the small tube, its not a visual optic, just a sensor at the front and a screen at the back, just need a wire to connect the two, the center is empty space. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 10:01:59 AM EDT
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I'm interested in update rate and how quickly I can go from pouch removal to use. I'm not expecting a whole lot at the msrp .
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Posted: 10/26/2016 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Generic white hot thermal image displayed at the two different resolutions for comparison. https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5655/29947293474_74e6ed1112.jpg Wrong? According to the spec sheet... 220x204 is the DISPLAY RESOLUTION -not the bolometer core... You could have a display res of 1060, wouldn't change the performance of the instrument... |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 11:52:06 AM EDT
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Probably in the center of the small tube, its not a visual optic, just a sensor at the front and a screen at the back, just need a wire to connect the two, the center is empty space. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So where does the CR123 battery go? Probably in the center of the small tube, its not a visual optic, just a sensor at the front and a screen at the back, just need a wire to connect the two, the center is empty space. A processor is likely needed between depending on features... |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 5:13:14 PM EDT
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same resolution sensor that is in the sig echo. Take a look at the videos on youtube to get an idea on how useful it will be.
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Posted: 10/26/2016 5:47:20 PM EDT
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Looks like another SEEK product.
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Posted: 10/26/2016 7:30:59 PM EDT
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Looks like another SEEK product. Pretty sure the seek has a much shorter range. Also the seek and the flir tk are both 9hz, Where as the Leopold is 30hz |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 7:33:22 PM EDT
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There's plenty of data to characterize the IR properties of materials... The lens will probably turn out to be a small germanium one... Made in China... Super helpful, thanks. |
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Posted: 10/26/2016 11:27:31 PM EDT
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I was wholly unimpressed with the Sig Echo1 and the stated detection range is lower on the LTO tracker by some 40%. The idea that the Sig could detect anything at 3000' is a joke even at half that it had better be afterburners. Looking forward to some reviews nonetheless.
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Posted: 10/27/2016 8:29:10 PM EDT
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Just curious, was there any hint of the release of this unit at shot show this year? Any prototype someone may have had the chance to look through? If so, thank you for any information. I'm highly anticipating the initial reviews on this thermal!
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Posted: 10/27/2016 10:29:06 PM EDT
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Just curious, was there any hint of the release of this unit at shot show this year? Any prototype someone may have had the chance to look through? If so, thank you for any information. I'm highly anticipating the initial reviews on this thermal! Was NOT talked about nor showed at Shot, they kept it under heavy wraps. In fact it was not officially released when the recent "word" got out. |
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Posted: 10/27/2016 10:43:43 PM EDT
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Was NOT talked about nor showed at Shot, they kept it under heavy wraps. In fact it was not officially released when the recent "word" got out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, was there any hint of the release of this unit at shot show this year? Any prototype someone may have had the chance to look through? If so, thank you for any information. I'm highly anticipating the initial reviews on this thermal! Was NOT talked about nor showed at Shot, they kept it under heavy wraps. In fact it was not officially released when the recent "word" got out. Thank you for the clarification! |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:09:20 AM EDT
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Looks like it would be great for bird hunting. I don't currently hunt over a dog and it is amazing how well a downed grouse blends into the surroundings. Birds run hot so I would think they would produce a decent thermal contrast.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 4:28:13 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the seek has a much shorter range. Also the seek and the flir tk are both 9hz, Where as the Leopold is 30hz Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like another SEEK product. Pretty sure the seek has a much shorter range. Also the seek and the flir tk are both 9hz, Where as the Leopold is 30hz The SEEK Reveal XR FastFrame claims to be faster than 9Hz. Info I've found indicates it operates at 15+ Hz. Really not sure what that means. Is it a variable frame rate? |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:40:14 PM EDT
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how quickly I can go from pouch removal to use. I'm not expecting a whole lot at the msrp . I'm interested in this as well. Is the -4degF lower operating limit common to thermal units like this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 7:45:44 AM EDT
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Looks like it would be great for bird hunting. I don't currently hunt over a dog and it is amazing how well a downed grouse blends into the surroundings. Birds run hot so I would think they would produce a decent thermal contrast. Dont hunt birds, but brush/foliage block thermal entirely. If your dead bird is on a nice trimmed lawn it will show up well, if its in reeds etc then i would guess not so much. |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 8:30:39 AM EDT
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Nice to see thermal options that aren't priced in to the stratosphere.
Hopefully that trend continues. |
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