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Posted: 1/11/2002 5:40:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2002 8:27:35 PM EDT by LongIslandShooter]
Has anyone had any experience with the Lee Enfield No. 5 Jungle Carbines That have been on the market recently? I see SOG has been selling them for $189, it looks pretty cool. The only thing is, I heard that it's a savage kicker. How does recoil compare to a M1A or a .308 bolt action?

Did it come in cosmoline? What's the condition like?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:52:13 PM EDT
It is a kicker alright! I feel it kicks more than the rifles you mentioned.

Did not come in cosmoline.

Low accuracy...for plinking only & CQB. Don't expect much long range accuracy. It is rugged, it works, comes with a 12rd magazine & muzzle brake that makes it VERY loud.

Cool .308 rifle for the price...condition: looks new when you get it...though a bit rough.

Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:52:37 PM EDT
My SOG Jungle Carbine had a light coat of cosmoline and grime but cleaned up nice and has a bright shiny bore and shoos really well. The recoil isn't all that bad, no more than a 1903 Springfield but is kinda loud !!! In my opinion the $ 189 Jungle is a bargain, these rifles in the condition mine was in where $ 400 + 6 years ago...Tan



Link Posted: 1/11/2002 5:59:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LongIslandShooter:
I heard that it's a savage.
Thanks.



Savage only made No. 4's, not 5's

OSA
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 6:01:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OSA:

Originally Posted By LongIslandShooter:
I heard that it's a savage.
Thanks.



Savage only made No. 4's, not 5's

OSA



Ha-ha-ha!!!!
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 6:48:04 PM EDT
The ones he is talking about are original .303 calibre. They do kick a little bit but are well worth the money, although a little rough looking. But the three I have shot would group around 2 and one half inches at 100 yards. And thats with surplus ammo.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:12:37 PM EDT
The origional No5 carbines are in .303 British. The ones offered in 7.62NATO are in my opinion converted Isahpores, made for the U.S. market..

While this does not detract from their shootability, it's not a service rifle..

As to recoil, well, it's more perception, than reality..Feeding em a diet of MkVII ball will give you a nice bruise, but the majority of surplus .303 is MkVII or equivalent..

As to variations, the North American SMLE's were known and labelled as "No4 MkI*", manufacturers were Savage arms co, and Long Branch arsenal..Most origional No5's I've handled were made by Royal Ordinance Factory Fazerkely.. (R.O.F. Fazerkely)

Meplat-
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:18:38 PM EDT
I have a ROF No V and it is a SWEET shooter! I have only ever had her out once because she is in such great shape I do not want to hurt her.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:19:59 PM EDT
Just to clarify-I'm refering to the .303 version.

Anyone have any sources for slings, ammo, and stripper clips?
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:26:02 PM EDT
Try Cheaper Than Dirt, I think I saw the strippers and some bulk surplus ammo in a recent catalog
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 7:32:56 PM EDT
Can't kick any harder than one of those Spanish 308 carbines most brutal thing ive shot 300 mags dont kick as bad
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 8:27:35 PM EDT
At that price, it’s probably a No. 4 Mark I, or a No. 1 Mark III that’s been doctored to look like a Jungle Carbine. Still a decent gun for the price, esp. if it’s a No. 4.

In this area, original Jungle Carbines currently go for about $400.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 8:32:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 199:
At that price, it’s probably a No. 4 Mark I, or a No. 1 Mark III that’s been doctored to look like a Jungle Carbine. Still a decent gun for the price, esp. if it’s a No. 4.

In this area, original Jungle Carbines currently go for about $400.



SOG says it's original. I've also heard from many people online (including the C&R collector board) that they are the real deal.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 9:52:50 PM EDT
kicks about like a nagent 44 carbine, way too much for any fun shooting. better check on shell costs.. 303 pretty expensive. iv'e got a full sized mark 111 like to shoot it but even at bulk shells too high.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 10:12:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LongIslandShooter:

Originally Posted By 199:
At that price, it’s probably a No. 4 Mark I, or a No. 1 Mark III that’s been doctored to look like a Jungle Carbine. Still a decent gun for the price, esp. if it’s a No. 4.

In this area, original Jungle Carbines currently go for about $400.



SOG says it's original. I've also heard from many people online (including the C&R collector board) that they are the real deal.



Wow!! I may have to look into this myself.
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 11:09:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2002 11:34:02 PM EDT by No4MK1]
They are not as hard on the shoulder as many claim. You can't fire them like an AR, but they are a lot of fun to shoot. Mine is fairly accurate, I can keep it at 2MOA if I do my part with GOOD surplus ammo.

Good non-corrosive surplus ammo is still fairly inexpensive and easy to find (certainly compared to 30.06), and the No.5s on the market now are the real deal. They have seen some hard use, and may have been arsenal refinished in the Pacific, but most seem to be in very good shape.

Here is mine sandwitched between two of my No.4s.



I have some more pics in my profile photo-album.

I rarely leave for the range without it.

Cheers,
Chris
Link Posted: 1/11/2002 11:16:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2002 11:19:52 PM EDT by No4MK1]
In this picture you can clearly see the lightening cut underneath the sight in the top photo of my Fazakerly No5MK1 compared to the bottom photo of my Fazakerly No4MK2.






The No.5 also has lightening cuts on the knox form of the barrel underneath the handguard as well as other smaller weight reduction cuts around the receiver.

(Edited to appologise for the crappy photo quality... Used my web cam)


Cheers,
Chris
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 2:40:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 5:17:23 AM EDT
AIM Surplus has 80's mfg. South African 303 for $7.50 per 50. I feed it to a #1 MK4 and a Navy Arms Jungle Carbine remake. The 303 is mild recoil, 308 remakes will get your attention.
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 9:48:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KurtsKustom:
Yes, they have a wandering zero. I don't care. These are nice pieces of history (.303), and make a good truck rifle down heah.



I am not convinced of the wandering zero problem being a truism. If you ask the folks who own them on the gun and knife Enfield forum, most if not all (myself included) have never experienced the phenomenon with thier examples. There are some who believe the story was propagated by British brass who didn't want to get stuck with a bolt-action rifle when every other country was moving to auto-loaders. While I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, I don't believe it is as ubiquitous as everyone assumes.

I believe these to be very handy rifles that would be a very usefull addition to anybody's truck rack.

Cheers,
Chris
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 10:24:21 AM EDT
No4- Agreed. I've owned two, and shot a few No5's and NONE performed as badly as rumored.

They were not in the accuracy class of say, a sandbagged MkII Bren, but more than accurate enough for a carbine length battle rifle..

Meplat-
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 11:55:40 AM EDT
LI Shooter, Whole Sale Guns and Ammo on Vets Highway (exit 57 on the LIE) has surplus .303. 300 rounds in bandoleers and stripper clips in a tin can (easily opens, not like the .308 that you need a torch and sawzall to get to) for 40 bucks 50 rounds are just 15 bucks if you want to try a small amout before you buy a lot).

Yes, this is the imfamous Burns Bros, but I've never had a problem with them in person in the store. Probably just a NY thing. They also have a few of the Jungle Carbines in the store if you want to check one out live before you buy.
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 7:05:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 7:23:20 PM EDT
Aimless, that rifle your throwing behind the truck seat could be worth quite a few bucks in a few years. If I could find them for $50 apiece I would buy a truck load of them.
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 7:26:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 8:19:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Vinnie:
LI Shooter, Whole Sale Guns and Ammo on Vets Highway (exit 57 on the LIE) has surplus .303. 300 rounds in bandoleers and stripper clips in a tin can (easily opens, not like the .308 that you need a torch and sawzall to get to) for 40 bucks 50 rounds are just 15 bucks if you want to try a small amout before you buy a lot).

Yes, this is the imfamous Burns Bros, but I've never had a problem with them in person in the store. Probably just a NY thing. They also have a few of the Jungle Carbines in the store if you want to check one out live before you buy.



Thanks! I'll have to go and check them out. I've been there a few times, and never had a problem with them either-but I've heard alot of bad stories about them.
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 9:03:22 PM EDT
had a friend i sold a good mark 4 to said he couldn't hit the side of a barn with. i took a crookneck squash out at 60ft ,then without him knowing it put the safety on told him to shoot the squash! he pulled the trigger and as he did so he squinched his eyes leaned forward like a thousand volts of electricity had gone through his body and nothing happened! he is such a perfect example of that wandering zero everybody talks about. every bodys body structure is so different , i explaned to him you need to site that baby hold it in tight to your shoulder put that cheek right up on that stock then squeese off that old trigger. if the recoil is too much to do this , then you need to caliber on down. or get a machine gun! it helped him shoot this 303..
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 9:07:22 PM EDT
i forgot to mention, like i know every body out there knows there is no better bolt action than the mauser, and none faster than the enfield 303,,
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 9:26:11 PM EDT
I'll eventualy get one,but I'll get SMLE Mk III
1st.(same cal .303)
Link Posted: 1/12/2002 9:56:49 PM EDT
i think iv'e got a smle mark 111 thats the one that has the peep site /300/600 flip site right? good rifle paid 100.00 for mine about right?
Link Posted: 1/13/2002 12:43:33 AM EDT
bobbyjack, the No. 1 Mk III has a notch rear sight on the barrel, and the stock runs all the way to the muzzle. I've tried 2 of the .308 rifles, and they ARE converted from .303 (you can tell because the .303 rd has a much larger case head than .308, and the ejector screw in the .308 rifles is no different-therefore all the rifle does is extract & drop the empty case onto the next rd).
Link Posted: 1/13/2002 6:50:19 AM EDT
I bought two JCs from SOG, got them last thursday. They are original ROF No 5s. They are pitted underneath the wood line anywhere the wooden stock touches the metal real tight. Bores look OK. Both are going to be reparked.
Link Posted: 1/13/2002 10:51:13 AM EDT

Guys,

Check out the Enfield collector's forum at
www.gunandknife.com/

There are a lot of very knowledgeable guys over there.

Cheers,
Chris
Link Posted: 1/13/2002 12:26:41 PM EDT
$100 great price for hi-power rifle
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