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Posted: 5/20/2002 2:12:56 PM EST
i have been wanting to buy a scope for my AR-15s, i have been leaning toward the afore mentioned Leapers....

anyone got  one of those or any Leapers product ??

how about scopes in general ya lyke'm or not ??
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:26:47 PM EST
I have the leapers 4x20 I think.  Took it to the range last thurs and I was NOT impressed with the range of the scope,but it was given to me as a gift so I attached, bore sighted, and shot with it, but as I said not impressed. It maybe the power of the scope because at 200 yards I could not see very well, therefore I'll be going to spend some more AR money this week on a higher power scope. Anyone have suggestions ?

just my .02
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:27:32 PM EST
Leapers=crap in my opinion, I have never had a good one, but that didn't stop me from buying three of there scopes....and then throwing them in the trash later.  

Link Posted: 5/20/2002 3:00:00 PM EST
Tempting, isn't it? A scope that doesn't cost much more than a carton of cigarettes.
The only reason I've never had one on one of my AR's is because of reading here, what pieces of crap they are.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 4:35:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 6:10:51 PM EST
I call them "Lepers" because I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole.  

I've had several of their products, from scope mounts to scopes, come with guns I buy at the gun shows.  The scope mounts were of horrible quality.  One Weaver rail was visibly warped.

The few scopes I've had worked OK on low recoiling guns, at short range.  The adjustments were functional at best.  They might be fine for an occasional plinker, but I would definitely not want to futz with them for any sort of serious purpose.  

If you want a cheap scope, buy at least a Swift.  They are not as common as Lepers, Trashco, or Bushmell, but they are out there, especially on the online auction sites.  But every Swift rifle scope I've seen or had has been made in Korea, featuring better than average glass and reliable if somewhat cheap-looking mechanicals.

If you're willing to possibly wave goodbye to $20 and absolutely refuse to spend any more to scope a gun, the Leapers scopes are in your ballpark.  Sometimes it doesn't make sense to buy anything better for some guns.

Edited to add,

If you insist on buying one, stick with the fixed powers.  There's a whole lot less that can go wrong with them.  I've had a couple of fixed powers and they worked about as well as could be expected.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 6:19:14 PM EST
Why would you put a pos optic on an expensive rifle?  It baffles me why people do this.  Save you money to buy a decent scope.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 6:31:21 PM EST
We have a leapers 6x on wife's CAR..   It's OK for same ranges as red dot stuff... buy not good in low light (20mm)  I prefer a cheap red dot..  In fact, I'm sorta nosing around the cheap red dot market these days...   A lot of them are the same system with different quality mounts...   Any input on them would be also appreciated...   I borrowed one for a day last year but can't remember what brand...

Which AR ya gonna put it on CJ?   I'd go with a "real riflescope" for anything over 100 yds..
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 7:57:21 PM EST
kinda sounds lyke the ol "tastes great.., less filling" scenario.., or the ongoing Wolf ammo tales.......

i was just wondering if any one bothered to check on them or read this: 3-9X28 Mini Scope
Model: SCP-392P, Magnification: 3X-9X, Objective Dia.: 28 mm, Tube Dia.: 34 mm, Field of View: 40'-14.5' @ 100 yards, Eye Relief: 3-2.5 inches, Exit Pupil: 9.1-3.1 mm, Click Value: 1/4 inch (1 click @ 100 yards), Length: 7.8 inches, Weight: 12.5 oz.

WORLDWIDE FIRST 3X-9X variable AR-15 scope with bullet drop compensator for 100 to 500 meters usage. Designed with the tightest tolerance and finest multi-coated clear optics that deliver reliable and consistent performance. Features an integrated mount base and a separate flat top adapter for AR-15/M-16 rifles. Can be used for rifles with carry handle or flat top Weaver rail.  REVOLUTIONARY power ring design for sensitive power changes and ease of use. The most versatile, desirable AR-15/M-16 variable scope for years to come.

does Leopold have a 28mm ??

if you tried just a bit harder you could be as insulting as my EX....!! & probaly just as ugly

hadn't made up my mind, just thot maybe i'd take 4 rifles out & 1,000 rnds of ammo & test it on all 4 which ever one it does best on that is where it stays......., whaddya thynk ?? it has a lyfetyme warranty & if i don't lyke it i can return it, big deal !! whoopeee...!
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:39:12 PM EST
I have that scope.  $75.00 at Tapco I think.

The lenses aren't great.  You can see the edge of the field of view warping when you look through it.  Paralax sucks.  If you change the position of your eye even the slightest bit, point of impact will change quite a bit.  You would still hit a pie plate at 100 yards, but it kind of kills the accuracy of the AR15.  if you are using it on a carry handle, the position to look through the scope is uncomfortably high so your position WILL change.  Eye relief is short - I haven't measured it.  Performance and comfort may be better on a flat top upper, but I haven't tried it.

I haven't had a chance to try anything beyond 100 yards with it.  I bought it as a cheap scope to aid my failing eyesight - but I haven't used it in over a year.

If you decide to try it anyway, let me know and I can sell you mine for $50.00 plus shipping and save you a few bucks.  I don't think I have the box any more, but I can look for it if you want it.

By the way, what's with the "y's"?
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 4:00:40 AM EST

thank you for your input, over the years i have had many scopes & some real bad ones, i just can not imagine it to be any worse than the ones i had 40 years ago......

i too just wanted it to aid my failing eyesight & do some pop can plinking at 100yds.

the "y"..., that is a long story, but has turned out to be an un breakable habit........
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 7:19:34 AM EST
on the other side, i didn't expect much from a $80 scope.  never really intend to use it much, the iron sights are just fine.  i must have one of the very few that actually works pretty well.  tightened up a screw in the tube.  use it on the carry handle.  actually has held the true pretty well even though put on and taken off a number of times.  used it last weekend for a while, was putting them right on the point.  mcole
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 8:47:14 AM EST
PLEASE save up your pennies and buy a quality scope.  I got a Leapers rubber armored 3-9x40, it worked but that is about it.  I would say I got my money out of it but I would MUCH rather have put that money toward the Leupold 3-10.5x40 Vari-x III I should have.  Fortunately my uncle had a Colt 4x20 he was not using and it took the place of the Leapers.  
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 11:36:13 AM EST


i too just wanted it to aid my failing eyesight & do some pop can plinking at 100yds.

If all you're ever going to do is plink with it, it's fine for that.  I can't "recommend" it, but you will probably get fair results with it.  I wouldn't give more than $40 for one, however... putting more money than that towards one of those pieces of junk is, well, a sin.  

Or, in CactusJack-ese, a "syn"  
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 1:29:37 PM EST
thank you for that input, i too am not expecting much from the scope, except for it's ability to quickly go from one AR to another, i only have 6 of them & my goal is to have 12 pre-bans by the end of the year, then after fooling around wyth that scope, if i get the bug i'll get the $95,999.99 super dooper whachmacallit, blacklite night vision day tyme spy master hooraa hot shot dippy doo !!!

trust me friend, i do NOT have to save pennies to buy a decent scope, i have them on my serious shootin rifles.., ya know, the ones ya shoot for miles wyth......

ken, ma friend,
thats all i want to do is plink & try it out on one or more of my ARs, i am not about to lay out $500 to $1,000 for a scope & not lyke it, & i am NOT about to remove a scope from one of my other rifles just to play around.....

now..., as to the $40 maybe we can convince ol Shadowblade to "donate" his unwanted scope for me to try out & if i lyke it i'll send him 40 bucks, if i don't lyke it, i'll return it.., sound good to you ??
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