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Posted: 12/11/2013 3:38:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/11/2013 3:42:41 PM EST by Billy_Dee]
A guy is trying to trade a Leader T2 Mk5 (V?)......to my uncle.

I don't know anything about them, here's what he claimed. 2000 were imported, Austrailian service rifles before the AUG, this one's #1911.

From the pic, it looks like it might take AR mags.

I can't figure out how to get the pic to my computer, it's in a text. (I'll go see if I can grab a pic from google or somewhere)


Looks like this one, with a 30rnd mag, and some kind of scope
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:07:56 PM EST
IIRC never a service rifle, they were in the running and lost.


Don't know the value, a quick google search show's prices all over the map. From autions that closed at $1500 awhile ago, to failed auctions trying to get $2500.


Master piece arms is producing a new version domestically with a few alterations, and the MSRP is $959...
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:49:39 PM EST
Thanks for the info Madcap
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:59:57 PM EST
While they are rare, I don't think they are that collectable, so I'd tell him to be cautious on the price.


Unless it's dirt cheap, then snag it up!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:07:59 PM EST
Right. I don't think the deal is all that great, after a little more info from my uncle. (dude wants to trade a Buell Blast, and that rifle for a BMW my uncle has been fixing up)

Plus he's not really the collector type. He's more the get something, beat on it for a while, and get rid of it type. (that rifle might not be a good one to need a part for)

He had ARs when we were younger (he's only 11yrs older than me), I told him to get another AR, because he wants another cool rifle. Something you wouldn't have to be so careful with.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:58:02 PM EST
ehhh yea, sounds like a "pass" to me. A lot of variables in all that.

Sounds like he could grab a walmart Colt 6920 for a grand and be better off.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 7:43:19 PM EST
has a cool triangular bolt but not a real popular platform. i think parts are known to fail as you see a lot of them needing parts or selling as parts guns.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:53:56 PM EST
Didn' the fal beat this in there selection process through testing? Still would be neat to have one in a collection. Not somthing to buy and use as parts are scarce for sure!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:10:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/11/2013 9:11:41 PM EST by Dawg180]
It is a pretty crude/simple design that was in the running against the AUG for the service rifle in Australia and lost out. I t uses AR-15 magazines and yes about 2,000 were imported. Real world fair market value is maybe $1200-$1300, and it is purely a collectors piece, I would not use one as a "serious" rifle.

I have owned one and it is very similar to an AR-180 internally, save for using a triangular bolt head. Ejection is pretty weak. Did I mention it looks quite crude in its construction?

I would pass on trading for a fixed up BMW....
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:51:02 PM EST
Owe this was long after what I was thinking. thanks for the info
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:41:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Did I mention it looks quite crude in its construction?

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To be fair, an FNC looks very crude as well but it's a $3000-8000 gun.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:13:55 AM EST
Thanks for the info guys, even if he doesn't get it, it's still nice to file all this away in my brain.

Link Posted: 12/12/2013 8:51:42 AM EST
The inventor of the rifle, Charles St George, worked at Barrett for some time when I was there. Hell of a nice guy. He has a new gun gun company now. He may have parts. Forget what his new venture is called.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 10:22:16 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 10:25:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Not collectable or interesting at all.


Send it to me for proper disposal reverse engineering.
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Link Posted: 12/12/2013 10:32:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 10:49:05 AM EST
It'll be interesting to see how the MPAR sells, and see what kind of market there is.
I still think a Ultimax-100 clone would be the baddest ass thing on the planet.


While the receivers are different, the MPAR being 180 style and split, and the -100 being one piece like a SAW they look somewhat similar.

I'd love to find a way to turn an MPAR into an ultamax-ish.



Wish someone would make a semi ultimax clone still
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 11:06:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Not collectable or interesting at all.


Send it to me for proper disposal.
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We aren't too far away from you, I might be able to get you hooked up with the guy if you want.

Doesn't look like the trade is gonna happen.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 11:42:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 2:45:46 PM EST
Don't buy orphans unless you're a collector.

(For what it's worth, this is the only reason why I don't own a Daewoo K2)
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 4:45:50 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/12/2013 5:18:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Generally my practical side agrees with you. I go through phases of thinking that every gun I own has to be part of an interconnected master plan for TEOTWAWKI.


But then I give in to a whim.

Sometimes there is something so sweet about owning and shooting a rare and/or oddball gun.
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That's why I run my Sterling Ar-180 at the local 2 gun fun match...

Nothing like people just stopping and looking "what is that".
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 10:21:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Generally my practical side agrees with you. I go through phases of thinking that every gun I own has to be part of an interconnected master plan for TEOTWAWKI.

But then I give in to a whim.

Sometimes there is something so sweet about owning and shooting a rare and/or oddball gun.
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We need a nice Stoner 69 clone, to include the inverted and belt fed parts
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 6:06:02 AM EST
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