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Posted: 10/14/2006 9:26:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2006 9:27:42 AM EST by byrdman77]
I am considering a 9mm Sub-2000 for the fun factor and that it will take glock mags.

As far as I can see It looks like the folding option would be gone with the mounting of any type of optic, if you can even mount anything to the top of the barrel half.(?)

What are some opinions on this inexpensive little carbine?

Also, what is real world pricing, I see the MSRP is $380, Is that about what they're going for?
Link Posted: 10/14/2006 9:47:08 AM EST
they are cool. I paid 250$ used for a 9mm glock model. fun to shoot optics aren't going to happen unless you do some major fab. you don't really need them I shoot it out to about 50 yards with no problems. the sight plane is a little bit too low for me. I really have to smash my face agianst the stock to get a look at them. if you can find one for 300$ or less used or 350$ or less new I would buy it.
Link Posted: 10/15/2006 5:18:22 AM EST
for the money I think they make a good product . I don't own one yet though .
I like the p32 they make and I also want the SU 16 .223 carbine .
Link Posted: 10/15/2006 11:51:56 AM EST
Keltec does make a scope mount: www.kel-tec.com/sub2000accessories.html

Link Posted: 10/15/2006 12:03:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2006 1:35:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2006 1:39:31 PM EST by Special-K]
I have been extremely happy with mine. The only problem I have had was damage caused by some extremely shitty aftermarket mags that damaged the mag catch. Kel-Tec replaced it quickly and with no questions asked - even after I explained it was my fault and offered to pay for it all.

Otherwise, it is minuite of pie plate at 100 yards with white box 9mm and has been very reliable. As for optics, IIRC, there is a laser site available that mounts under the barrel and still allows it to fold.

If you only want it for the fun factor, I think it will soundly fit the bill, and is capable of much more.

Breakdown and cleaning is pretty simple and straightforward.

One thing I did notice when shooting side by each with my bother (who also has one) is that the Winny White Box 9mm ammo is hotter than the UMC 9mm ammo. Both were 115 gr FMJ bought from Wally World. The UMC would severly dent some hardened aluminum plates, but the WWB would punch through it.


ETA: One problem I have with it is powder gasses coming from the ejection port. I'm a lefty, and sometimes I kind of blade myself to the target and hold the rifle at an angle. This puts my face a little close to the ejection port, causing some discomfort. It doesn't happen when I make sure I hold the rifle straight out front, and wouldn't be a problem for a rightie in any case.


-K
Link Posted: 10/16/2006 3:29:47 PM EST
I bought a slightly used GLOCK 9mm model in OD green for $200. Easily the best money I've spent on a firearm.
Light, compact, reliable, and uses cheap, readily available hi-cap mags.
Link Posted: 10/23/2006 12:56:24 AM EST
hi all,

Just bought mine a few days ago and tax and all out the door was $377. Kinda pricy, but after reading all about them, had to have one. Good factor is I can use my Glock 22 .40 magazines in them.

Good buy, just need to shoot it.

Thomas
Link Posted: 10/23/2006 1:58:27 PM EST
My friend has one in 40S&W. We found that you really need to hold it into your shoulder tight otherwise, it will fail to feed.

Also has a bit of recoil.
Link Posted: 10/23/2006 7:13:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By drobs:
My friend has one in 40S&W. We found that you really need to hold it into your shoulder tight otherwise, it will fail to feed.


Really?!?!?!

I can fire mine one handed like a pistol and it still runs 100%.
Link Posted: 10/24/2006 4:19:13 AM EST
Can be converted with hand tools to 357 SIG caliber by using their .40S&W bolt with tungsten inserts from AR15 buffers and by rechambering their 9mm barrel to .357 SIG with helical grooves in the chamber walls (a la Klin & Kedar Russian machine pistols) to slow extraction. Makes for a decent (albeit a bit harsh) 200-yd coat-pocket carbine to back up a Glock. The sights look hokie but work great.
Link Posted: 10/24/2006 6:21:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By drobs:
My friend has one in 40S&W. We found that you really need to hold it into your shoulder tight otherwise, it will fail to feed.


Really?!?!?!

I can fire mine one handed like a pistol and it still runs 100%.


Is yours 40 or 9?
Link Posted: 10/24/2006 9:10:10 PM EST
Front sight design and materials are horrible. Mfg. recommends against 9mm +P ammo.

Kel Tec, spend $20 more on the construction of your guns... It would go a long way.
Link Posted: 10/25/2006 4:56:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2006 2:32:44 PM EST
which of these mag choices in 9mm will lead to the best deals on high cap mags? thanks
Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226
Link Posted: 10/25/2006 6:26:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By meszues:
which of these mag choices in 9mm will lead to the best deals on high cap mags? thanks
Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226


cdnn was selling like new g17 mags for 11.99 and they came with a +2 floor plate for free.
Link Posted: 10/25/2006 8:28:14 PM EST
Did the sub-9's have the option of taking glock mags?
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 8:35:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By PFC_Kramer:

Originally Posted By meszues:
which of these mag choices in 9mm will lead to the best deals on high cap mags? thanks
Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226


cdnn was selling like new g17 mags for 11.99 and they came with a +2 floor plate for free.


Glock Mags are by far the cheapest cost wise. Also Glock makes a factory G18 32 rd mag.
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 6:29:39 PM EST
ok then guys , glock 17 or glock 19? which one i higher cap and what not
Link Posted: 10/26/2006 6:43:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By byrdman77:
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As far as I can see It looks like the folding option would be gone with the mounting of any type of optic, if you can even mount anything to the top of the barrel half.(?)

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FWIW, we have two ("his & hers"), have had them for years, and haven't had single problem out of either one.

The last one I bought was NIB and cost me less than $300 OTD at a gun show.


What kind of scope are you using wityh this mount? It looks great.
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 5:10:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/27/2006 12:53:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By HardShell:

Originally Posted By bear3351:
What kind of scope are you using wityh this mount? It looks great.


The red-dot sight is an older-model Tasco ProPoint. They are decent, but if the factory mount used rails instead of fixed, permanent rings I would be using something else.

FTR, that is the KT factory scope-mount, but I don't use it as designed/intended. As intended, it rotates around the barrel, out of the way for folding, and is spring-loaded to return upright when the carbine is unfolded. I didn't like the looseness and play of the OEM set-up, so I reversed it (to get just enough angle for folding clearance) and tightened the whole assembly securely to the barrel (instead of leaving it loose to rotate). I have to cant the carbine slightly to use the red-dot, but the position feels natural and works well for me... plus the set-up doesn't interfere at all with the irons. maybe not for everyone, but I like it.


Interesting. I like it.
Link Posted: 10/28/2006 8:12:07 PM EST
damn! not only was there no beef jerky at the gun show, there was no kel-tec of any kind to be found. maybe next time.. until then ill keep whorring the EE. Thanks for the help guys
Link Posted: 10/28/2006 8:36:33 PM EST
I have two Sub-9 carbines and love them. I did break a recoil spring assembly that Kel-Tec replaced with their excellent customer service.

I have the quick release scope mount on one. I should have gotten one installed on my other one back when they had some left.


Link Posted: 10/29/2006 12:53:09 PM EST
My Glock mag model likes to fire in bursts. I bought it new and have probably run only 500rds through it. Generally 3-4 times per mag it will run 2-3 round bursts. Other than that it's been a nice little shooter, never any other type of malfunction.
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