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Posted: 10/12/2006 4:13:48 PM EST
Stopped by the local seedy gun shop today to have them order me a K.31. It took me awhile to communicate the entire concept of them ordering A: something not a Mauser and B: the less expensive one on AIM. And then the FFL transfer fee was 50 dollars. I've seen 25 to 35 at the bigger stores which I avoid because of the crowds (in Marks Outdoors in AL you need a cow-catcher to walk through the aisles) but this seemed a little excessive, and definately ruined my "spend under 170 dollars" plan (not to mention the guy tried to tell me the fee was 75 dollars about 5 minutes after he gave me the first figure). So I made out with a rifle at 70 bucks more than I would have if I were old enough to have a C&R, but all things considered it is still a steal.

AIM, however, says that one has to be 21 to buy even rifle ammo. I'm about two years off, so who knows where the next cheapest place to order GP11 and Wolf Gold is? Until I'm something other than a starving college student I wont be able to horde 460 round battlepacks or reload or even look at a box of Norma, so this is of great importance, shooting wise.
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 5:14:32 PM EST
Transfer fee of $50 is highway robbery, no two ways about it.

Unfortunately, AIM or dansammo.com are probably your best bet for the cheapest 7.5x55 around. Maybe your parents or another adult near you could order it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 5:24:08 PM EST
Don't know if AIM supplies them, but Dan throws in 10 stipper clips at the about the same price as AIM.

I ordered a FAL kit from Dan's and had no problems with them.
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 5:46:02 PM EST
Sportsman's Guide has GP11 at the same price and you can use the Buyer's Club and/or coupon codes to knock a few bucks off.
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 6:11:43 PM EST
Which local seedy shop was it? Try the gun show this weeked at the BJCC for some ammo.
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 8:10:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Takadai:
Sportsman's Guide has GP11 at the same price and you can use the Buyer's Club and/or coupon codes to knock a few bucks off.


Thanks a million. 120 rd for 42 bucks! That takes a little of the bite out of the 50 dollar extortion tranfer fee. Where does one find one of these coupon codes?

AR-CIRE, The Gun Cellar in Hoover. They have good service about half the time (compared to Mark's, where you have to hire sherpas to find avaliable sales people), a pretty good selection, and generally ok prices. Although one time the guy behind the counter started talking about how the Democrats want black vans filled with government hit men to go around gunning down gun owners heycommunists socialists "progressives" bent on burning down compounds of religious groups they don't like and forcing people into a shitty retirement program based on respect for FDR's "legacy", but I honestly don't think they are competent enough to pull off something of that magnitude...
Link Posted: 10/12/2006 10:11:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2006 10:12:53 PM EST by Hoppy]

Originally Posted By ZeroedIn:

Originally Posted By Takadai:
Sportsman's Guide has GP11 at the same price and you can use the Buyer's Club and/or coupon codes to knock a few bucks off.


Thanks a million. 120 rd for 42 bucks! That takes a little of the bite out of the 50 dollar extortion tranfer fee. Where does one find one of these coupon codes?
Go to Google and type "Sportsmans Guide coupon code" and follow the links.



GP11 is available everywhere on the net (AIM, J&G, Sportsmans Guide, etc.) and sells for about the same ($4./10rd box or about $22./60rd brick).
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 12:53:27 AM EST
Dan's ammo also has good pricing on GP11

Dan's Ammo
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 8:21:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2006 8:22:35 AM EST by Matthew_Q]
If you want decent reloadable ammo, Wolf Gold is good. I ordered 200 rounds from AIM, and it was about $116 shipped.... most other places would have been $129 before shipping.

It's good ammo, not as accurate as GP11, but the brass is great for reloading.


And I agree about the transfer. $50?? That's rediculous. Get your C&R for $30, and then have all your C&R stuff shipped DIRECTLY TO YOU. You would have actually saved money going the C&R route on that ONE purchase.
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 11:12:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Get your C&R for $30, and then have all your C&R stuff shipped DIRECTLY TO YOU.

He is not old enough.
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 2:17:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Get your C&R for $30, and then have all your C&R stuff shipped DIRECTLY TO YOU.

He is not old enough.


Well, he needs to get older.
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 3:54:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Get your C&R for $30, and then have all your C&R stuff shipped DIRECTLY TO YOU.

He is not old enough.


Well, he needs to get older.


In a hurry.
Link Posted: 10/13/2006 4:10:13 PM EST
Seriously, get that C&R the day you turn 21. I've saved so much money spent so much money I don't have that it's not even funny.
Link Posted: 10/15/2006 3:51:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2006 3:53:27 PM EST by cityrepo61]
Why not go to the hometown forum and see if someone local to you has his/her C&R and would happen to just order an extra one that they could sell to you.

Yes I know a C&R can't be a dealer but they can sell or trade a "extra" or unwanted firearm.

Steve 'Cityrepo61'
Link Posted: 10/17/2006 4:13:00 AM EST
Sportman's guide does look like the best right now:

Club Membership=$30
GP11 480 rounds=$151.97 ($160)
Coupon codes (google for latest codes)~$10 off


$172 total, plus free shipping for being a member and $20 off coupons for future purchases for joining.

Without the membership and just using coupon codes, it will be around $168 anyway.
Link Posted: 10/18/2006 1:50:50 PM EST
Start reloading, seriously it's worth it for the K31 alone. Get the cheap Lee anniversary kit and a set of 7.5*55 dies for around $100 total. Get some Wolf to shoot then reload the cases, also .284 Winchester can be used. And the K31 is actually a .308 bore (technically .307) but any .308 bullets will work fine. And when you turn 21 by all means get that C&R. And even on non C&R guns find another FFL dealer. $50 bucks, sheesh.
Link Posted: 10/18/2006 2:07:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By MakemineanRRA:
Start reloading, seriously it's worth it for the K31 alone. Get the cheap Lee anniversary kit and a set of 7.5*55 dies for around $100 total. Get some Wolf to shoot then reload the cases, also .284 Winchester can be used. And the K31 is actually a .308 bore (technically .307) but any .308 bullets will work fine. And when you turn 21 by all means get that C&R. And even on non C&R guns find another FFL dealer. $50 bucks, sheesh.


I second this notion. It takes a little bit of an initial investment, but you can eventually get your money back on savings if you reload.

I have heard of people getting 15-20 loadings out of PRVI brass (which is what WOLF is). You can get 200 rounds of Wolf 7.5x55 for $116 shipped from AIM. Then you have enough brass to reload over 1000 shots!

Also Winchester .284 Win brass is reputed to be VERY good, and thicker than the PRVI brass.

Heck, to save some money, you could get a Lee hand press (although resizing the .284 win might give you a heck of a workout!) and save a few more bucks!
Link Posted: 10/18/2006 5:44:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:

I have heard of people getting 15-20 loadings out of PRVI brass (which is what WOLF is). You can get 200 rounds of Wolf 7.5x55 for $116 shipped from AIM. Then you have enough brass to reload over 1000 shots!



Is there anything wrong with just buying PRVI Partizan instead for $85/200 rounds?
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 2:28:13 AM EST
Yeah, finding the brass. There's only one source that I know of for the Prvi brass and they've been out for over a year. There suppossed to get some more in but don't know when. You can get Norma brass but it's so damn expensive it would be cheaper to buy the Wolf, shoot it and then reload. Or scrape up some Berdan primers and reload the GP11, knocking out the old primers using the hydraulic method.hinking.gif
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 2:47:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2006 2:49:38 AM EST by GlocksareGood]
No MakemineanRRA, I think what Hamel was saying is AIM carries Prvi Partizan ammo. It is $85 per 200 vs $105 for the Wolf gold. Is the Prvi Partizan brass just as good as the Wolf Gold brass for reloading? Hell I would bet that Prvi Partizan loaded the Wolf Gold stuff too.
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 3:46:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By GlocksareGood:
No MakemineanRRA, I think what Hamel was saying is AIM carries Prvi Partizan ammo. It is $85 per 200 vs $105 for the Wolf gold. Is the Prvi Partizan brass just as good as the Wolf Gold brass for reloading? Hell I would bet that Prvi Partizan loaded the Wolf Gold stuff too.


That's what I meant.

Unless the Wolf gold is match grade or the brass is better, the PRVI rounds look to be the better deal.
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 5:23:49 PM EST
Whoops! Sorry, my bad Hamel. Just went to Aim, that ain't a bad price for loaded SP ammo. Heck, nearly as cheap as the Surplus GP11. And yes, it's the exact same stuff. Your paying the extra $20 bucks for the prettier "Wolf" packaging. Prvi makes all of the Wolf brass ammo. I think I'm gonna get some, When I could find 7.5 Prvi brass I was paying $60 for 200 cases. $85 for 200 loaded ain't bad at all, and then you got brass to use again!BTW to the reloaders: 150grSST Hornady, 39gr IMR4064 will get you cloverleafs at 100yards.
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 9:11:21 PM EST
Thanks everybody. The rifle came in today, and the stock was much much better than I expected. Barrel is nice and shiney, rifling very well defined. The stripper clips I ordered contained two more than I paid for, so it all worked out great.

Ammo is set to arive on Monday.

I have a feeling this is going to work out real nice.

The 1500 yard sight setting does seem a tad optimistic, though:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7759/stuff059tm0.jpg
Link Posted: 10/19/2006 10:34:07 PM EST
i would think 1500m harassing fire is entirely possible with a company of K.31s. "optimistic" sights are 1000m on a pistol and 2000m on an M91/30.
Link Posted: 10/20/2006 5:18:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2006 5:21:19 AM EST by Hamel]

Originally Posted By MakemineanRRA:
Whoops! Sorry, my bad Hamel. Just went to Aim, that ain't a bad price for loaded SP ammo. Heck, nearly as cheap as the Surplus GP11. And yes, it's the exact same stuff. Your paying the extra $20 bucks for the prettier "Wolf" packaging. Prvi makes all of the Wolf brass ammo. I think I'm gonna get some, When I could find 7.5 Prvi brass I was paying $60 for 200 cases. $85 for 200 loaded ain't bad at all, and then you got brass to use again!
BTW to the reloaders: 150grSST Hornady, 39gr IMR4064 will get you cloverleafs at 100yards.


Not a problem. I looking to get into relading for the 7.5 Swiss also since I just ordered 4 K31 from AIM (yes 4, my wife is going to be pissed-I'm blaming Painless and his review).

Link Posted: 10/20/2006 5:19:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2006 5:21:44 AM EST by Hamel]

Originally Posted By bradleyc:
i would think 1500m harassing fire is entirely possible with a company of K.31s. "optimistic" sights are 1000m on a pistol and 2000m on an M91/30.


Sounds about right. Lot of mountains in Switzerland and I'm guessing there is a good line of sight for miles in most places.
Link Posted: 10/20/2006 6:18:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hamel:

Not a problem. I looking to get into relading for the 7.5 Swiss also since I just ordered 4 K31 from AIM (yes 4, my wife is going to be pissed-I'm blaming Painless and his review).



Pile it on! I can take it.

As long as I don't ever run into your wife.
Link Posted: 10/20/2006 1:46:51 PM EST
+1 for OP and his K31 review. After reading that I made my first C&R purchase a K31. Now I just have to get some ammo and actually take it out of the box.

Link Posted: 10/20/2006 6:39:17 PM EST
Ammunitiontogo has 480 rounds of 7.5 Swiss for $167.70 shipping, to my zip code anyway (SE WA state).

jm
Link Posted: 10/22/2006 8:21:37 AM EST
Went ahead and ordered 200rds of the Prvi, yeehaw, get to shoot it up and then reload it. Hamel, especially with having 4 K31's you have no excuse not to reload. Just get one of Lee's Anniversary kits for around $75, equipment works fine for the weekend shooter type. If you want to reload 100's or 1,000's a week then get the a progressive. BTW The Lee dies are cheap too and work fine but I would buy a Redding sizing die for the 7.5swiss. It is dimensionally made for the K31 while the Lee and others are made for the 1911 chamber, which is larger. My Lee FLS die works but I have to slam the bolt harder than usual to chamber the cases. Also pay an extra $8 bucks and get the Lee Factory Crimp die, it does help with overall accuracy on my loads.

BTW, which K31's did you order? I only have one walnut and have been thinking about getting another one, or two.
Link Posted: 10/31/2006 6:49:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/31/2006 11:53:28 AM EST by Hamel]
I picked up beech stocked K31 from Aim. Just received them last week.

As expected, the metal is superb, but the wood is only fair. I'm going to try and refinish one of the stocks (using old painless website as a reference)

I will be reloading but want to know which dies are the best. I heard Redding (like you mentioned) was good but I priced them and they are a bit pricey.

Edit for grammer/spelling
Link Posted: 10/31/2006 7:09:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZeroedIn:
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The 1500 yard sight setting does seem a tad optimistic, though:

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Blasphemy! You must not understand the awe inspiring accuracy of this incredible rifle.
Link Posted: 10/31/2006 11:34:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By ZeroedIn:
<snip>.

The 1500 yard sight setting does seem a tad optimistic, though:

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Blasphemy! You must not understand the awe inspiring accuracy of this incredible rifle.


And Russian dogma: "If you put enough rounds down range, some will finally hit something."

Link Posted: 10/31/2006 1:39:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By ZeroedIn:
<snip>.

The 1500 yard sight setting does seem a tad optimistic, though:

<snip>


Blasphemy! You must not understand the awe inspiring accuracy of this incredible rifle.


And Russian dogma: "If you put enough rounds down range, some will finally hit something."



I nearly disproved that Russian dogma with an M91/30 once. It was a rebuild with missmatched serial numbers. Darn thing couldn't hit a target the size of a television screen from 150 yards away no matter how many rounds I sent downrange. If it weren't for the fact that I at least hit dirt, I would have completely disproved the dogma.
Link Posted: 10/31/2006 6:35:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hamel:
I picked up beech stocked K31 from Aim. Just received them last week.

As expected, the metal is superb, but the wood is only fair. I'm going to try and refinish one of the stocks (using old painless website as a reference)

I will be reloading but want to know which dies are the best. I heard Redding (like you mentioned) was good but I priced them and they are a bit pricey.

Edit for grammer/spelling



I have just started working up loads for this round. I'm using Graff brass and Lee dies (the full set with the crimp die). So far everything is working fine. As most of my shooting is plinking economy is as important as accuracy. I started with Winchester 147gr FMJBT and developed a load that is pretty close to GP11. I am now evaluating a load using Remington 165's that's looking good. IMR4064 and 4895 is what I'm using for powder with 4895 starting to look like the winner.
Link Posted: 11/2/2006 7:44:00 AM EST
My Aim K31 and Prvi ammo should arrive tomorrow. his
I ran across an interesting article on Surplus Rifle that could prove helpful for the reloaders here.

Surplus Rifle Article

Talks about different chamber sizes for Swiss guns and the fact that a lot of K31 reloading problems can be traced back to the dies. He doesnt say which dies are a problem but I suspect he is talking about RCBS or Lee. I have a friend who just received his RCBS dies so we will run the test tomorrow. I would prefer the RCBS dies but will by the Reddings if RCBS is overworking the brass.

Bob
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